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These bodies are not meant t o last forever. Mom wants to live, from the sounds of it.Falling is no good, not matter how soft it is. Blood tests were done, how about urine test? Presumably no UTI there.Get her whatever she want to eat.. a little canot hurt.
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Hope the antibiotics work!
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I'm sorry for your suffering.
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She's completely asymptomatic. So we're trying in house antibiotics first.
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Babalou, thanks for the update. Do you think she should be in the hospital now? She could get x-rays daily and perhaps more treatment, such as respiratory treatment to clear her airways, if that's not being given now.

Has any of the fluid from the effusion been drained off?

Sounds like this is a difficult waiting time for your family; I'm hoping it gets better though, for everyone involved.
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So, they did the followup Xray yesterday to check on the pneumonia; both the pneumonia and the pleural effusion are worse, according to the report. The NH is going to try another round of two oral antibiotics. If these don't work, my brother wants her transported to the hospital for further treatment.
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Sandwich, thanks for posting this. Mom is still recuperating from the pneumonia, but still has quite an appetite. She has not gone into the "steep decline " phase that was predicted a year ago by her pulmonologist. I'm hoping that when the decline you describe in your mother occurs in mine, my brother will be in agreement with me. My good thoughts go with you and your mom on this journey.
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Hospice was recommended at my last care conference for mom, so I approved and the facility staff had the doctor put the order in. It was taken care of before our 30 minute meeting was over.

The decision was made based on the fact that mom has lost a ton of weight in a short period of time, has almost zero appetite, her pressure sores are not healing, and her cognitive ability is declining.

I have found the hospice team to be amazing. Their goal is to prevent hospitalization and to make every day a good day (as possible) until the end.

They are able to provide better/stronger pain management a whole lot faster than regular facility staff. They give her an extra bath and wash her hair each week. Music therapy comes, pastoral care comes. They can have volunteers come to sit & visit with mom. There's a social worker for me to talk to.

Don't wait too long to call in hospice because they are a great anxiety reducer for the whole family, not just the patient.
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With regard to hospice, my brother is of the opinion that when mom is bed bound and can no longer express her wants and needs, that's when we do hospice.
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I agree. My poor mil had two amputations since January (bed sores and ms related) and had gone through lots of confusion and just gets weaker and weaker. It's paiful to watch. She's on hospice care and is on large amounts of morphine. I feel for her. I wish there was a way to put her out of her misery. My FIL refuses to let her go and is obsessed with finding the next thing that will save her life. It's a horrible thing, getting older.
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Thanks to you all, it so helps to come here and vent!

CM, you hit the nail on the head. My sil so wants to "fix" this, in so fsr as things are fixable at this stage. She is our eyes and ears because she is able (and enjoys) to visit my mom frequently. So it's not like she's sitting back being an armchair quarterback. But it gets wearing.
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Babalou, I'm sure you're perfectly well able to understand as much as you need to about the physiology going down :) - but you're right; and in any case suppose the meds are putting your mother's systems under strain, what then? Anyone have a better idea? It's that unpleasant situation of not having any very attractive choices.

Fingers crossed that by the time they get back there'll be an improvement and SIL can stop chewing her fingernails and stressing you out in the process. I know she means well, but how is she helping? Wish you a nice calm weekend with your mother beginning to feel better.
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You have done so much and so well, take solace in knowing you have done all you can. Even through her dementia she knows she is loved. Be well.
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Sitting on the hands can get very uncomfortable. I wish you the strength to do it!
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Spent all day with Mom today, watching the care she gets, which is very good. No, we are not on Hospice. Don't ask.

I went up today because my SIL and brother called me last night...Mom was wiped out, sil says that the klonopin is too much, yada, yada, yada. She's got an MBA, I've got a professional degree in psychology and my brother is an Engineer. I.e., we're not doctors or nurses. I watched all day. I called my brother and said "I'm not interfering any more. She's wiped because she had pneumonia" (opinion of all the med professionals there).

Brother and sil are going away till Tuesday, so I need to be on call and visit again over the weekend and probably Monday. I'm going to try really hard to sit on my hands a bit.
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This life that we live is precious but I am seen many things in my 7 years as a caregiver. Quality of life is important. What good is quantity? This dementia thing is terrible and it affects everyone in one way or the other. I have a good friend who has been on Hospice for 3 years and the can be a good support. Hospice is for someone with a terminal diagnosis. I think that a caregiver need to research all the options and do what they believe is best. God is the one in charge.
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Maybe she just suddenly ran out of steam, Babalou? It can happen when you're under the weather, you just go completely collapsed and need to lie down, can't it. Good to hear she had a bit of an appetite back, though, and good that there are things she's enjoying. Hugs.
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Mom was dressed and in her wheelchair today. Smiled at pictures of greatgrandson. Ate a piece of brownie, asked for water.

When lunch came, I needed to feed her some soup. She was able to manage picking up a tune sandwich alone, ate a bit. She was able to handle the spoon for the cup of ice cream. Then, got an awful look on her face, wanted to be put to bed. SIL, who visited later, said that apparently she'd asked for Tylenol for a headache. Was smiling again later when grandson came to visit. Ate more ice cream that SIL brought. So far, she's improving, slowly but steadily.
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Give up. Oh brother. Or rather oh sister in law. Accepting the inevitable + not subjecting your mother to onerous and futile intervention vs "giving up" - compare and contrast...

Try not to thump her, won't you :) And meanwhile I'm glad your mother is feeling more comfortable. Eyes on the prize. Hugs.
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The levaquin seems to be working and mom is a bit more alert, smiling. We're going to sign up for Hospice on Monday,more care for her of the right kind. If they hadn't had to put in an iv for fluids to counteract the bad effects of the levaquin on her kidneys, i would have refused it. No more needles after this if i can help it.

Meanwhile, my sister in law, who i love and who visits mom almost everyday says says "well if you guys want to give up...." I'm standing firm on this. Thanks all of you, for travelling with me.
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(((hugs))) Babalou I remember last year when I first had to put my Mom in the nursing home you were one of the first people on this site to ease my mind about different issues. My Mom is now in a happier place in heaven.

I wish you and your Mom comfort and peace.
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Babalou - how is your mum? Pneumonia can knock a vulnerable senior down pretty hard. (((((hugs)))))
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Thanks, CM!
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Sleep well, Babalou, and I'll wish for better news in the morning. Your mother will sleep better, too, for not being in hospital. Not nice places for anyone to be. Hugs.
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I just re-read this whole thread. I'm so glad to have it as documentation. I'd forgotten mom had pneumonia as recently as December. Well, she has a really bad case of it. Zithromax in didn't work;they've started her on Levaquin, which is somewhat risky for someone of her age and condition. We've signed on for Comfort Care, which at the moment means no taking her to the hospital for this pneumonia and a standing order for morphine if she needs it. Going to sleep now.
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Goodness, babalou. Your mother has nine lives. It sounds like there is almost no quality, so I understand completely what you said. Sometimes I think we should call keeping people alive when quality of life is gone "elder torture." Is she still enjoying life at all?
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No BM in three days. Wow call me when it's three weeks and you have done nothing about it.
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Hugs Babalou. I agree, think happy and relaxing thoughts.
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Ah lovely! You must have been delighted to hear the news. I expect you'd been on tenterhooks, hadn't you?
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Sometimes my brother and just Crack up over what the NH calls with. I'm supposed to get medical calls, he gets falls and emergencies. So last week, they called to tell me that mom hadn't "gone" in several days but they gave me milk of magnesia and she went! Yay.

Yesterday they called my brother to say they were hearing rales in the bottom of her left lung ( the god one). Tonight she's on antibiotics for pneumonia again. Ah well, let's think good thoughts!
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