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This is something we go-a-few-rounds on here on AC. Some feel that the "greedy nursing homes" should be frozen out and the assets the seniors "worked all their lives for" should go "where they want them to go (the darling kids, of course)."
I fall into the camp that it is the "greedy kids" who want the money their parents saved often ALL THEIR LIVES to have a decent outcome in their old age. And those kids could care less what kind of minimal Medicaid care the parents get, just so they don't get the money. Meanwhile the nursing homes, stuck with Medicaid payments struggle to keep minimally paid staff and the doors open with all the rules and regs. The parents suffer. And on we go.
Somewhere between those two camps of thought lies the truth, I suspect. But I have two things on AC that will get me every single time. One is Siblings at War. The other is Asset Protection. In the one case the parent is torn between two ugly siblings. In the other the siblings are out to get the money before the Nursing Home Business can. There was a nun who became a Saint (Catherine of Sienna) who wasn't quite dead yet when those enamored of her began to collect their relics off her--so goes the gruesome (hopefully mythical) tale. I am put in mind of her. Should perhaps be the Saint of all Seniors.
No. She cannot. This would be gifting. Her assets stand for her care. Would you not want this home of your mother's sold so that she could be in a decent care facility? Would you rather the home is yours and your Mom on Medicaid in another facility with poor care?
If you have questions about asset protection, which basically to my mind reads give-the-money-to-the-kids-and-let-the-taxpayer-worry-about-the-rest-of-it to me, then go to an attorney. Tell him you are there to discuss asset protection. Take all your Mom's asset information with you. He will give you your options.
If she sells you the property it must be a Fair Market Value. (can't sell a $500,000 property for $5.00) And if she sells you the property she will have funds to pay for her care. The State has no interest in "owning" her property. What would happen is a lien would be placed on the property and any money owed would be due when the property is sold.
The state doesn't want her physical house, literally. If she needed and qualified for Medicaid, then Medicaid puts a lien on her house (if she still owns it at the time). The lien is satisfied when the home is sold.
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints.
Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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Not going to happen.
Some feel that the "greedy nursing homes" should be frozen out and the assets the seniors "worked all their lives for" should go "where they want them to go (the darling kids, of course)."
I fall into the camp that it is the "greedy kids" who want the money their parents saved often ALL THEIR LIVES to have a decent outcome in their old age. And those kids could care less what kind of minimal Medicaid care the parents get, just so they don't get the money. Meanwhile the nursing homes, stuck with Medicaid payments struggle to keep minimally paid staff and the doors open with all the rules and regs. The parents suffer. And on we go.
Somewhere between those two camps of thought lies the truth, I suspect.
But I have two things on AC that will get me every single time. One is Siblings at War. The other is Asset Protection. In the one case the parent is torn between two ugly siblings. In the other the siblings are out to get the money before the Nursing Home Business can. There was a nun who became a Saint (Catherine of Sienna) who wasn't quite dead yet when those enamored of her began to collect their relics off her--so goes the gruesome (hopefully mythical) tale. I am put in mind of her. Should perhaps be the Saint of all Seniors.
If you have questions about asset protection, which basically to my mind reads give-the-money-to-the-kids-and-let-the-taxpayer-worry-about-the-rest-of-it to me, then go to an attorney. Tell him you are there to discuss asset protection. Take all your Mom's asset information with you. He will give you your options.
And if she sells you the property she will have funds to pay for her care.
The State has no interest in "owning" her property. What would happen is a lien would be placed on the property and any money owed would be due when the property is sold.
You can read all about it by entering K. Gabriel Heiser in the search icon above.
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By property, do you mean a house, land, and/or personal property like jewelry, appliances, furniture?
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