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Hey, Lisa! How are you holding up? I'm sorry you're missing the long weekend at the cabin with family, but I'm impressed at your resolve to see this thing through to the end. I guess its really not over until she's got a place of her own, kind of like getting an evil genie back in a bottle and capping it. Your summer is going to be great though!
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I bet your nephew is sorry he decided to help her-well you had two years of it and he must have known about her drama unless he thought the problem was you-arn't you glad you are on the other side of it now-you have a great husband to offer to handle the rest of it.
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I've been sitting here trying to find my way around this site to read everyone's stories. My niece wasn't lying bout my computer skills. Gonna figure out this give a hug, Guess the nephew is really angry. I've left messages for him all day. She must be getting released tomorrow, because he needs her oxygen and Meds. I can imagine the arguing with his wife about mom going to his house. His stepdaughter is terrified of mom. She a few years older now so maybe she will do ok. I'm thinking he may have talked nursing home to keep her till Saturday. That would be the sensible thing to do. But not my problem. We will miss out at the memorial get together at green river this year. Dougs sister owns a piece of land there that they built a cabin on. They let us all bring our campers and we have so much fun every summer. Only made it there 3 times last year. I am sooo looking forward to this summer. This will be the last one we miss. Doug wants me to go and let him handle things this weekend. No way. I need to see this thru to the end. I have to. Then on Sunday gonna scrub it all down. Already have my colors I want in there. And um mm, erectile dysfunction. Yep, I'm starting to learn my way around the site. Heeheehee. Hope all my besties have a peaceful and blessed evening. Love and hugs to all, lisa
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Caller ID was a great invention-it even comes up on our TV since I bundled things-I had made the suggestion of turning down the answering machine and maybe delating the messages because that is what I had to do with the husband. He had asked our son to get a tapr recorder for him to document family history but he let slip he wanted to get me on tape being mean to him and after he died the rehab packed up his things and the tape recorder was not included but I think maybe the social worker had heard his tirades about me and threw it out-I was going to let my son listen to it but was not going to listen to it myself but never had to worry about since it was gone.
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Lisa: I'm so glad to hear you are laughing......and breathing!!!!! Check to see if you can have her number blocked. You need to wait until she gets into her apartment and gets her own phone. I'm assuming, although you didn't make it clear, that you have caller ID, so the first time she calls you from her new home phone, you've got her number and you can talk to your service provider. Actually, you can call them in advance and see if blocking her number is a possibility.

I don't think she will be walking to other locations to find a phone to call you from. If she does and you answer the phone, just tell her that you do not want to talk to her and hang up. It might be good to keep a log of the number of times she calls.

I agree that if Doug has numerous clients, then it's not really practical to change the home phone number. Let's find another way to skin this cat....ouch, that hurt, but you get what I'm saying. There has to be a way.

I hope Beth gets a good laugh out of this when you've explained it to her.

Keep us posted. It'd never dull and we love you.

Cattails.
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I guess the easiest thing to look into would be number blocking on your cell phones. But, the only thing about blocking her number from calling you, is that she might start calling from other numbers. A new home, unlisted phone number would be a great thing. I totally get how you feel about changing Doug's work number if he's had it for 22 years. That just doesn't seem like a good idea from a business point of view. I think she'll stop calling after a while, don't you? It puts her at a disadvantage to be the one being shot down by the calls going unanswered, and she won't like that. She definitely doesn't have the upper hand in this and it must be driving her insane. There are places that she can rent furniture if she has none. I don't think they're insanely expensive. Just a thought. I'm still shaking my head that she thinks you should give her furniture. Holy moly. I'm glad you're laughing and I hope Beth sees the humor in it tonight. Dough saying "bite me" and walking off is hysterical.
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Hahahahaha, I'm breathing cat. I guess the part I don't know what to do with the phone and changing the number is dougs business clients. Good night, we would have to kill a tree to send out notices or maybe his secratary could send one massive e-mail. We've had the same # for 22 years. You would be surprised how many clients call our home. Doug seems to think it will taper off. Myself and the girls can definitely change our cell #. he's against changing anything till we see how bad it is. We are already laughing. She had the nursing rehab send Doug a letter personally inviting him to plan her care with the physical therapy. Jen and I laughed so hard we dam near peed ourselves. Every time we start teasing him he says bite me and goes to the man cave. Our whole married life she would call and tell him happy birthday, merry Xmas, happy fathers day, etc. Of course in her mind she thought it was hurting me. So we are having fun with this one. Beths in a snit because we are teasing him. She offered to go with him and we were rolling. She docent really get it and she's mad at us, so Jen and I are staying up till she gets home to explain it to her. Then hopefully she will get in on the fun.
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Lisa: I'm not sure what it is you don't know how to do. You've handled so much more than this and worse than this for a very long time.

Does your Nephew have $20.00 for the moving van? He might also be required to have a credit card. If these are problems for him, he may rather just make a number of trips rather than have to deal with your mom and the U-Haul company. Just wondering if this could be holding him up.

Didn't you have some nieces that were going to help move your mom's stuff at one time? Can they be contacted and asked to help your nephew.

Do you have caller ID? If not, call the phone company and have it added asap. It can be done right away. If you have it, then you know when your mom is calling and you can just let it ring.

Maybe I suffer from a mental problem, but I would be laughing my ass off that she is calling and leaving hateful messages. To hell with her. She can't do anything to you.

The furniture belongs to you, so the answer is NO. She can pitch a fit and fall in it, but the answer is still NO. Maybe nephew can take her to Wally World, Costco, or wherever for a chair or chest. Is her new abode furnished? Either way, not your problem. She can skip on line shopping and put her money towards what she needs. It's got nothing to do with you.

I suggested some time back that you change your phone number. Others have mentioned it too. I seriously think you will need to do that once she gets moved. She's going to get pissed off from time to time and she will call you, especially when she finds some of her photos missing. Maybe you can all, including Doug's office, check with your phone providers and see if you can block her phone number from calling your home. I don't know if that possible, but it would be an easy solution.

I also would suggest that you change the locks on your house or add additional security locks. If you have a home alarm system, change the code.

Here's the good news. She is not under your roof anymore. She can't come and bang on your bedroom door in the middle of the night anymore. And there are solutions to her nasty phone habits.

My heart goes out to you, but you will get through this week. You keep posting and letting us know what's going on. Remember, Breath, hahahahahaha, breath, hahahaha.

Love and Hugs, Cattails
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If everyone has cell phones then unplug the house phones until this is over. Let your inlaws know to call Doug at the office or on the cell. Quiet only lasts for a short time but at least you had a nice weekend :) Hang in there, only a few more days.
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Good idea Austin. Jen even suggested letting her leave her angry messages on the service. Then if it gets out of control, see if our provider can somehow give us a copy of messages. Turning phones down isn't an option. Always need them for Beth in case her transportation gets messed up and it does often. Plus my in laws. There health hasn't been the best. Nothing life threatening, but we are only a mile from them if they need us. My hands are tied. Only 5 more nights I have to worry bout work and getting up. I just don't know how to do this.
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Elisa just let the phone ring off the hook-she will get tired of that after a while -hang in there now all she can do push buttons-if you have called ID let it get your calls and turn down the volume that is what I did with my husband while in rehab -then usually delated the calls because I knew the script.
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Ughh...let the arguing begin. First phone call an hour ago. The nephew angry that I won't go to the apt to set it up. He already knew this. I've told him repeatedly to set up the u- haul for 19.95 and it would move her things in one trip. She can very well afford it. Now she's wanting furniture out of our house that she seems to think we have no use for. She said shell sign a piece of paper that we get it back when she dies. Hello???? Doug has gotten old furniture over the years and spends months at a time restoring them. We have some beautiful pieces. So no mother, what we don't need will go to Jennifer and Chris when they get their home. We knew it was coming. Doug docent know any of this yet. I'll see how it goes, but we just may have to change our home and mobile numbers. But then that leaves dougs work phones. The knot in my stomach seems to be winding up again. Nephew will be here Friday night to start getting her clothes. That will take at least 3 trips in his van.then he will move all the rest Sunday. It's almost over. While I've sat here typing the phone has rang 3 more times. It's happening. She's pissed. She's had time to work up a good mad. Jen told me just keep thinking, " life is good again"
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They gave dad a med that raises the blood pressure a little, but he's actually getting dialysis today. Don't know if he'll make it through or not. He's still holding on! Tough guy my father is. Judy . . . a scorpion????? They are creepy, and sneaky too!!!! They say if you put some pee on it really helps. It definitely works on other bites; I've done it ;"). I hope it heals quickly (try the pee!).

Everyone seems to be a bit better. It's good to see such soothing posts for a change. Off to be with dad. Love to all.
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Scorpion???? Oh lord, they'd have to throw me in icu. I have a bug phobia. I run from large flys. And cat, is that Washington DC? My favorite place in the world. Went there for my 25th anniversary. Everyone thought we were nuts. Go on a cruise. Not us. History buffs here. There 5 days and still didn't see it all. Well, off to work. 6 more days! Off tomorrow for elections. Our schools are used for voting. Yea!!!
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Lisa: Your day seems like a relaxing dream. How lovely and how deserved. Life is good.

JudymW: My poor angel: Damn those nasty scorpions. Don't have em in Washington. Come live by me!!!!

Endo: Take care and God Bless.

How's our Rebecca doing?

Love to all, Cattails
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Lisa, sounds like you had a great day. Good. You've needed great days for a long time now. Your posts make me smile, knowing how bumpy your road to these great days has been.
Endofmyrope, you inspire me with how forgiving you are. Truly. My jaw was hanging open when I read how your siblings reacted to you.
As for me.. a dang scorpion stung my foot last night and I'm still all tingles and a bit pukey. Icing my toe. Shopping at a flea market with Lisa and SuperDoug sounds like much more fun than icing my fat foot. It could be worse though.. my friend got stung on her butt when she sat down on her bed a few weeks ago! (And it gave me a good excuse to stay home from Mom's today. I'd intended on going over there but I'd rather get stung by scorpions :)
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I had a nice day today. Doug and I went to the flea market today with Jen and Chris. Then we went with them to see a house at their 3:30 appt. The man who owned it was building it slowly and had a mobile home sitting on the property he lived in while building. He suffered from a disease and died at 42 years old a couple of years ago. The house is not completed. But the kitchen is beautiful. All the materials to finish it are there. It's just a matter of finishing the work. It sits on 11 acres with a pond. We all fell in love with it. They are pre approved for their loan but don't know how the house not being finished will affect that. It was so nice being out and not having to worry about coming home to mayhem. I hope everyone's day has been as nice as mine. End of, I'm sure you are right. Your father knows you given your all. We are all here for you. You and your family are still in my prayers.
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It was all I had to give him, and the only thing he asked for. They will have to live with their choices. He has always worn rose colored glasses, and I feel he totally believes we are all on the page of being together. That's good enough for me. It's about him now . . . Not us. Generosity and forgiveness come from deep in our souls. We are either capable of it or not. It feels so good to forgive . . . for real. Dad at least knows I have given my all for him. LOVE
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End of you took the high road and tried to fullfill his request and am so sorry they blew you off but I think it made him very happy for what you did.
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"And in the end the love you make is equal to the love you take"

~ John Lennon

This is not about romantic love. It is about a higher form of love. The truth is that there is only one single truth in life. It all boils down to the one and only element be all desire, and that is LOVE. The rest despite how hurtful it may be is not real. It is surface negativity to mask our pain, and each and every one of is suffering. Our abusive parents, family members, friends and strangers are carrying deep old pain. We cling to it like armor fearing if we let lt down we will die. Some of us don't know how to dig our ways out of our own hells. It takes courage and work. In times of deep crisis we can either hang on for dear life to out angers, and grudges in order to deal with guilt, hurt and the need to blame others. That . . . That is the very time we must rise up to our higher selves, and forgive everything. It's called unconditional love; a term most of us think we have but in truth are unable to truly give. My father after spending his entire life doing nothing but giving to his whole family has for the first time for one thing. He asked that we all make up, and be a loving family. In front of he, and the rest of my very hateful family I apologized for any pain I have ever brought them. I sincerely with all my heart in front of dad asked them if we could start fresh from this moment to make a clean start forgiving everything hurtful we have brought to each other. They waved it off, and continued to point their fingers at me. I told them this is not unconditional; not what dad has requested. Still, despite their cold words of saying they have nothing to forgive in completely insincerity I told them I would try till my dying day. I will not see them when dad dies but I will have my therapist call them twice a month asking them to please come in to honor dads last, and only wish. I told them how much I love them, and how this is all I also ever wanted; just love between us all. They each said they would not come to any meetings in front of dad, but I refused to bite on any crap. My father was elated, and so please that I reached out right there in front of him. He wants to believe this so much, and despite my belief that they will never give this I feel I at least honored his wishes, and he knows it for real. Yes my friends, the one and only truth in this cruel world we live in is LOVE . . . Period. Thank you all for helping me get through these last hellish years. I know I didn't get to know you as much as you all did but I was all wrapped in a horrible situation, and caring for him 24/7. I lived here with him, and had to ward off a family that constantly attacked me. I will continue to stay in touch when he's gone to help in any way I can. LOVE to all you ANGELS. YOU are all EXTRAORDINARY HUMAN BEINGS.
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This thread is what this sight is all about... love, support, hugs, encourgement, open mindedness, hearing progress by the original poster, and Lisa you having the courage to share the pain.... so many of us had this kind of childhood, myself included... but I like what Austin said, the person she became had nothing to do with how she was raised... so many of us have transcended the abuse, went on to be very loving and caring people... and God made sure we all got to cross paths, and I had two invisible friends growing up... Weedy and Kunkle.... I'm sure they were my saviours on more than one occasion.... so here we are, grown ups, and loving and supporting like minded folks... so much to be grateful for.... thank you all, it 's very uplifting to come here and read.... hugs to all of you...
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Lisa, Bless you and thanks for sharing. It is sad and you just have to be with those feelings. It's the beginning of a new process. Thanks for thinking of your niece and nephew, that's so like you. Photos and keepsakes will mean a great deal to them.

Austin and Rebecca, I hope God gives your hearts comfort.

Endof: Hoping the best for your father.

Love to all, Cattails
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We are here for you and will continue to be here.
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Lisa, I think you have done the right thing by everyone. You and I must have been born as our mother's mental illnesses started becoming evident.I just remember watching her in confused horror at times . It does not make it easier on any of us, including you Austin, but we are stronger and kinder women as a result. I am grateful to all of you for adding to the love and strength we did not receive from our mothers but still need.
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Oh, Lisa. I am so sorry you've had to live with this. And Austin, too. And so many others who have lived similar stories. Lives, not just stories. My heart goes out to you. And my gratitude to you for sharing the memories, as well as for the ways you have come through it. Your are an extraordinary person. And I am so so glad that woman is put of your house.
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Elisa you are very strong and thoughful of other family members giving them things they would want-thinking back there were very few pictures of me taken also-I do have two one of me getting ready for the bus and one of my father taken when he was in the army in Japan other than those I guess my mother has of my sister and brothers-I will probably never get any of them-I am ok with her not ever liking me-it is what it is and I accept that-I never got hugs from her and usually not even a good night when growing up-I remember calling myself Cinderella-but all that worked for good because I learned to be kind to others along the way.
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So we had a very productive day today. Room packed and on the pallet in the garage. All that's in the room is the dresser oxygen tanks and her tv and computer. My niece and her 3 teenagers sure came thru for me. I took picture earlier this week of all her jewelry so she can't come back and say any was stolen. I got a phone call from the nephew this morning about packing the room. Better not be anything missing.I'm sorry aunt Lisa but I promised her I would deliver the message. Well, there will be things missing. I'm keeping the cross that was on my brothers casket. His first and only bank account book. He opened that account when he was paid his first 2$ washing cars at the car lot on the corner. 4 days later he walked me to the bank with him and withdrew 1$ and took me for an ice cream at haywoods ice cream parlor. That was the very last time he was able to leave the house on his own before he was hospitalized for his brain tumor. I went thru the pictures and gave my great nieces pictures of their grandmother. I kept the ones to hold for them till they are older and have their own home. Then I'll have them framed. I kept pictures of my other sister, who mom ripped the rosary beads out of her hands in the casket. I say ripped out because she jerked the rosary so hard we had to get the funeral directer in ther to replace her hands correctly. I took all the pictures of her except a few. My niece and nephew deserve those. I also took the rosary. My niece will get that. I'm thinking some might think it's wrong to keep these things and I should wait till her death. But I know they will disappear. She will burn them before any one of her grandchildren get them. This has been the first time I've looked thru the albums in years. Looking thru albums of your childhood should bring back happy memories. And there were a couple but mostly such sadness. I counted only 11 pictures of myself. The other 3 had pictures of their communion. She never allowed me to make my first communion. When I asked why years later? Because I was born a bastard. This day has brought me so much sadness. My mind won't quit racing. Just keep thinking why??? Pics of their birthday parties? None of mine. Because I only remember having 2 birthday parties my whole life. If she despised my existence that badly, why didn't she just give me away at birth. But I just tell myself because I wouldn't have met my soulmate. We were meant to be right here where we are right now. Thanks for listening my friends.
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Thank you guys. He is still hanging in there, and is aware and talking. I've been with him by his bed talking with him, watching tv, and falling asleep too!!! My siblings don't seem to be around much. I've been there about 9hrs a day, and haven't run into any of them! Weird. They actually took him out of ICU today! He's a little better, but he cannot sustain it now. It's been fine, and I could care less about the others. None of that matters one bit. Love you all, and will keep you updated. Thank you for always being here. LOVE
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Thank you guys. He is still hanging in there, and is aware and talking. I've been with him by his bed talking with him, watching tv, and falling asleep too!!! My siblings don't seem to be around much. I've been there about 9hrs a day, and haven't run into any of them! Weird. They actually took him out of ICU today! He's a little better, but he cannot sustain it now. It's been fine, and I could care less about the others. None of that matters one bit. Love you all, and will keep you updated. Thank you for always being here. LOVE
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I *really* like "The Kick Ass Girls"!!!!!! Can we get matching t-shirts!?!?!?!

Am glad to see that there are no new posts about "mom"...no news is good news.

Thinking about EOMR and hoping she is finding strength to meet her challenge head on.

Peace to you all.
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