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today’s wisdom quote:

 "A toxic person only changes their victims, never themselves."
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today's wisdom quote #2

"I can't keep calm, my family is crazy."
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🥰 today’s final wisdom quote:

“Un-drama yourself. Be who you were before all that drama happened which distracted you from who you really are and what you really want for your life.”
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bundleofjoy,

I wish that were possible, but I don't remember back that far to before I was 10.
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another update

I'm glad to have closure on a statement from a person who hurt me deeply a long, long time ago. No therapist has been able to decode this, but now I know. It never struck me as an ok statement; my reaction was shock and I shut down. Here's the clarifying closer via a retired pastor friend. "Their speech was a standard denial of responsibility often offered by abusers who have been abused."
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Yoda, I'm glad you got closure, when someone really hurts you, it is hard to let that go !!

That's similar to my feeling, that the bullies are hurting more than the bullied, inside. That why they bully to find away to make them feel bigger, because they are small people.
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Yoda, I am glad you received that statement that offered closure.

I read that over a few times & feel it's wisdom.
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Anxietynacy,

I get your point, but I don't think that I'd ever say the abuser hurts worse than the victim. To me, that's almost a more covert way of saying what my abuser said to me, that their abuse which caused mine hurt them worse than my experience of their abuse of me which they excuse on their past, as heard in their saying that they could not help it, but they knew it would create a lifetime of pain for me.

We must each take responsibility for our own choices instead of living as an eternal victim which excuses us from personal accountability, keeps us glued to the past, and never allows us to be free in the present or the future.

Yes, abusive people hurt as do those they abuse. However, it is not up to the abused to heal the abusers. The abusers need to take responsibility for themselves and find healing for themselves.

Sorry about preaching to the choir, but I am on a roll tonight and will calm down.
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You are right Yoda, I totally get what you're saying.

I use that thought for myself to just walk away from these toxic people and to forgive them so I can let go of the resentments, and anger, for me to be a healthier person.
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🥰 today’s wisdom quote: 

"Don't be afraid of death. Be afraid of an un-lived life."
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today's wisdom quote #2

"Stop wishing. Start doing."
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ihatecaregiving, i love your screen name! i gotta change mine to ihatecaregiving2.

imagine we all changed our screen names!
we’d be called
ihatecaregiving3
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These likely go without saying and likely not many here need to hear them, but they are on my mind today following varied reactions to sharing about myself in a support group. So here they are.

Seven needed dynamics to listen as one who understands instead of listens to respond.

1. Be healed enough from one's own past trauma that what you hear does not trigger you or cause you to react with anger if they don't share their story just the way you want them to say it. To do so is a major act of invalidation.

2. Suspend judgment so that the person feels that you are safe.

3. Even when their story is so foreign to your life experience that it is difficult to understand, be empathetic instead of drilling them on why not handle it differently.

Over time as more people share their story or the same person shares more of their story, you will come to understand what you didn't understand before.

Be patient and be willing to live with the complexity of not fully understanding a person's story. Empathy and validation are far more important to the person talking!

4. Consider what the person has shared with you a priceless gift for you to protect with the utmost privacy. Remember, you aren't them and you weren't there.

5. Don't fret over feeling overwhelmed or fearful in the moment for it's part of the experience when another person fully opens their soul to another. Some of that feeling will linger at times but that is normal.

6. Never, divulge what you are told to someone nor throw it back in the person's face.

7. Remain humble for you are not alone as a listener. There is always more room for growth.

For many, I'm preaching to the choir, but it bears repeating from time to time. We all, myself included, must continue to become good listeners.
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🥰 today’s wisdom quote: 

"Don't die before you're dead."
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Good advice Yoda

And so true bundle
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today's wisdom quote #2

🙂🙂 "Calm
is just a chocolate bar away."
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Bundle, I was eating a chocolate cupcake when I read your latest statement below, hahaha

Love all those wisdom tidbits!
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hugggg.
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how dysfunctional people apologize:

"I'm sorry if I behaved in a way that made you think I should apologize."
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today’s wisdom quote: 

"Whenever the brain and the heart fight, it's always the liver that suffers."
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🥰 today’s wisdom quote: 

“Enjoy life. There’s plenty of time to be dead.”
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🥰 today’s wisdom quote:

“Size isn’t everything. The whale is endangered, while the ant continues to do just fine.”
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🥰 today's wisdom quote #2

“Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.” 
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Is there a word or term for when someone with a pedantic habit (due to delusion, obsession or fixation) convinces others to act that way?

For another to do more than tolerate it. More that enable it.
To believe it. Then try to convince others too.

*Flying monkey* I suppose..?
Shared delusions??
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Beatty, I can’t really imagine ‘a pedantic habit’, as most pedantry is about rules, written communication etc. Anyone who can cope with the spelling and grammar on this site, has overcome any obsession about pedantry! Can you elaborate, please?
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NotryYoda, not sure about your list of ‘do and don’t do’ for this site. “Empathy and validation are far more important to the person talking” – well sometimes. Sometimes empathy and validation get you and them absolutely nowhere.
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MargaretMcKen,

So in the context of that quote, are you saying to drill them on why they did not handle it differently?

Ever hear "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care"?

Anyhow, I wrote about listening to understand first, not what to do after listening. Most of us don't listen to understand, we listen to respond.
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Notrydoyoda, you respond in your own comments any way you wish. Your post was a set of instructions about how you think it should be done by the rest of us. Of course I did not say "to drill them on why they did not handle it differently". Don't twist the gist of other people's words or motivation. It achieves nothing.
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I’d interpret a “pedantic habit” as “my way or the highway” about how things are done, down to minor (even inconsequential) details. Example: You put the pepper on my eggs, then salt. I will only my eat eggs if you put the salt on first, then pepper.

Controlling behaviour, OCD, maybe gaslighting to keep others on shifting ground and undermine their confidence.
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