I am 62 live in Missouri and just laid off from my job. Mom lives in Michigan and is mid stage of Alzheimers. I was considering moving to MI to take care of her, but asked my brother (lives close to mom) to get rid of her dog that she can no longer take care of. Dog has diarrehia most of the time due to what mom feeds him and he tracks poop in the house and in her bed, plus she lets him in and out every 5 mins, plus he pees in the house and mom doesn't care. Mom gets upset when you tell her not to feed this or that and that he doesn't need to go out, she says it is my dog I will do what I want. When it rains she has lets him pee in the garage because he doesn't like to get wet. Her dog is also toy aggressive and for me to move up to take care of her, I will be bringing my dog who is housebroken and sweet but will stand up for herself if she is being attack. I know it will be a matter of time before her little dog and my big dog end up in a fight over toys. Earlier this year, I brought my mother to MO to visit me with her dog but everytime my dog reached for her toys my mother's dog would run over and take it away. My dog did nothing until one time my mom's dog snapped and growled at my dog and my dog snapped back and bit my mom's dog ear. If it continued into a worse fight her dog would have come out on the losing end of the fight.
I don't know if I can do all that I am supposed to do and watch the dogs all the time too and worry when the next fight might happen and what do when it does. If her dog is badly hurt, I can't just hop in the car and rush to vet, can't leave my mom all lone. Now it is like a 30 min to hour process to get mom to leave the house for anything.
Too me this is just another layer of added stress of trying to take care of mom, her house and yard, plus her dog too? My brother is willing to have a contract drawn up and pay me, but I don't know if it is worth it just because of the added stress and really don't know if I can handle it.
When I mentioned to my brother about ridding of the dog he becomes belligerent and once told me that "he knows best what mom needs". Plus he told me that "he is sick and tired of me telling him what to do and diagnosing from down here". When I gave some suggestions of things that the caregiver that comes in a couple days of week could do with mom. My brother and I used to be close but I am seeing an ugly side of my brother that I never knew existed and this is crumbing our what I thought was a close brother and sister relationship. He has already said some things that I don't know if I can forgive him for and the sad part is I don't think he really cares or how I feel. I really don't think he has any respect for me because every time I mention something about mom he cuts me down and now there is no discussion it is his way or no way. Plus he manages all of mom affairs and finances. The last time I went up for 3 weeks to give him a break, I took mom grocery shopping and she spent $160 for 3 weeks for both us and my brother made a comment that was a way too much money to spend for groceries.
My brother stays with my mother every Friday, Sat and Sun day and rest of the week has different people to stay with mom, none are contracted and atty says we have to stop that. My brother lives close he can see his family whenever he wants, I would have to drive 650 miles to go and visit my family, which I can't afford to make that kind of trip very often. With the way my brother is now talking to me and the control he has I am thinking about not moving up. Am I a horrible person to reconsider not wanting to move and take care of mom until the time she has to go into a memory care center which could be years. I am afraid he will make my like a living hell and I will be miserable, I'll be homesick and worse I will end up hating my only brother.
My daughter has advised me not to move. She says I will end up being miserable and hating my brother and she is afraid he will screw me in pay or some other way. My daughter who has always looked up to her uncle now says she is shocked at some of things that he has said to me and how he has said them and she has lost a lot of respect for him.
Don't say call and have a reasonable talk with him. I have tried that and it ends up with him saying nothing or he says this is the way it is take it or leave it or he won't call me back. I just need to know should I bury my resentment and move up and take care of mom or since he claims he know best of what mom needs let him continue taking care of her and be the martyr. Will this added stress and eat me up in the end and I end up in ill health. I do already have heart issues. I may so confused and riddle with guilt.
I would love some feed back and suggestions on how to handle this.
Your mother's living situation is deeply worrying. Your brother needs to understand that his POA obliges him to ensure that her money is spent for her benefit (I know you know that). I agree with VS that the time has come for a frank exchange of views. Or is coming, perhaps, rather than has come.
The thing is, suppose you were to ask to see her household budget. Your brother could refuse the request, it wouldn't be unreasonable to do so; but on the other hand the dirt in the house, her being unable to buy new footwear, the neglect of the dog… these are serious, and would be taken seriously by the various agencies, who most certainly would insist on an audit of her finances if they suspected either neglect or abuse. This isn't a case of your being intrusive for the fun of it.
But the whole picture is so complex I don't see how you could do anything quickly. I'd return to the subject of bereavement, first: how is the family dealing in general with the loss of your father?
If my mother has to stay in a NH longer than a year or two we would have to apply for Medicaid. That is about as far as her money would go. Ultimately by scrimping and denying she might have a couple of more weeks she can pay for a NH, but what point would that be?
I have the feeling reading some of the things you've written that your brother is a tight wad -- do they still use that term? Some people have an awful time spending money. Maybe you can tell your brother what I tell my mother when she asks about her money. "You have plenty to live on if you live at home, but if you need to go in a NH it will be gone in no time." Your brother may not have looked at it like that. It is good to be cautious, but not so cautious that your mother is denied. She deserves to have some enjoyment.
I really do need to work, too young for Medicare and can’t afford to pay for medical health care, need health care coverage have heart issues (have had 1 heart attack, plus viral cardiomyopathy) that is the real reason needing to work. Checked the Health Care Exchange cost and was quoted $623 to $850 per mo after the subsidy with a $2,500 or more deductible. That’s a lot of money when one isn’t working. Thought about taking my Social Security early, but medical cost would be take most if not all of my SS after taxes. My husband (64) is a diabetic and needs health coverage also. He was “down sized out of his job 2 yrs ago and hadn’t been able to find full time work. After medical cost I still need to buy food and pay utilities bills and regular bills that a family has.
I was told when I arrive that I would have to take caregiver home that is there during the week and the caregiver told me that there is dried poop on my mom's loveseat in the living room. She said the poop has been there for several weeks. She said I really like your mom, but now she has to make sure the dog has water, my mom does not remember to do that. She said I don’t mind making sure the dog has water or food, but she is not paid to clean up poop throughout the house. I did a walk thru the house and sure enough dried poop on the seat cushions and back cushions where he laid his bottom against the back and on the top cushions where he lays to look out the window. Taking a closer look around and my mom's dog has peed on almost if not every piece of furniture, all furniture skirts and even the sofa decorative pillows (had to throw one away couldn’t get all the pee out of the foam), drapes, the rug under dining room table had pee marks on every table leg and some of the chair legs, all bed skirts in every bedroom, plus on the rocker chair in her bedroom. When I returned, before I started my walk thru I had set my purse on floor by recliner (which he also has peed on corners of both recliners) in family room and the dog peed on my purse. I happened to think I had better close the guest room door to keep him out and when I went in he had already peed on my suit case. I then went into my mom’s bedroom and thought what I was seeing clumps of dirt on her bed; it was clumps of dried poop. Disgusting! If the poop had been on loveseat for several weeks, I am sure it has been on her bed too. This is not a healthy environment for anyone. This is one reason to give the dog to the family who has a child around 9 yrs of age who fell in love with my mom’s dog. They would be able to work on his potty training and he would have someone who would play with him instead of just letting him in and out all day long.
Do realize that my brother is at his own home Monday through Thursday and most Friday’s and gets to see his family. My SIL and I has told him over and over if you want a weekend off hire the caregiver for the weekend or at least for one weekend a month, but he refuses.
My husband at first told me he was behind me in whatever decision I made, but now says he is questioning whether I should go up with the things that my brother has said to me. My daughter keeps telling me don’t go; I don’t want you to go up there, plus I wouldn’t get to see my granddaughter as I would like too.
I haven’t lived in Michigan for 40 yrs and was planning on moving up there, until my brother started to down talk to me, like I am no good do nothing person whom I would have to deal with him on every issue or decision regarding mom. My brother does have “control” of everything and really I don’t mind that he is over-seeing everything. I am glad he is paying all of her bills and seeing that all of her finances are taken care of, but I don’t feel that I need to justify or explain to him why I let her buy this or that. This week I told him that mom wanted to buy some new tennis shoes, but she couldn’t find any that felt comfortable and he told me she doesn’t need any shoes, she already has a pair. Her tennis shoes are at least 2 years old and she wears them almost every day. I was with her when she bought those. I felt like I was being scolded.
If I lived closer this would be a no brainer, that way I would be able to see my family more often. My dog is my dog and I am not leaving her behind since she is the only part of my family that I would be able to take with me. I know it will be a matter of time before my mother’s dog and my dog get into a terrible fight, since her dog is not only toy, but food aggressive too. The fighting more than likely would probbly be over toys, since I can feed my dog in the bedroom. When my dad passed away my husband and I brought our dog with us since we were unable to afford to board her and we ended up having to feed our dog in our bedroom, due to my mom’s dog would growl would run and stand over my dog’s food bowl when my dog went to eat.
For the last 4 years, I have used my only 2 weeks vacation (one week in the spring and one week in the fall to go to Michigan and help mom and dad out and hadn’t actually had a real vacation to myself to enjoy with my own family. Plus, I came up earlier this year to use my one week vacation before being laid off to help care for mom and after being laid off I came up for 3 weeks to care for mom. When dad was alive I made countless of phone calls for my dad when he didn’t how to handle or do something or making their doctor appts, attorney appts for my dad, I even made their dog groomer appts., for them, etc. So don’t say I haven’t tried helped my brother or parents. I did what I could do living so far away.
When I was up previously my brother informed me if I take care of mom and wanted to hire someone to help clean the house, mow the yard or snow removal, I would have to pay for it myself. I am 62 yrs of age and have had one heart attack, plus other heart issues. I can clean the house and possibility mow the yard, but when I questioned about the snow removal, he said he didn't care what I had to say, if I didn't like it too bad. I had started to cry he just got up and left.
I really do NOT think that my brother is skimming any of my mom's money; I really do think that he is honest, but worried about mom’s future for when she has to go into a memory care center. I am afraid he has gone too far in the opposite direction of not wanting to spend any money and hold on it for future use for mom’s care. Both of us want her to be able to have best possible care when that time comes. We want her to go where she spends her last days in nice decent facility that has activities, gets personal attention and they don't put her in a chair or wheelchair and let her sit all day. When my sister-in-law and I visited many facilities and some were like hospitals, seen a few where the patients just sitting in chairs but we did visit 2 places that were quiet nice. Each person had a good size room with TV's, furniture and it felt like a really nice hotel room. We made unannounced visits and one of the places they were playing the piano and everyone was singing. smiling and they all seemed happy. The other place they were doing games for those who can't really get out and about and for those that could were taken to a ball game that late afternoon and evening...Very pleased with both of them, but neither are cheap places.
I think your intentions are good, but I agree with others that you shouldn't move there to take care of your mom. I think you should offer whatever support (not ideas or criticisms) you can to your brother. Certificates for meals out or some kind of treat for your mom. Offer to pay for extra help - a dog walker or sitter on occasion. Help him from a distance. Listen to him, if he wants to talk. He's juggling a lot of things to try and keep your mom going in her own home. I have a lot of respect him for that. He may be tight-fisted, but unless you think he's taking her money, I'd assume he's operating in her best interests. Managing all of the care for your mom has to take a lot of his time and energy, whether you agree with his choices or not.
Believe me, not a lot of brothers (mine included) want to take on that task. Most just pass it off to their sisters and walk away (from my experience and what I read on these boards).
Your brother sounds exhausted and you need to stay at home.
As to your "supposedly" comment, you're half right. Mom died 9/26 after my having cared for her a year in my home.
Sandy, you headlined this with are you horrible (no of course you're not) and are you asking your brother for too much (eh? Why, what are you asking him for?).
But what a can of worms, eh?
Look. You, your brother and your mother (and the li'l dog) lost your father less than a year ago. That's not long. Everybody is still sore, yes?
So sit still and mull over what has been going on for the last ten months. Your brother hasn't changed fundamentally. But his year has been very different from yours. If you hear the dialogue through his ear, it goes: you ring him up, give him orders, criticise, and tell him he needs to get rid of the dog. Meanwhile, he (and don't forget your SIL will have her own opinions about how much space your mother is taking up in his life) probably feels that he's busting a gut trying to keep your mother's show on the road. They, brother and SIL, will not have been happy bunnies when you arrived demanding coffee and loo paper (!!!).
The thing is, I think you got a bit ambushed during that visit, don't you? And I think you might have estimated quite how angry and upset and unreasonable they already were at heart, which is not your fault because, as many people do, they probably hadn't communicated their feelings clearly - so you never got a chance to nip problems in the bud.
What I'm saying is, it isn't your fault but things had got much worse than you realised before you started to pick up on weird behaviours from your brother. They felt aggrieved. They need you to realise what it's like to be caring for your mother at the sticky end, and appreciate much more all they've been doing for her. I'm sure you have said nice things to them, and you have tried to help, but without being there on the ground you didn't really have a chance of getting it right. How could you?
So now there are wounds to lick and feathers to unruffle. I agree with the consensus: this is not the time to consider moving in. Are you looking for a new job locally? In your place, I'd get myself comfortable and secure, enjoy my nice dog's company :) and just let the dust settle. Your brother is doing the heavy lifting: listen to him more, advise him less, and start the whole "looking after mother" project again - maybe once the holidays are out of the way.
Big hug, you must feel very upset and rejected. Harsh.
If you can face this level of idiocy with a profound sense of humor, and without it eating you alive emotionally, and know that you could do things for Mom to give her some quality of life right now with whatever funding is realistically available, then by all means move up there and do what you can...otherwise stay home!
Sandyinstl, you should be worried, and you should not move if you are expecting brother to make sure you and your mother have enough supplies and groceries. $160 is not too much for groceries for two people for three weeks. The dog issue is going to be the deal breaker, though. There are people who have/love dogs and will not give them up, even if they cannot care for them properly, even if the dog is a danger to them (might cause them to trip, has turned aggressive, etc), even if the house becomes a toxic nightmare, even if the dog would be better off in another home. Some care less for their actual human family than they do their dogs. It's just the way it is. (After all, you wanted to bring your dog instead of leaving it with your husband, right?)
Your brother has shown you what he is. (And people wonder why their siblings don't help with the caregiving....). He is OK with your 84 year old mother walking up and down steps WITH laundry. He thinks $160 is too much to spend for three weeks of groceries for two people. He doesn't offer to reimburse you for toilet paper, but has the money to go out to dinner(!!!) (Granted, in this dynamic you should have declined dinner out saying you could not afford it, then if he was not going to pay, you stay home. It isn't the norm, but whatever in this case). He refuses to show your your mom's financials.
And no, just because he is taking care of your mom, it doesn't mean he is doing a good job of it, or that he isn't skimming off the top and doesn't want you to see that. The fact that he won't show you the financials would red flag me to no small degree. I've watched siblings leach money down to nothing while "caring" for their elderly parents. I'm not saying this is happening here, but don't just assume it isn't.
My advice to you is if your finances allow it, offer to pay for a day's care per week yourself, and/or go every other month to make sure your mother isn't living in squalor or has broken something after falling down the stairs. Ask the pastor from her church to check in on her from time to time and make sure she is OK. He might even have some suggestions for free help from the church, even if only for a few hours on the weekends. I also suggest you call your mother's doctor and tell her you just want to be sure your mother is OK. (I'm not sure how a "backup" POA works). Brother might be doing a bang-up job, but them again he may not be, especially if he is burnt out. Burn out makes us do strange things.
And, as I said, you are (were) thinking of giving your career up all together to go live with your mom, so money can't be THAT tight at your house.
Instead of criticizing your brother, finding fault with his family, his hospitality, his care-giving, amd complaining that he won't give away mom's dog, you should be thanking him profusely and sending him gift cards once a month.
Further, you say you don't know if you want to live with mom and you want her to get rid of dog...that may make mom very resentful of you getting rid of her companion yet you get to bring your dog....sounds like this isn't a good fit and you should listen to daughter and not uproot yourself to care for mom.
Suggest maybe you work out something with brother where you come up for a couple weeks or month a few times a yr, give brother respite and leave your dog with daughter or a friend.
So you think your sister-in-law should have paid you back for toilet paper?? Really?? And that you shouldn't have paid your own way out to dinner? Know what? I think you should have treated THEM. And don't tell me you can't afford it because you're unemployed. You're discussing here giving up your career all together to move home and "help".
Boy, I just don't get it. Like it or not, practical or not, you BROTHER is busting his behind taking care of your mom!!! What on earth are you thinking?
Since the 2 weeks ago that I offered to move to Michigan to live and take care of mom, (my husband will stay in Missouri, he has a part time job and my daughter who has her own place will stay in MO), but not with her dog due to reasons in my original statement, I have not heard from my brother and he refused to talk to me this past weekend when I talked with mom, I have decided to stay and take a job here in Missouri that I was just offered.
When I came up for the 3 weeks not long ago to give him a break my sister-in-law asked me to stay with them the first couple of days and we could visit memory care centers for future. I slept down stairs bedroom and when I got up next morning ask if they had to coffee they said no. That's ok, I get that, not everyone drinks it, but when I asked if they had more tiolet paper was told no haven't gone shopping. I said I will go to McD's and get some coffee and pick up some. Came back and sister-in-law hands me 2 rolls of the tiolet paper that I paid with my unemployment and did not offer to pay me back. That evening they wanted to go out to dinner. I was not asked if or where I would like to go. My brother knew I was not working and they decided on Outback. Not overly expensive, but certainly would not chosen to go there since I am unemployed and paying cobra health insurance. When the bill came my brother says to me "your portions is". I was floored. Also during all of this I did the driving. I drove to the care centers, I drove them to dinner, etc. My sister-in-law van wasn't running very well and my brother has a pick up truck. No offer of paying me for gas. I knew that I would be running my mother around and I knew I wouldn't get any offers from her to pay for gas. More than I really could afford rght now. My brother and Sister-in-law both have good paying and make over $120,000, when I was working I only made $31,000. As I stated earlier when I took my mom grocery shopping and my brothers comment of spending way too much for groceries I told him that I had mom to buy papertowels, tiolet paper and kleenex and laundry soap as part of groceries and he said she has all of that downstairs, you should have made a list. Really, I just got to mom's it was getting close to dinner time and she didn't really have any food to make. She didn't know if she needed things or not. I don't feel that I needed to search the house to see what she has and doesn't have since I had only arrive a couple of hours earlier at her home. I took her to a not so costly diner for dinner and then grocery shopping. How am I suppose to know. This was my first day with mom.
Because of things that I have stated about how my brother when I talked it over with my daughter she says that she is afraid that my brother will start not paying for things for my mom, and/or my brother may think she doesn't need this or that, that I will have to pay for them with what he pays me. That way he will think is will all be used on mom. Or even at some point if he may decide to quit paying me and say you should do it because you love her. I do love my mom, but I to work whether it is taking care of her or a job elsewhere or I will lose my home, lose what health insurance I have and I have bills to pay. I know this sounds harsh, but it is real life.
I feel like my mother is on the losing end of this, but I am not going to fight my brother over every little thing. My brother is getting so controlling that on my visit my brother said I will come over and take mom to church on Sunday and I told him I am staying at mom's house I was planning on taking her church and that he could release a little control on this issue and I did not get a very nice look from him.
As for MaggieMarshall saying this is a control issue. It partially is, but I think it is for my brother that is the controlling one. I have decided I am not going to fight him. If he wants to run the show, then it is all his to run. The trust that my parents had drawn up says we are to be equal on everything, but my brother refuses to tell me anything. I told him if you should become sick or pass away before mom, I have no idea where any of mom's information is, so I can continue her care. I don't know where the financial/trust info, house info, dad's pension info, or anything I would need to know to continue paying for her care, her bills, etc., and he hasn't provide me with anything. When he takes her to the doctors he doesn't even tell me what the doctor's says. We both have POA., he is main and I am backup. If it hadn't been for me my brother or dad still wouldn't know what was wrong with mom. I was the one to contacted her doctor told her what was going on and happening and told her that we needed a diagnosis and she sent my mom to a specialist and we received the Alz diagnosis that was over a year ago. A year ago my brother refused to admit that mom was sick, he kept saying she is just getting old.
I am older than my brother and I use to be the one who watched out for him, but he has turned into a different person. I don't know or like that person that he is becoming.
If you or anyone else has any suggestions or advise please let me know. Do I have this all wrong. Should I be looking at all of this in a different way? Even though I have decided to stay in MO with my family, I still feel guilty and that maybe I am still doing the wrong thing.
You do realize that getting rid of a sick, mean or misbehaving old dog means euthanasia...there is no way they can agree to that if they love that dog.
Help financially instead as much as you are reasonably can.
Sorry, but it's way too easy for out-of-town family to criticize. If your brother wants your help, be available. If not, and you don't think mom is being neglected? Let it go.
This has nothing to do with the dog and everything to do with a power struggle. If it was all about the dog? You'd make your decision, go there and take care of the dog yourself.
Call her every day . . . visit when you can.