This topic is obviously very personal: everyone will have their own opinion. I have many friends who helped their elderly parents alone for years, while their siblings did nothing. My opinion is that the helping adult child should inherit more, so they’re not financially ruined after spending so much time, energy & stress, helping.
My father relied on me to take him places after his lung cancer surgery.
He earned one last check, and split it 3 ways for us siblings, leaving one check for himself.
I was a bit resentful that siblings received a "gift" from Dad and my "gift" covered my own expenses taking care of Dad.
On the night of Dad's death, my brother appeared as we got home to tell me he had died in the ER. He said to give him the outstanding check in Dad's name, and he would cash it.
Brother not only stole the check for himself, my husband and I had to pay the funeral expenses. The amounts are not important.
Before arriving home, my husband and I were at that same hospital with his sister, who had made a suicide attempt. Not knowing my Dad was about to die in the ER.
Today, it is as it always has been. I cannot be in the presence of "family" without it costing me somehow. Estranged and careful.
There was no other "inheritance" except Dad's legacy to my two siblings: The Con. The scam. The lies.
I did not receive those genes, being the middle child and scapegoat, confirmed by my psychiatrist at the time.
I have gone NO Contact with siblings.
awful.
as for:
“I have gone NO Contact with siblings.”
totally understand you. hug!
i’ve done the same. but every now and then, i must communicate with them. for example today. and as a consequence i had an awful day: they behaved terribly.
i send hugs to all of us, unfairly treated in one way or other.
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Perhaps suggesting to parents that while they are alive, they treat siblings equal?
We hear of 'the golden boy' favored, gets anything he wants; the needy failure -to-thrive child living with parents; the successful married child who needs help with a down payment on a home; the teen who needs a car for work. And other scenarios, even the drug addict who steals from parents.
[Whatever you give to one, the others get an equal amount at the same time.] And, one would need to be rich. And, whoever said life should be fair.
Then, tell them all, whoever helps in the parent's declining years will get the entire inheritance based upon the hours given to their care. If any.
It will be obvious that I haven't worked all this out yet. I already gave back when I had the money.
Any such agreement like, “I’ll help care for you if you leave me a larger share,” said to an elderly or sick person, sounds like extortion under duress.
5 adult children. All treated with love all their lives by the parents. 4 boys, 1 girl.
4 boys decide not to help at all. The girl helps. She gets all the stress, emergencies, loss of opportunities, gets poorer, while helping. She wants to do it out of kindness. She tries to balance it all with living her own life, too. The years go by. She gets poorer and poorer.
Why not sell the house, that money goes to pay for her care in Skilled Nursing. It isn't that "they take the house" the funds are used to pay for HER care.
If you need or want her house you can buy it and that also will provide funds to pay for her care.
It sounds like in your case there would not be much to inherit once debts are paid. But if there is that money should be used now to provide for mom's care.
While your parents were able to enter into a "contract" they should have been paying you for the care that you provided, the rides you gave etc.
I beg to differ on "Medicaid pays people everyday for doing nothing" I have never heard of Medicaid paying individuals.
may karma happen to them. and may good things happen to you.
but that was before becoming aware of reality and now feel the caregiving child(s) should receive more.
if the others are too uncaring and selfish to understand that it’s just too bad for them.
I paid myself $25.00/hr. instead.
She “mutha,” hated me and wanted me to see I was only getting half of a $33,000.00 annuity that required me to pay taxes on, after she died.
A 3,000 payout occurred once a year, so she controlled it from her grave.
Sister got the other half.
Sister in FLA whose rent was paid by our mother, got the entire TAX FREE, life insurance policy of $350,000.00 plus 1/3 of the Trust, $250,000.00, whined the whole time, that I was trying to get her to change her Will.
(2) nephews “ received the rest of the Trust because my brother died, so his share went to them.
its a thankless job and everyone’s throwing rocks, so PAY YOURSELF
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I received apology letters 10 years later from my nephews, not my sister, who revealed herself as the queen narcissist.
Funny they realized I never cajoled her to change anything.
I have no family around me over a WILL, where they got everything.
Death reveals who a people really are.
Keep s journal with exact date, time, task and end time, with notes if necessary.
If anyone questions it, you can fling the journal at them and remind them you had to pay TAXES on it.
It may require a lawyer.
Depends on if the person with the inheritance is deemed mental competent to handle these decisions.
NONE of them helped ever, ever and they lived close by.
She knew I was the only one who wouldn’t steal, plus I got the least and paid taxes on it.
The probate judge told them, “if she was stealing, she wouldn’t have put your mom in such a swanky place.
I just see her spending her mothers money on her mom.” He saw through them because this is common behavior.
It was just plain mean.
I sat in hospice alone, listening to her death rattle.
30 minutes after she died, their lawyers were calling me asking where their inheritance was?
It was Friday night. They had to wait until Monday
My belief is that Rights and Responsibilities are two sides of a coin. If you want to have Rights in something, you need to accept some Responsibilities. Conversely, if you have Responsibilities, you can expect to have some Rights (or Interest, or A Say) in these matters. Because my brother has had ALL the Responsibilities related to my mother's care and the family homestead, I realized a few years ago that he should have ALL the Rights to my mother's estate. I knew that her will designated that her estate be divided equally between my brother and me. After discussing this with my husband, he agreed with my decision TO RELINQUISH MY INHERITANCE.
I decided to do it this way, rather than ask my mother to write a new will, because my mother was already in the early stages of dementia and I knew it would be difficult for her to understand what I wanted to do, and I just didn't want her to think I didn't value her gift to me. But it was BECAUSE I did value the family estate, that I wanted it ALL to go to my brother, who has a daughter and son-in-law and grandson (whereas I am childless), thereby extending the family "legacy" into the next generations. I felt my brother deserved all this.
I don't know how valuable or complicated your parents' estate is. My mother's is quite modest. My brother's lawyer said it would be a simple matter of filling out a form, after my mother dies, to relinquish my share of her estate to my brother.
If this idea appeals to you, you can readily find information on Internet about it. Search for Relinquish an Inheritance.
You are a generous and compassionate person, as your brother has been, too, in taking care of your father. Perhaps this can help you find a way to guarantee that your brother remains financially secure.
I think someone who helped their elderly parents should receive more, than someone who didn’t help. The person who helped, for sure had financial consequences, getting poorer while they help.
So, awful-non-helpers often want the same share of inheritance, even though they had zero stress and total peace of mind, while their helping-sibling slaved away.
Also consider that the elderly parents often view the service of their daughters as something that daughters just do, as a matter of course, and needs no reward. This is not right, but I have seen it many times.
Also bear in mind that old fashioned and idealistic ideas often have great influence in the process of making wills. Too often parents piously insist that they love all their children equally, so all should inherit equally rather than realistically accept that child A does a lot for them, loves them in concrete ways, whereas child B has always been selfish and self-centered.
A whole lot of nonsense can influence the making of a will. If you are the child, be sure you are paid NOW, not later. If you are the parent, talk to your children, especially those you see the most. Talk about what you think is fair and what your children think is fair. Also try to separate the notions of a "family legacy" from the practical matters of what the various children may want or need. It has been a long time since it made any sense (if it ever did) to leave property to sons simply as an effort to keep the property in the family.
I agree 1,000,000%.
I’ve read all the answers. I learned a lot, also from warnings from people.
Are you the adult child? If “yes” — stay away from this topic unless you are asking about your own will. Someone else’s will (even if you are an heir) is not your business until after they pass away.
My parents gave me more. Not because I was their caregiver, but because they were “feeling it.” I didn’t know any of this until after they died.
I was their caregiver. Not because of the will I didn’t know about, but because I was “feeling it.”
I was sued by my siblings over the whole thing and and completely won both (yes 2!) lawsuits.
If you are the child and you feel you should get more if you are a caregiver, you are not really care “giving.”
Both my sister and I live in the same area as my parents do, but right after the need to step up care happens, my sister announces that she has decided to move across the country. When I raise a fuss she tells me that she can still help remotely, but as soon as I ask for her help she tells me that she is too busy since she has decided to go work for a startup- this even though she does not need to work at all since she and her husband are quite wealthy and he is already retired. Honestly I believe she has some deep seated issues regarding her relationship with my parents because she also shirked her responsibilities and temporarily disappeared when mom suffered a stroke 15 years ago.
so I’ve been doing it all- dealing with the long term care insurance, the nursing care company and the schedule, the automotive insurance company, getting my dads car out of repair and figuring out how to sell it, filing for my dads supplemental accident insurance, visiting assisted living facilities, taking them to doctors appointments, activating financial POA’s, taking over my dads finances, dealing with their taxes, and their bank accounts, managing their meds, managing their groceries, necessary clothing items, dealing with their computer and internet and cable issues, and managing necessary repairs to their condo and the insurance coverage for it. and not to mention just spending time with them!
my wife has been so kind and is helping a bit to take some of the stress and burden off of me, but we are also dealing with her aging father at this time.
when my sister told me she couldn’t help, my wife advised me to begin tracking all the hours I spend helping my parents, and it looks like I average around 12 hours a week of helping them EXCLUDING my visits just to see them.
Dad has already said verbally that all the monies from his car sale and supplemental accident insurance should just go to me. However, my parents’ will says everything is to be split equally between me and my sis but I am tempted to just take what I think should be my fair share since I am now controlling my parents finances.
and at this point I never want to have anything ever to do with my sister.
I moved out of state to move in with my folks and help them age-in-place. My mom is in her fourth year of dementia. I cut back my work hours to less than ten a week after celebrating my 25th anniversary with my employer.
Before expecting a bigger inheritance, I'm trying to figure out how to be compensated while I'm caring for my folks. If I start thinking about who might get what at the end, I know me; that could lead me to feeling resentful and/or keeping a running list of checks-and-balances.
Your question is very practical! I suggest you focus on what will bring you peace of mind. For me, my greater peace comes from knowing I'm doing everything I can to help my folks. This could change but I believe God will provide whatever I need in the future.
He always has.
Then you visit a lawyer with this information and tell them that you would like to begin getting paid for being your parents' live-in caregiver. If it's all legally done and worked out, I don't see why you can't charge the same to care for your parents 24/7 as a care agency would charge.
When tens of thousands of dollars get paid out to a care agency by a client Medicaid does not consider this 'gifting' in their look-back period.
Let a lawyer set this up for you. Have a consultation with one that specializes in elder law and estate planning.
Ask yourself if you’d expect your son or daughter to go broke caring for you. No is the answer. Give yourself permission to use their money! It’s why it’s there!!
If your siblings or anyone else has a problem with it, that’s tough. They can step up, help, and use the money in the same way. It’s what’s fair and just. Losing someone is hard enough. And the person you’re caring for is most likely not themselves, and not in a frame of mind to be logical about decisions at the end of their life. Not only should you be commended for your caring role in their life, you should certainly not be worse off financially if it can be helped. Good luck with everything.