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Many of us, myself included, come from a dysfunctional family which adds a lot of weight to the challenges of caregiving. I have read stores on various threads on other topics and decided it would be good to have a thread just for this topic for people to share, vent and discuss.

The idea for this thread originated on the thread named "The Caregiver....How are YOU doing today?"

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Seems that there has been a lot more than are usual, posters, with manipulative, abusive parents, the last week. 😞.
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Exsister,

Have you spoken to a therapist about your situation ?
A therapist could help you with the codependency between you and your mother .
You could leave her, go out see friends , ( or yes move out ) , but you think you can’t . Your mother is mentally ill for not even thinking that you should have time out with your friends . You are enabling this behavior .

You tell her “ Mom I’m going out for coffee with a friend , be back later”, and leave . It IS that simple . The fact that you feel you can’t do that is not normal . Stop letting Mom control you .

I am a former servant to a narcissistic mother , who I let manipulate me . After mom dies, You will be angry with yourself for not standing up to Mom and regret letting your life go by . Learn the word “ No” to her unreasonable demands . So what if Mom gets upset . You deserve a life seperate from hers .

Google and read about Codependency .
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Margaret, I would start a discussion but I just don't have time between working and keeping my mother happy (sort of - she's never really happy). Your advice is good and valid, but I can't afford to move out unless I'm willing to share a bedroom with another adult. I know my mother is using this to manipulate me, but she is lonely and scared, and she can't change her personality, and I do feel compassion for her. So here we are... I have coping mechanisms. I just posted here to vent and to express solidarity with everyone else going through this. We have heard all the advice, trust me; it's not as simple as just leaving.
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My mom wants to get a shower tomorrow.

However, with the time change, she wants to get everything started an hour earlier than normal because she'll have more energy, even though she has little to start with and what she eats before her showers does little to help her.

Stuff like that makes me cringe.

I mean, they don't change the times of football games, TV shows, or, in the case of Election Day, voting hours to accommodate those adjusting to falling back an hour.
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toxic/dysfunctional people be like:

“If you really loved me, you’d support my need to be a self-involved jerk!”
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🥰 Love
is an inside job.
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🥰 Current status:
Distancing myself from jerks.
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Exsister, I suggest that you start a thread of your own, so that you can work through some of the issues you have just raised. I’ll start you off:

1) You are “an optimist by nature so I look at the positives and inwardly celebrate small wins”. Unfortunately, being a bit too positive can hide the reality from you. Reality is not at all positive and you are compromising your own life. She’s 84, she can easily live another 10 or more years.

2) She “doesn't make sense but this is what she seems to believe”. Either she is already ‘mentally ill’, or she is faking – ie this is a deliberate trap to keep you focused on HER. Whichever it is, you shouldn’t go along with it. It is ruining your life now, and will until you stop.

3) “If I move far away she will lose her mind”. Rubbish. She can look after herself. Right now, enslaving you is her best option. If that no longer works, she will sort out something else. She is “84, healthy, sound mind” and “independent... by any measurable standard”. You are being taken for a sucker.

Start your own thread – you have a lot to work through. Love, Margaret
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JessieBelle and MiddleChild4of8: I empathise. It is frustrating to be trapped, to know that you're doing the right thing for your parents and yet to know that it won't be appreciated and there's no happy ending, just years of duty and then grief. I won't patronise you by offering advice, except to say reach out to neighbours. Find out what events are happening in your community and join in. You need to connect with people outside the family. Hugs xx
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This thread is a lifesaver. All of you: Thank you. I would feel very alone if I hadn't read your stories.
Now, I just need to vent...
My mother (84, healthy, sound mind) likes to feel independent, which she is by any measurable standard. However, she wants me available 24-7 because she just doesn't do adulting. Dad did all the paperwork. She never even had a credit card until he died. She drives but only to places where it's easy to park. She "needs" me to accompany her to the doc, dentist, chiropodist, hearing aid and specialist, optician, hair salon, and to go out shopping or for coffee at a moment's notice even if I have work to do (I'm self-employed).
She won't join the local seniors club or go on outings with people her own age because she does not want to think of herself as "old". She insists I drive her to her home town and stay in a hotel two nights at a time, but refuses to meet up with her old friends so the two of us spend the whole "break" shopping and eating together.
She insists on paying for trips, meals, and treats. Whenever I pay, she gets angry and says she doesn't want to be depending on anyone. She also reminds me I'm not earning much... When I remind her that I would be earning more if I could take the many opportunities I'm being offered in my career, she gets into a funk and accuses me of wanting to leave her, of hating her...
She is paranoid about my friends in a weird, jealous way. It's hard to explain but basically I think she worries I will abandon her if I meet my friends even for a minute. I know it doesn't make sense but this is what she seems to believe. She gets moody and passive-aggressive if I take a phone call from a friend or even if I stop to chat to a neighbour.
I am trapped. I want to leave, but I can't afford to rent within 200 miles of home and if I move far away she will lose her mind.
She is estranged from the rest of the family (not entirely her fault - my siblings are very abusive towards both of us).
She's also alienating her friends and neighbours with her grumpiness. I think she's depressed but she is angry-depressed and impossible to help. Her moods are contagious, but I detox by reading and watching TV.
I am an optimist by nature so I look at the positives and inwardly celebrate small wins (she goes to bed early, and I keep in touch with friends online).
I dread to think what would happen if she ever got very ill physically or mentally. I would be her carer. And if she died I would have to fight a legal battle against my siblings to stay in my home (Mum has left it to me in her will, but wills can be challenged and the legal fees are taken out of the estate, so only a fool would count on a will). I just feel life is passing me by.
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Could you allow yourself to "step out" for awhile when your siblings come to visit ?
Maybe leave some Instructions, fixins for lunch , & perhaps if Your Not There , you wouldn't be such a Target.
Even if it all goes to pot-so what? It seems to Anyway.
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Just need to vent.
My commitment to taking care of my 88 year old Alzheimer/Dementia mother living in my home for 6 years has left me as her favorite person to argue with and lash out at, while my brother and sister only visit and enable her, doing thins that she can do on her own. They are "her babies". (By the way, I am the youngest and was always "her baby" and we always had a great relationship.)
Now, its just total disrespect and arguing while she struggles to stay in control, which always turns out to be dangerous to her health and finances. Guess who gets to pick up all the pieces and fix it when I step back and let her have her way. Which I admit, stepping back, is very hard to do since I am so OCD about making sure that everything is handled. Its a 2nd full time job and finding balance is hard enough let alone, the comments about how great my siblings are while simultaneously arguing and getting extremely nasty towards me.
Thanks for the opportunity to get that out in a safe environment.
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🥰 some more words of wisdom:

Always remember to be nice to people who have access to your toothbrush.
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🙂 lighter words of wisdom:

If two wrongs don’t make a right, try three.
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🙄 heavy words of wisdom:

You can avoid reality.
But you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
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🥰 today’s words of wisdom:

🙂 Your own brain ought to have the decency to be on your side!
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🥰 today’s words of wisdom:

True success is figuring out your life & career so you never have to be around jerks.
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dear hothouse,

keep in mind also that narcs stick up for other narcs.
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Hothouseflower, I so get THAT!! 😠
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dear hothouse,

“I never realized how bad she was because I wasn’t that close to her for a long time.”

i see what you mean.

yup, narcs can’t keep up the facade forever. eventually their true nature comes out.
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Nacy, Thanks for the kind words. But unfortunately this is who she is. My other sister (her twin) had to sever her relationship with her years ago because it was that toxic. I never realized how bad she was because I wasn’t that close to her for a long time. I have been co-caregiving with her and I thought I was being supportive. We worked well for a long time. She’s had enough of me. It has been too much for too long for both of us.

Sadly she has a lot of my mother’s traits. They are not nice ones.
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Hi hothouseflower , I always say after a death people are just not right in there thinking, and the first 6 months after a death, you should try to let go of the stupid stuff they do, and not forgive, but maybe let it go compared to , when they do stupid stuff when they are not grieving.

But after 6 months of stupidity is still there that's another ball game.
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I am just so upset right now. For some reason unbeknownst to me I angered my sister. If I can tell you I really don't know what it is. Things have become strained since my mother's death. I've really tried to keep the relationship intact.

The problem is I drew the short straw and am working with the attorney on my father's Medicaid and money that needs to be returned to the state from the sale of the house. I need her help right now and she is psychologically abusing me withholding the information I need. I don't want to get into the sadistic-ness of it online but I really think she is mentally ill. Even my husband who alway tells me I am overreacting is finally seeing this.

I really don't know what to do. She controls the estate trust account and my father's checking account and if she is not giving me the information the attorney is requesting. I don't know what will happen.

I will go to my grave hating my mother for putting my sister in charge of this. If you want to know why I am the one dealing with the attorney, it is because my sister had an argument with the paralegal and does not want to deal with them anymore, The argument was so bad that the paralegal actually called me and told me she refuses to work with my sister. People in nearly every capacity: nurses at the nursing home, the lawyer's paralegal, the funeral director, the real estate agent, the manager of the bank all have told me how rude and nasty she has been with them.

I just don't know what to do. Don't even know where to dump this it is so toxic. So I am leaving it in this place.
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Hi,

Evidently, there was something wrong with my most recent post about my referral being rejected.

Otherwise, my doctor here increased my Neurontin at night from 2 to 3 pills. I slept for 7 hours strait last night. That has not taken place in months! We will see about tonight.
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I was just reading something interesting, that people with narssasistic personality disorder, are more prone to dementia.

Very interesting anyways
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Thab, 👏, take some time, for yourself, gather your thoughts, and do something special for yourself! 🙂‍↕️, find your happy place in life!
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Thank you for that question it's nice to know someone cares even if it's a perfect stranger. How am I doing? Well I've decided to do what's best for me which means that I will not be hanging any more of my brothers problems that he created. I'm going to walk away and sever the relationship entirely.
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🥰 we all need a little wisdom.

today’s words of wisdom:

CHANGING YOUR DUVET COVER:
1. Remember to use your energy sparingly. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.
2. Make sure you stay hydrated.
3. Don’t panic.
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Moore, I’m surprised that your M in AL has much shopping for you to do. Many people in AL have no-one to ‘co-ordinate their cares’. Perhaps you could consider just dropping back on the tasks, rather than going ‘no contact’. M might appreciate you more if you aren’t ‘jumping so high’. She might even put more demands on your sister.
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Struggling. I have an elderly mother with advanced heart failure. While she is in assisted living, I still have to do all of her shopping and coordinate her cares. I have a twin sister that does not help and is able to do whatever she she wants with no responsibilities. In fact my mother enables her behavior and makes excuses for her. This has driven not only my sister and I apart, but my mom and I as well. I’m trying to do the right thing - but their behavior makes me want to go no-contact. I’m so bitter, sad and angry. My mother shows no appreciation towards all my efforts. My father has passed away and I have no other siblings or family in the area. I’m at a loss of how to keep moving forward.
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