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Lily, (((((hugs)))).

Please hold yourself to that 30 days.

We have another poster, MidKid, whose MIL was "actively dying" starting 6 months ago. It's destroyed her family and marriage

Learn from the mistakes that others have made.
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LilyLavalle Sep 2023
Thank you Barb. 💕
MidKid posted a very poignant response here when I first joined, and her pain was palpable. I tried to PM her. I hope she is ok, and I hope her MIL passes peacefully so that the rest of the family can be released as hostages. It sounded like MIL refused any outside help.
MidKid, if you see this, know that I am thinking of you often and pray that your situation resolves soon.
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“She is being released into home hospice Tuesday with me as her primary caregiver”!!! Why did you agree to this. Phone to say that you have had an (even imaginary) illness attack and cannot take her. Other arrangement will need to be made.
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To BarbBrooklyn, Thank you for asking. This forum has been a blessing. Last week was probably the worst week of my life (which is saying a lot because my dad died a horrible death from a degenerative brain disease).

First mom was in bad shape when she came home, had an incident the first night where she could not breathe, was gasping for air, clutching the bed rails an crying out in agony. Her O2 sat was in the low 80s and didn’t start to recover for 45 min. I was calling hospice, but she was not IN hospice. It took TWO DAYS for hospice to come and do the intake, even though they knew her discharge date for weeks. So I was absolutely hung out to dry, trying to get meds, trying to call her doctors, and totally going ballistic on hospice people over the phone. It was like the seventh circle of hell.

Since then she had her intake, has had RN, LPN and CNA visits and I hired a HHA to go back to work, even though I asked work for a week off. That was to give myself a break, although I spent every “break” making phone calls, setting appointments, picking up meds etc. The only time I saw my husband was at “the changing of the guard” and all we did was fight.

Now mom is feeling MUCH better after having someone attend to her 1:1 24/7. In the meantime I ended up in the ER with anemia and Epstein-Barr virus, and my 25 y/o niece, who spent 24 hours with mom, got a kidney infection. That was the last straw, and I hired an overnight caregiver, who none of us has even met yet, but it has to happen.

There has been lots of drama and demands from mom, as expected. But we told her without help she will have to return to the nursing home. She has no choice. It’s hard to watch mom in her dying days. But it’s absolutely incredible how we managed her direct care, meds, food, bathing, cleaning, laundry, bills and home, while our own home and family went completely into shambles.

Even with this new set up (day and night person, and me working my job only part time), it is still going to cost $9000/ month and I still need to be there 6 hours every weekday, and all day Saturday, Saturday night and most of Sunday. I am enlisting more family help brother, sister in law, son, and my dear niece who is staying Sunday night and Monday.

Everyone here who said I don’t know what I’m getting into was absolutely right. My friend’s mom, with almost the same health conditions as my mom, went into home hospice, started sleeping all day, stopped eating and died in under 2 weeks. As I said, mom is better, sitting up eating almost 3 meals per day and seems pretty happy and oblivious to the fact that the rest of our lives are on fire.
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sp196902 Sep 2023
"As I said, mom is better, sitting up eating almost 3 meals per day and seems pretty happy and oblivious to the fact that the rest of our lives are on fire."

I don't mean to sound harsh (or maybe I do) but are you giving yourself a time frame and limit on how long you are willing to set your life on fire for your mother? You first posted on August 20th and today is September 1st. How long can you afford $9000 a month? How long are you willing to do this if your mother gets better and better and doesn't seem to be actively dying anymore? I just hate you to be in this situation 2 or 3 months from now and your health suffers more and more only to wind up having to put mom into a facility.
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Good Morning,

I'll give you all a laugh this morning. I once worked at a Museum and a couple, man and wife walked in, the wife was limping and using a cane. So, I rushed into the coat room and took out a wheelchair and the husband sat in it and the wife pushed him around.

I still laugh about this story. The secrets to a happy marriage...
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CaringinVA Aug 2023
😳😄 I did not see that story ending like that!
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Lily, how are things going this week?
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LilyLavalle Sep 2023
Hi, thanks for asking. I replied to you in a separate post because I’m learning from reading this forum that sometimes individual replies can’t be seen by other followers of the thread.
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Hey you are not alone . It's my dad I take care of but my mother acts the same way saying she did this and that but really it was me. Hang in there. Wish I had a solution all I do is navigate the waters and avoid the iceburgs. Goodluck
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LilyLavalle Sep 2023
Thank you, and I wish you all the best as well. It’s hard!
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Mom has a collapsed lung, lung infiltrates, and 2 antibiotic resistant infections that the doctors will not continue prescribing antibiotics for. She is on 4L of O2 24/7 and can barely breathe. So she is getting morphine and Ativan. She went from about 165-175 to 96lbs. in the last year. I believe this really is the end of the road.

Today she comes home. She wanted me to be at the rehab while simultaneously being here at her house waiting for an O2 delivery. She insinuated she would not get in the ambulance without me there. So I said, fine, stay in rehab. Then she pulled out all the stops and basically said she was dying. I didn’t budge, but I called the nursing staff to check on her. Guess what? Now she THANKING me for all the work we did to get her house ready. She’s actually praising us for setting everything up. I literally spent one weekend standing up to her and she’s thanking me for almost the first time. I don’t expect it to last, but there is definitely a lesson here.
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I have read here that when the elderly are in a private home, and senior children are taking care of everything, the elderly think it means that they themselves are doing it. So I absolutely believe your mom believes it was she who did all of it. It’s very common and a big part of the reason why people have to back off a lot— so the parent can understand that they are actually not capable of doing things.
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LilyLavalle Aug 2023
Yes, Fawnby’s Dad’s quote is proof positive of this,  "It's so easy to have your own hospital at home! I don't know why more people don't do it!”

One summer I worked as a wheelchair attendant at the airport. Another 50 something y/o woman and I helped an elderly couple, both in wheelchairs, both with a ridiculous amount of luggage and carry ons. It was like moving a circus. After we got them safely to their car my coworker said, they think they handled that all by themselves, and they’ll do it again because it was so easy for them!
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Lily, if mom has "emergencies" from here on in, call the Hospice company and ask what to do.

It seems pretty clear to me that mom belongs somewhere with 24/7 care (the fact that AL would not accept her speaks to that).


Having a dying parent is hard. But unless they are "actively" dying, you shouldn't be upending your, your husband's and your kids' lives to pander to her unreasonable requests.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh. And I'm so sorry you're going through this.
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"I was very angry when I wrote all that yesterday. My mom was good to us growing up, a smart and good person, also funny and attractive, hence always having a doting man by her side. I think I’m using anger to hide my feelings of sorrow that she is dying."

I have no doubt your mom was all those things but I also have no doubt based on your original post that mom was self centered, self absorbed and selfish.

The fact that she doesn't see how burnt out you are and is still making unreasonable and ridiculous demands shows how clueless she is about the feelings and well being of others.

No need to back track on any of it because mom is dying. Her dying doesn't change who she is and that is perfectly OK.

I think you are also feeling relieved that she is dying too because that means your overwhelming care giving burden will finally be over. An scared because she seems to have rallied and that may mean she could live a lot longer than anticipated. All of which is perfectly OK too.
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“She honestly believes it was her who did all that!”

I hope you’ve set the record straight, that it was you. I hope you corrected her, when she gave the wrong description of the past. She might not like to hear the truth, but you deserve to hear yourself say it to her. You deserve the truth.

Lies about the past can really make you boil with anger, simmering, until one day you can’t take those lies anymore.

You’ve done so much for her, for so many years. Of course you’re burnt out.

She’s dying. Turns out she has lots of money - use it. Pay whoever you need, so the load is taken off you. No reason not to use that money. You can lie (if she doesn’t like it), “It’s not me, it’s hospice. Hospice legally obliges you to hire this and that person.”

Your mom must have been a sweet person. Was she? Two men who adored and worshipped her - it’s rare. She must have been a good, sweet person.

OP, you are a good, sweet person. Do what you need to do, so you’re free. You can still help her during hospice, but do all you can, hire, so you can be as free as possible.

Time will not be given back to you.

Life isn’t just about being kind. It’s actually just as much (more?) about being kind to yourself. It’s not just about saving others. Save yourself. If not now, when? Months from now? One year from now?

Your mom is on hospice - it can last a long time.

We girls tend to be sweet and giving. I want to kick your brother who does nothing. He could have halved your load. I hope he gets nothing in inheritance. People like him just wait around for inheritance.

OP, we girls tend to be sweet and giving. Brothers, fathers, sons go out and have fun, adventures, exciting jobs, living life! What are many of us girls left with? The boring, stressful jobs (helping is a job, whether you’re paid or not). There are exceptions: but often it’s like that: men go out and have fun. We’re forced into a position of helping. Someone has to help, organize.

Let me guess, your brother didn’t lift a finger to organize hospice.

OP,
please become happier, more successful, healthier, carefree, free, fulfilled than your brother.
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sp196902 Aug 2023
"I want to kick your brother who does nothing. He could have halved your load. I hope he gets nothing in inheritance."

WHY? Maybe the brother advised the sister that mom should be in a facility but sister refused (just like MID's SIL and others).

Daughter is burnt out and choosing to continue care giving for mom regardless of the consequences to her own health.

Why should brother kill himself also for a mother whom the OP has said was selfish and self centered?

Kudos to the brother for not participating in the madness.

I hope that OP is able to stop the insanity in killing herself to make her mother happy and does what is good for herself and her own family.

As many know hospice does not mean death within weeks. It could be months or years.
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Ironic just how long people who are supposedly terminal can keep cranking forward.

I know you already know this, but it is worth repeating - home care doesn't work. Don't do it.
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sp196902 Aug 2023
I agree it's horrible how long the body can persist. Look at Jimmy Carter he went on hospice in February and it's now August almost September. I hope OP considers placement for mom because this could drag on for months and months.
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Never too late to set boundaries. Sit down and decide what you are willing to do and what you will not do. And stick with it. If mom fires the person who is doing what you won't do, do not jump in. Let it go undone and let her suffer the consequences. If you keep saving her she will never have a reason to change. Not that I am saying she will change, she won't. But you don't have to either.
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Thank you for all the replies, and I’m sorry for what you are all going through as well. The home hospice is going to be at her house, which has already been renovated, single floor, handicap accessible, the works. She did this for her older bf who never really needed it, but he helped her pay for it.

Yes, I have stood up to her, and I also informed her that she may ultimately have to stay at facility that is 5 minutes from my house. She did not respond to this, but I already have the application and a timeline in mind. I will not let this go on for months. I pray they she goes peacefully. But if she lingers, I will try 24 hour in home care, and ultimately the facility if need be. She can b***h about it, but she can’t force me to give up my life.

I was just reading the thread about how caregiving has changed you, and it was truly heartbreaking. My wake up call was when my smart, beautiful 19 year old daughter who is studying to become a physicians assistant had to do ambulance hours for her EMT and didn’t even put me as an emergency contact because I’m so unavailable with mom all the time. And like others here have said, mom doesn’t even ask how I am or what my struggles may be.
So yes, I am aware this can go on for months or more. But my time as primary caregiver is coming to a close. And I didn’t mean to make her out to be a horrible person. I believe she does truly love me and she has many good qualities. But the fear and loss of control over the last 2 years have brought out a selfish and demanding side (which was always there, but she kept it under control before she got sick).
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Fawnby Aug 2023
Lily, I wish you well. I don't think mom is a horrible person, but our elders have NO idea what this caregiving gig does to us. My dad died of lymphoma and had dementia. He wanted to stay at home, so I hired a 24/7 live-in, a regular relief caregiver, other caregivers to be there when we needed them. He already had a housekeeper, PT, OT, and a sun porch that became the sickroom with a hospital bed. He wanted to walk frequently, in house or outside, and it took 3 of us to walk him with his catheter bag on a stand, one on each side, one behind, and him with his walker usually and/or a gait belt. We eventually needed a Hoyer lift. I was staying there most of the time (until my husband had a serious stroke and I had to care for him). Dad's care was exhausting. The live-in and I took him to his chemo treatments, other doctors, dentist, meals at restaurants because he liked going out. It took two of us to get him in and out of the house and car. One day he said, "It's so easy to have your own hospital at home! I don't know why more people don't do it!" It showed how completely clueless he was about how much planning and execution went into his care. I wish I hadn't kept him at home (and eventually he didn't know where he was anyway). If your mom goes on for months, please reconsider the facility first before home care. Keeping them at home puts so much on our shoulders. I had health issues of my own stemming from managing the health care at dad's home. You don't want to get that far into it, and I hope you never do.
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If she has money, place her in a Assisted Living with Hospice. If this can't happen, then try to get as many hours u can out of Hosice and pay for some one to be there at night. Yes, as my daughter would say, u created this monster. Boundries should have been set long ago especially when u both worked.

Years ago my BIL called to say he had given my MIL $1000 for a new pump for her Well. I asked why, she has money. She had taken my FILs life insurance policy and put it in a CD. I asked my DH if his Mom had asked him for money. He said she mentioned needing a pump but he did not offer to pay for it and she didn't directly ask. She was passive-aggressive and this is how she asked for money. I guess BIL took the bait.
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My dad went on hospice July 25.

By the first, my sister was planning to change hospices so that dad could go to a hospice home. He had begged and cried to my mom to not put him in one, but my mom, 87, was becoming a sleepless wreck who my sister had to medicate. All three of us sisters were maxing out.

Had he lived till now, he would be in a home.
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Listen to Mid because 8 months from now you will wish you did. Place mom in a facility or stop catering to her every whim.

My vote is for the facility.

But if you keep her in your house her hoard doesn't get to come too.
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Midkid58 Aug 2023
I would hate to be the one to say "I told you so" there is no joy in that--but, please, do look down the road!

We have gone almost nowhere (2 VERY short 36 hr trips to see family) this Spring/Summer and will go nowhere the rest of the year.

All because ONE selfish woman wants what she wants, come hell or high water.

And these kids were so carefully groomed to never ever cross mama.

I used to think I wasn't capable of hating anyone. I'm afraid I am finding out that I am capable of it--and I'm not proud.
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Your post hit a nerve with me.

My MIL is in in Home Hospice with her 3 sr citizen kids dancing attendance. I cannot count the number of aides she has hired/fired and all the drama that ensues when she does this! She DEMANDS only her kids for her care.

She's been in active Hospice for almost 8 months now. She's not really worse, altho she has days when DH says she is definitely 'slipping' but the kids have gone from being told she had 2-3 weeks to 'she'll probably live well in to the New Year'.

And at SUCH a cost. Emotionally, the kids are all burned out. I cannot approach my DH to do ANYTHING for me, he is so on edge. I am not a voice in this, so I stand back and watch the crazy.

YS is driving the bus here. She makes a 'schedule' on the fly--each day is new and different. So, DH and I can't make any long term plans and we actually just cancelled a 24 hr getaway b/c he was needed at mom's.

I cannot state how very, very angry I am about this--and how my voice is not heard and no one cares how I feel or what I think.

She should have been placed in an ALF back when she had the fall that landed her in the hospital and then in rehab. Since then it has been beyond awful--Dh is constantly on edge and who does he take this out on? The one person who has his back, me.

If you can possibly do this--simply refuse to take her home. Arrange for some other type of care--whatever works. She'll be mad, plan on it, but you HAVE to set boundaries up front or you will be walking into a pit of fire you'll hate.

You recognize that you created this--and only you can make it 'better'. Can you be that tough with mom? My SIL tries, but in the end, MIL always, always, always gets her way. She cannot see the enormous cost of this to the whole family.

Ever read the book "IF you Give a mouse a Cookie?" It's a pretty cute book about something small becoming something huge and how it can happen so quickly.

PLEASE get the reins firmly in your hands before mom is discharged to 'your care'.

If we could go back in time, my DH and his 2 sibs would have put MIL in a NH so fast your head would spin. Now they're stuck, and all of the rest of the family too.

Good Luck, and be strong!
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LilyLavalle Aug 2023
“I cannot state how very, very angry I am about this--and how my voice is not heard and no one cares how I feel or what I think. “

This comment really resonates with me because I see that so many of the elders on this forum don’t see or don’t care about the epic collateral damage they are inflicting on the wider family. I’m not even 60 yet and my hub and I are going to get long term care insurance and write our advance directives, create trusts and do whatever we have to do NOW so our kids don’t go through this.

I did apply for assisted living while Mom was in rehab, but they will not take her on hospice. Then she took a bad turn for the worse, has a collapsed lung and 2 antibiotic resistant infections that the doctors do not want to throw more antibiotics at. So she is getting morphine and Ativan. I believe this really is the end of the road. She went from about 165 to 96lbs. in the last year. She has beat the odds before, but it really isn’t looking hopeful for her at all now.
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You hired an aide for when you're at work. You defied mom! Now you can hire a couple more aides for when you're not at work. Do it! Use her money, not one penny of yours.

You explain how you got into this mess and realize that it was a mistake. Believe me, you're only at the entry point and it will get worse. She could go on for a long time. My mother was in and out of hospice for 2.5 years. This could happen to you. Keeping that in mind, take care how you go forward. This doesn't look too promising for you.

As an aside, where did your mom find all these doting, caring people to adore and worship her? What is her magic?

And a further note: If your mom believes she did take care of all the people you mentioned but didn't, it sounds like dementia or some other self-fooling brain glitch. Be prepared.
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JoAnn29 Aug 2023
I have a SIL that seems to have a number of friends. But when it comes to family, on both sides, she is a B.
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I’m so sorry you are in this position. I’ve recently been caring for my 10 years estranged mentally ill 75 year old mother. We’ve been consumed with getting her life more stable. I also have an uninvolved brother. I was told here to set boundaries. The one I did manage to set, is telling her I would not be able to do home hospice with her.

My sweet dad died 19 mos ago, and I went through a horrific mess trying to get him care while doctors ignored him. I told her the whole awful story, including how I put even him in a small board and care facility at the end. But for three weeks I was his only caregiver. And that I didn’t have it in me to take care of another dying person. So seems to understand that I’m NOT going to be her hospice home care if that time comes.

I would say if she has money, use her money for care. If getting her in a facility won’t work, hire more care using her funds. My dad was too ill to fight us on going to a home, but he was a mild mannered person and would not have fought anyway.
My mother is impossible, selfish, and extremely bad tempered. She’ll fight.
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