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I don't think she would like to see me in so much pain but would understand cause she was very understanding. This is a very difficult situation that therapists would not be able to help me with until the situation with my mom and legal matters are resolved, other wise it is just a big open wound that may never heal. It is too unjust and to difficult to solve this kind of pain. It is not only how they hurt her and killed her and everything else, it is that they tried to ignore it. I just have to try and deal everyday as best as I can and try to continue to get the word out about this so it will not continue hopefully.That is really all I can do. Time does not heal all pain, especially this kind of pain, that does not just go away no matter how much therapy you have.
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Thanks pshu 333 same to youThere was nothing I could do to stop them I tried. I know that the investigators said that she was caused great bodily harm and death from these sedatives that she was not supposed to have. I will forgive them once they are behind bars for the rest of their lives. That is what it would take for me to forgive them.
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I wish I can help you to discover the truth; only the truth can set you free. Now all I can do is give you a big warm hug; slowly you will find out the truth and if you have a big heart you will forgive these people that mistreated your mom and cause her to death. I am a Christian I always searching the truth only the truth will set me free otherwise I will keep digging into the issue until I know the truth. My girl friend also point figure at me if I love my father so much I should questions the hospital before I let them put morphine on him; she said I am not free of guilt either. She keeps telling me I am just too lazy to take care things and allow my brothers and sisters to take care of him now all I can blame is myself nobody else. Although her words are hurtful but every words she said is the truth. If I love my father so much I should involve not let my brothers and sisters in charge of his life. So much for now. I hope my father will forgive me and your Mom will forgive you too. Big hug to you again.
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"It has made me a total wreck. This happened a while back and I have never been able to deal with it."

That is understandable, and also very sad, flowgo. Do you think that your mother would want you brooding on this so long? Have you been to a therapist since this has happened, to help you move forward with your own life?
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The hospital had the hospice finish killing her, it has made me a total wreck. This happened a while back and I have never been able to deal with it is so difficult to deal with knowing that medical staff who are supposed to be their to help people are better at taking lives instead. There was one medical team a doctor that was excellent and caring with my mom and a few of the nurses, but the rest of them were just horrible, really there are not enough words to describe how terrible this staff treated her.
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I think that they would have killed her if she stayed in the hospital also.
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Could you not have taken her out of hospice? I'm in the UK so it might be different but they don't make you go.
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Hospice finished her off, they continued the antibiotic which is deadly for the fungal infection that she had. They put it in a vein in her neck because she was getting water in her veins. When the hospital staff was treating her they knew what medicine she was supposed to be on.The doctor said they did not want to treat her with the meds that she needed cause she had less than six months to live because of these diseases she did not have.
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us not them
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What they did to my mom was they drugged her into a demented state and then said she was end stages of dementia. They also drugged her into a coma many times. She and I begged them not to drug her but they would not listen to either one of them. I even got in between her and them to try and stop them. They said that if they do not let them what they called treat her they would not let me stay with her.There was no reason for these druggings. She was in good health until they started with the sedatives. She kept getting complications from it.Then this last drugging she was put into a coma for 2 weeks before they killed her by giving her meds that would make her fungal infection worse as she lay in a drug coma. Then they put her in hospice and finished her off. They also gave her insulin cause of the pic line which she was on since she could not eat after this last drugging.When they gave her the insulin they did not check to see if she needed it. The other good nurse had checked and said that she did not need it.I wanted to think that it was all some kind of mistake, there was other things also.I even asked people on here but they would avoid my questions. I have tried to convince myself that it was a mistake but I know that it was done on purpose. It was mostly the hospital staff that killed her. She was only in hospice for about the last hour of her life.
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Sometimes I have heard that they do give a patient who has that problem a lot of morophine to keep them comfortable. Sometimes it is more than the person can handle. This is what I have heard so not sure if it is true or not, but it could be cause in hospice they sometimes do try and keep the patient comfortable with too much morophine.
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My God this is called getting away with murder. How you can get proof and press charges on them? I hope you will do something. I didn't do anything about my father; the same hospital did the same thing to one of my best friend who is 84 years old with COPD because I am not his blood related the only relative he has is his grand daughter to agree with the hospital to put him into hospice; during hospice care they overdose him with morphine and he died within three days. It is very chill in his case I was feeding him at the hospital he is very alert and be able to eat a lot of meal; he was admitted to the hospital 4 days then they notify me the help them to find his grand daughter's phone number because he is going to die tonight; I rushed to the hospital, he told me the nursing home sent him to the hospital 4 days they refuse to give him food nor drinks, he is very hungry and thirsty. I asked the nurse why they refuse to feed him and give him any water for 4 days. They said because of he has COPD they don't want the food and water get to his lung. They told me he is going to die tonight. I asked them how do you guys know he is going to die tonight, you guys are not GOD unless you plan of his death? He is going to anyway why not give him something to eat and drinks. After the meal he was so energetic and the nurse ask him to squeece her hand, I told my friend to show them how strong he is and squeece her hand, he did and the nurse was so surprise how strong he is. Any way to make the story short I was able to scare the nurse not to overdose him with the morphine just enough to keep him comfortable which is 0.5 mg per hour, two days with meals in his stomach he recovered so fast the hospital consider him stable and release him to another nursing home; during his third day at the nursing home they gave him 5mg per day instead of 0.5 mg and I questioned the nurse they told me is the order from the doctor and the grand daughter is making the decision to go for it. They told me I am not his family members and I do not have any rights to question the doctor and the grand daughter's decision. After three days of 5mg per day he died on March 5, 2015. Now I am so sure overdose of morphine with lung problem can take away someone's life. I really want to know what overdose of morphine will do to your body? I know morphine can slow down your heart beat and surpress you brain but would that make your lung unable to breath? I hope someone hear know the answer.
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She died in a drug overdose coma and from a skin infection that they started treating but the other medical staff would not finish treating it. So they gave her the wrong medicine knowing that these meds would make it worse.They also refused to give her the ones that she needed cause they said that she had end stages of these diseases. They also knew that she did not have these end stages diseases.
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So sorry to hear about your experiences of your Mom's death; so awful why they misdianosed your Mom with end stages of diseases which she did not have and why they do not treated her with comfort and tortured her? Make me feel so chil about hospital. You have done the investigation and the investigator reported she did not die from any of these end stages diseases then what causes her to die? Sorry I am kind of mad of the situation. Thank you Golden23 of sharing your girlfiend's situation; may be my sister did the right thing for my Dad, he may have ended his life a little sooner but with comfort, I don't really know after 3and the 1/2 days of morphine my dad didn't even need the oxgen mask to breath; he was breathing on his own until the time he passed away may be another 20 hours he was breathing on his own. I am really having a lot of ??? whether the morphine is really needed in my Dad's situation.
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My mom was in a drug coma at the end,she had been in it for 2 weeks no one could get her out of it. She was struggling to breath when she died. She went into hospice but they would not even give her oxygen even before that no oxygen. I asked and they said oh that is normal for her to gasp for air. All the other times they had her pumped up with very powerful sedatives and morphine but at the end they made her suffer they refused to give her the fungal meds that she needed for the skin infection that was very bad since they never treated it until the good doc treated it.That is when it went away on her skin for the first time and her vitals went back to normal, but the new doctor would not finish it cause they said she had less than 6 months to live. They said she had end stages of diseases that she did not have. It was even confirmed by the investigator she did not die from any of these end stages of diseases. I know one of the doctors knew she did not have those diseases. They never treated the very treatable infection until the end but the other doctor refused to continue treatment. Instead she went into hospice cause they said she had these end stages of these diseases she did not have. I have know clue why she was tortured and her even till they killed her at the end. Her treatment, the way they tortured and killed her haunts me until this day.
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http://www.hospicepatients.org/actual-hosp-euth-cases.html
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A different perspective - a girlfriend had breast cancer which metastasized to her lungs, Eventually her lungs filled with fluid which they withdrew a couple of times.. I gather they cannot keep repeating this procedure., Her husband called me to tell me that she had died - very slowly gasping for air for days and begging them to help her. In that hospital they did not give morphine at that time. She was a very brave and even stoic woman, and the image if her gasping for air and begging for help, which did not come, has stayed with me for over 30 years, I wish they had given her morphine to spare her such a dreadful death. She would have died a few days sooner, but in comfort.
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Pshu, I'm so sorry for loss, and for your belief that your sister purposefully ended your father's life. I hope you find some peace.
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Thank Babalou of sharing your mom's situation, I know my sister is kind of selfish, she made her decision to end my dad's life she felt he is not going to have his quality life so she ended his life with morphine without my consent. And I am sure without my dad's consent because I know he loves his life and he will fight for it because the stroke prevent him from speak for himself. I will follow jeannegibbs's advise to move on and find peace within myself and forgive her.
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Pshu, I'm so sorry for the recent loss of your dad. I'm hoping that in time, your anger at your sister will subside.

My mother has a similar underlying condition, as I think your dad did, where the inefficiency of their hearts causes fluid buildup around their lungs. Sometimes fluid can be drawn off, but there comes a time when that is no longer possible. We have our mom on "comfort care", not hospice, because she has some other medical issues that are still responding to intervention. We have been told that if this begins to happen again to mom (the buildup of fluid), that morphine will be administered to ease her breathing and to prevent her from feeling as though she is drowning. I want my mother to pass painlessly, peacefully and without anxiety when her time comes.
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Thank you for all your supports jeannegibbs and blondmedicdoglv. I was so mad I text my medical sister I do not want to see her for the rest of life, I don't want her to come near me if I am sick.
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Thank you for sharing that updated view, blondmedicdoglv.
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Jeannegibbs makes a very good point. I lost my dad 3 weeks ago and was devistated as I still am but you have to know I too am in the medical profession and hospice gave my dad morphine too and I was pissed. I thought they killed him and requested the medical records but after learning he WAS in distress for breathing I now believe even though at first I was real mad I now feel perhaps they may have done him a blessing by giving him the morphine. He passed with NO distress as he would have if the morphine was not given and that would have been a worse nightmare for me to have to live with. This way I do believe he went peacefully. Being in the medical field I have seen ALOT of pulmonary edema patients and even one of my dogs had it too and it is not a good thing to have to try to get air into the lungs. My dog also had fluid and they put him on Lasix a diuretic to get rid of his fluid. It worked for just so long and then he too passed. Fluid in the lungs is not good so I think they did the right thing to make him comfortable enough and not suffer trying to breathe. That is a horrific feeling like drowning in your own fluids and nothing can be done. My world fell apart too and I am still grieving as it has not been that long for me BUT the good thing about it is we are ALL fatal and we will ALL be reunited again one day and that is what keeps me going as I know everyone is just waiting when it will be my time. And I have ALOT of people and dogs waiting. God Bless, LL
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pshu333 you wrote a good description of what it can feel like to lose a beloved parent, especially if you are not expecting it. The sky is rotating and the earth is splitting up. I am so sorry for your loss.

Could your father have been saved by draining his lungs instead of giving him morphine? I surely don't know. But apparently the medical professionals thought not, and your brother and sister with enough training to understand what the professionals were recommending agreed. It sounds to me (reading between your lines) that your brother and sister tried to explain this to you in non-technical terms, and perhaps the full importance of what they were saying didn't sink in.

Dear pshu333, your father's death was a great blow. Give yourself time to gradually heal to a more comfortable place. The real blow here is the death, and that is what you must accept and mourn. You were not "betrayed." In fact this was not about you at all. This was your father's drama. Focus now on your memories of him, of what parts of him live on in you, and on your grief at losing him. Give up all your concern over what words were used to describe his care and all the "what ifs" that can't be answered now. The real cause of your grief is enough to deal with. Let all the shadow issues go.

Hugs to you. You will never "get over" your dear father's death, but you will get past the intense and constant grief, and settle into a more comfortable knowledge that he remains a part of you.
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I am not blaming the hospice but I complaint the hospital using the wrong teminology "Comfort Care" instead of "Hospice". My dad has an iscamic stoke two weeks after a hard fall backward. He was tube feeding then liquid get to his lung; my brother and sister are medical students informed me dad has to put on morphine for comfort care otherwise he was just like drowning in the ocean very difficult to breath. After 3 days of morphine 1ml/hour then my sister told me by now Dad's lung must be rotten may be his heart is so strong that is the reason he is not going, I am going to tell the hospital to increase the morphine to 3ml/hr. at the time I am comfuse about what she is trying to tell me after 12 hours my dad announce dad. I was so mad, and I felt betray and my world totally fall apart, I felt like the sky is rotating and the earh is splitting up. I fetl if my dad breathing needs morphine to give him comfort. Why my dad lived for another 4and 1/2 days, in my dad's case can he be saved by remove the liquid from his lung instead of put him on morphine?
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jumpingbum My mom also was kept doped up until they killed her. She was not even close to dying until they drugged her. The only reason for it was they do that to people who are elderly or with a DNR. She was severely drugged and on several occasions and it nearly killed her. She had to keep going back to the hospital because of the overdoses.Then she would get more overdoses while she was there if I even left for a second. It is a jungle out there.
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blondmedicdoglv That happened to my mom in the hospital also.I left for a short time to run to the store I came back they had drugged her so severely that she was unable to eat or drink or talk. Before I left she was eating her lunch on the side of the bed and we were having a good conversation.She was in that coma for 2 weeks. After that they thought that death was the best treatment since she had been in the drug coma for 2 weeks. Before she went into hospice the hospice they were making her die. Then she went into hospice and killed her.
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I am very satisfied with hospice, both when my husband had it in our home, and when my mother had it in a nursing home. Many others have posted here that they are satisfied.

blondmedicdoglv, I am very sorry to hear of your father's death. If he was on hospice I'm sure you knew he was in the final stage, but when it happens suddenly it is especially shocking and painful for the family. Hugs to you. Personally, I would rather go within 4 days of being laughing and joking, than have the experience drug out -- but of course we don't often get to choose. Were you your father's medical POA? Please let us know how your case proceeds. We learn from each other.
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IT SEEMS NO ONE ON THIS SITE IS EVER SATISIFED WITH HOSPICE. WELL I TOO AM A PART OF THE GROUP. I KNOW THEY RUSHED ALONG MY DAD WHO PASSED 3 WEEKS AGO. HE WAS JOKING AND LAUGHING ONE DAY AND WITHIN 4 HE WAS GONE. THEY GAVE HIM ADIVAN 2MG INSTEAD OF 0.5 AND THEN THE NEXT DAY INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO ME AS I AM THE DAUGHTER AND IN THE MEDICAL PROFESSION MYSELF AND WARNED THEM 'NOT' TO GIVE HIM ANYMORE OR ANY MORPHINE AS HE WAS IN "NO PAIN" AT ALL THEY GAVE HIM MORPHINE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION FOR SOME POOR EXCUSE OF THEIRS AND HE PASSED WITHIN 20 MINUTES. SCREW THEM I GOT AN ATTORNEY AND HE HAS TO SUPEONA THE MEDICAL RECORDS BECAUSE THEY KEEP MAKING UP EXCUSES TO ME WHY THEY HAVE NOT SENT THEM TO ME AS OF YET. I THINK THEY ARE RUNNING SCARED AS THEY KNOW THEY SCREWED UP. I WISH I COULD BRING HIM BACK AS MONEY MEANS NOTHING TO ME BUT WANT TO MAKE OTHERS AWARE DO NOT LET THESE PEOPLE GIVE ANY MEDICATIONS THAT CAN PUT THE PATIENT IN SEVERE RESPIRATORY DISTRESS. IT WILL BE THEIR DEMISE. I AM IN THE MEDICAL PROFESSION AND HATE WHAT I SEE. IT DISGUSTS ME!
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They sure kept my Dad hopped up on pain meds. I never did get to say goodbye. It would have been nice if they could have waited a FECKING 1/2 HOUR for me to take advantage of some lucidity. Who me ANGRY? OH YEAH.
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