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Llama/Needhelp - yep thats Dad spot on. Hes got his idea....

Hes the same with money. Thinks £100 a week is "good money to be paid". (Honestly minimum wage in the uk is £9 per HOUR!).
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Trying to work out what a "backup camera" was lol. Now I get it...

Reversing camera?

Or do you not call it that?
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Paul,

Minimum wage here is $7.25. How do people live on that? Don’t know...
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"A backup camera (also called a reversing camera or rear-view camera)..."

From Wikipedia... just different terminology, not the first or last!
Google search of "reversing" camera mostly responded with "backup camera" hits
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Paul: That's funny ~ I suppose not so much to you about your dad's idea of money. I must admit that my mother managed SOMEHOW to have a savings account on an SS wage of $1,223/month.
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Llamalover47 - that's pretty impressive, managing to have some savings with such low income! When SS questions my yearly "reckoning", it's annoying. Mom's SS was less than that, and reduced even more last year for the little bit she got from the sale of the condo (jacks up the Medicare cost - it came back down for this year, but doesn't help as the January payment, which is for December, was taken back. Even though it is for the last month alive, you don't get it!)

Anyway, I list ALL SS going to housing/food. Same with pension. But those 2 cover half or a bit less of the MC cost, so the remainder and anything needed I cover from the trust fund we set up. SS isn't even enough to cover apartment rent (average in the county is about $100 a month over her SS), yet they question this??? That wouldn't cover rent and food, much less anything else!!

So, yeah, how your mom managed to save anything is amazing! I thought I was cheap...
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Disgusted: Yes, it was! My mother also had 3/4 of a home mortgage loan to pay off and did! My parents bought their home late in life and my dad only lived to age 50.
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Cant believe minimum wage is only $7 or so!!!

Had to google for uk its not as much as I thought.

25 and over 21 to 24 18 to 20 Under 18 Apprentice
April 2020 (current rate)
£8.72 £8.20 £6.45 £4.55 £4.15

I can remember when there was no minimum wage in the UK....
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Llama,

No one could call your mom a spendthrift! My parents were the same way. They didn’t waste a penny!

My dad was middle class but we attended Catholic schools. Tuition wasn’t as high then but it was still a sacrifice for them.

They shared one car. Mom shopped sales and only bought what was needed.

We had nice clothes and good food on the table. We had enough but were never spoiled.

It’s interesting, isn’t it? I learned from their values.

My brothers spent through money in no time, then would ask my parents for more.

I went without when I was young. I saved. I paid my bills. My brothers treated me like I thought I was better than they were. I wasn’t any better, just smarter! I went to school and worked hard.

I didn’t want to ask my parents for their money.

I didn’t have a sense of entitlement like my brothers.

It was customary in our parents time for newlyweds to live with their parents until they could afford a home.

My parents never moved in with my grandparents. They rented a furnished apartment for $5.00 a month!

Oh, they shared a bathroom down the hall with the other tenants.

So funny to think about these days, right?
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Paul,

Hard to imagine what life was like for people before minimum wage!
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When I was a sophomore in high school, I had an after school job as a file clerk for about 2 hours a day that paid $3.25/HR. I think it was a little less than minimum wage since I was a HS student or it was a paid job training. Can't remember for sure. It was in the next city so I took the bus to get there and back. I was thrilled to have a job to earn my own spending money. That was my first job in the corporate world.

Incidentally, that office was right next to a convalescent home. I sometimes looked through the windows and saw old ancient people slumping in their wheelchairs in front of the TVs. I remember thinking that was a horrible existence.
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Polar,

Isn’t it interesting to reflect back on our first jobs, first second hand cars, roommates in our first apartments, etc?

I walked or rode my bicycle to my first job as a teenager. It was at a convenience store as a cashier. I was paid minimum wage but like you, I loved earning my own money!

My father made me quit after I was robbed at gunpoint. He didn’t even want me to go to the line up at the police station to make an identification because he was afraid for me. Once I explained that it was a one way glass that I would be looking through he calmed down a bit.

I wasn’t able to identify the robber. All I could focus on was the barrel of the gun pointing towards my heart.

I walked, rode my bike or took the bus to several jobs before saving enough for a used car.

I never complained about it. It was just how it was then. I am glad that I wasn’t spoiled because it taught me to work hard in life.
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NHWM, so glad you were safe. Must have been scary being robbed. I also worked at a convenient store one summer and it was also robbed, but it wasn't my shift (3pm-11pm), so I wasn't there. It was the night shift guy that was held up. My husband used to worked as a bank teller when he was in college. The bank was robbed, several times. This was before bullet proof glass was a common thing in every bank. Thank God no one was ever shot and killed. The bank eventually closed that branch and relocated somewhere else safer.
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Thanks, Polar.

He asked to buy a pack of cigarettes. The cigarettes were behind me. When I turned back around to ring them up, I was facing a gun.

It was scary. I was a kid. I panicked. I completely froze, which infuriated the robber.

I snapped out of it when he said to me, “I said, give me all your money. Give it to me now or you’re dead!”

Hearing the word ‘dead’ caused me to snap out of being frozen.

My manager always told us to hand over all the money if we were robbed and that money could be replaced but our lives couldn’t.

Then I begged for my life. He told me if I did everything that he asked he wouldn’t hurt me. I gave him the money.

He ordered me to lie face down and not call the police for 15 minutes. I kept thinking that he would shoot me in the back.

After 15 minutes, I called the cops. They showed up with tons of mug shots for me to look through. I went to a line up but couldn’t identify anyone.

So glad that you didn’t get caught in a burglary like I was.

Glad that your husband wasn’t harmed in the bank burglaries. That had to have been terrifying.

I feel very fortunate not to have been harmed. I know your husband must feel the same way.
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Need: My mother was very saavy with her money! Thanks.
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I started working as an Articled Clerk (practical experience required before qualification as a solicitor) after my degree, at $12 a week. I remain 'as tight as a tick', avoiding textile waste by buying virtually all my clothes at Op Shops. I like choice, so I donate back those I am bored with, then get some more.
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Margaret,

Clothes have become very expensive.

I buy clothes that I like and made well but fewer of them.

I did shop more in thrift shops when I was young.

I love buying books in thrift shops. They are cheap!

Thrift shops are hit or miss. It depends on the neighborhood as far as the quality of the merchandise. You have to go often because as soon as something good comes in, it sells quickly!

I have a friend that is a real ‘clothes horse.’ She found a pair of designer (Louis Vuitton) pants that normally sell in the price range of about $1000.00 and up. She paid only $12.00 in the thrift shop! They looked brand new. My friend used to own a clothing boutique and knew clothes. I would never spend $1000.00 and up for pants!

This thrift shop was in a very wealthy neighborhood.

Some purses go for thousands of dollars! I can’t imagine spending that much money on a purse!
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Whoa. Robbery! Every store owner or bank worker's nightmare!

Met a country bank manager's son recently. Said the best part of his upbringing was the annual gun lessons for bank managers - kids could tag along & have a go when old enough. Those days are gone! Someone decided bullet proof glass barriers were safer than a bank manager with a gun. Thankyou.
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:-(
Sir Captain Thomas Moore, who raised millions for the NHS and received a promotion to Honorary Colonel in the British Army because of his spirit and fundraising efforts, has passed away, taken by the virus he was "walking" to raise money for.

What an inspiration that man was!
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yeh saw the news. Sad. Great fella......
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Yes, really quite sad actually to hear about Captain Sir Tom. He represented something we all needed during this pandemic: inspiration, the wisdom of 100 years, and reassurance that things will get better. What a wonderful old boy.
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No, not sad. A quick death after a long life, with a huge success at the end to make him very proud indeed. Let's hope he died happy!
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Sir Tom lived a stellar life.♥️
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Sir Tom RIP. You were truly an inspiration.
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Back to the topics - how's the MIL and dad issues going?
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Disgusted - well MIL is much better. Shes now visiting for 2 nights once a fortnight which is way better. It used to be 3 nights a week. Also shes at home more and is getting on with things better - its done her good to be forced to look after herself.

Dad is the same. I've not visited for a while because I'm not supposed to (yeh I know MIL comes to us) but brother lives locally to him.

I do look after his bank accounts online. I can see MANY cash withdrawals for £200 a week from cash machines nowhere near where he lives. Hes done this in the past - he gives his card to brother for money for him.

It does get to me. If you do what he says, meet his expectations, he does this. If you don't, you get nothing..... And hes got a short memory - its however does what he wants that week....

In a way, it helps me to think well "stuff you" then if this is the way hes going to behave....
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Paul; Don't brother and dad live close to each other?

Any chance that the withdrawals could be fraud? I'd check if I were you.
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"MIL is much better."

Good to hear that's more or less "sorted" - hope she can continue to take more care of herself!

IF bro is w/drawing money for himself, because dad allows him to use the card, then it's the old pay to play... Some people think they can "buy" your love or care. My former MIL threatened to write the kids out of her will, if they didn't come to visit more often... I don't know the details, but I think she left everything to the ex (she had a daughter, but she died before mom.) As far as I can tell, dear old dad left everything to wife #3, none to the kids (2 with me, 1 other later with wife #2.)

I suppose it can't hurt to check and make sure these w/drawals are legit. I should think "nowhere near" dad would mean not a place he might get to on foot or with his scooter... if the ATMs are near a pub frequented by bro, you'd likely have your answer! It also seems unlikely he would need any cash, esp not $200/week.

I do for others what I feel is right to do, not for payment. I had to insist a neighbor take back money she gave me for "watching" her house when she was away and plowing her little driveway. I protected the money with a note explaining why and plastic wrap, with a warning not to throw it away, and put it under a zucchini/blueberry bread I gave to her (the zucchini I grew, the blueberries were from her bushes!) She understood and accepted it back. I had to tell another neighbor to stop trying to "pay" me too! I only hit their driveway, mostly the lower end, when it's a minimal storm, as their plow guy doesn't do it, but it's an uphill that can be tough to get up in a car! I told them both if they try that again, I won't help!!! I do NOT plow as a business - I got it for my last house and am hoping I can get a few more years out of it (over 18 now!)

Whether dad pays you or not, stick with your OWN plans and boundaries. You don't need the money OR the hassles!
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Paul,

Your brother knows that he has your father’s sympathy.

My brothers knew that they had mom’s sympathy.

It’s sort of sickening to think about it. I’ve trained myself not to dwell on the unpleasant situations too much. It’s too depressing. It helps that I no longer have any contact with them.

My mom continuously feels sorry for my brothers and they prey on her vulnerability. So be it! It’s always been that way and always will be.

I wonder what your brother would do if you questioned him about the withdrawals. He would most likely make something up.

Mom stopped driving so she gave the car to my brother. I didn’t care. I thought it was a good idea at the time.

I kept hearing stories from people that have known my brother since we were kids that he had been drinking heavily. I knew that he liked a couple of beers after work but I didn’t know that he started drinking that heavily.

Well my brother totaled the car that mom gave him. He was driving while drunk! Thank goodness, he didn’t kill anyone.

The drunk usually walks away without a scratch! Fortunately, he wasn’t hurt.

Anyway, he tells my mom that he wrecked the car because a dog ran out in front of him! They lie to save their own butt!

My other brother totaled his motorcycle.

Mom felt sorry for them both for not having transportation!

She gave them money for food, for clothes, for haircuts, for this and that and of course they were also using it for booze!
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barb - dad has admitted he gives his card to brother to "withdraw money for me".
And the locations are near brothers house. (which is near to dad).

He checks his bank statement religiously so....
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