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SO nice to hear this update and observations! Thank you. Enjoy the fresh air. ;-)
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Hi Everyone, Mom is about the same. Still feels she could get back to being her "old self" if she could live in a place by herself. I find it interesting that her mind won't allow any sort of defeat. I believe that this strong feeling of wanting to be independent keeps her alive. She doesn't know how to enjoy what she has and live in the moment, which of course is what she needs to do. Once in awhile she will say to me, and I am paraphrasing, if it is wrong to want to live by myself and take care of myself, why do I have such strong feeling of wanting this. I try to explain that it is natural and OK to desire what made up the most content and to live the way we lived for so long.

I can't forget however, that when she was living along, she complained about the neighbors or anyone who turned around in her driveway and made black marks with their tires, or the times she called me in the middle of the night frightened that she was sick. And of course lets not forget the many times she misplaced important items and she struggled to find them. Also when she was still driving, she would get lost and a shopping trip exhausted her for days. She has forgotten all that.

I do believe, she is the best place possible. The staff love her and her sense of humor. She is still stubborn and won't let anyone touch her. I know this is not a perfect solution, but the only one I can manage right now. I send her pictures of the great-grand kids she will never meet and tell her stories about them and reminise about the past when she is having a good day. Elizabeth, when you said that distance doesn't change the guilt much. I must agree. When I spent several months with Mom, she didn't improve all that much and she actually asked me to leave on repeated occasions until she finally threw a fit which led to my leaving her alone (I consulted with her doctor before doing that). That is whole other story. Thanks for caring and hugs to all. Just visited my daughter and grandbaby in Seattle (3 hr car ride). They are breath of fresh air.
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Joyce: I feel for you and your mom. I don't believe she would be happier if she lived in your home. Maybe is she was in a NH close to you and you could visit everyday, you wouldn't feel the issue of distance. That doesn't mean your mom would be happier, it just means the distance issue would be out of your mind.

Can you give us an update on what is happening. Blessings to you. Cattails
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Joyce, I know how difficult it is to be away from the person who needs your care. That was my situation until 18 months ago when I moved my mother to be close to me. My life is forever changed and there is no getting away from it. The guilt that I felt when she was far away is not less, it is more now that she is close. Now she (maybe WE), think that I can somehow fix her situation and the guilt and frustration just pile on. I have taken on every one of her problems. I have come to the conclusion that this is not easy no matter what. Close, far away. Doesn't matter. Who wants to outlive their minds, their resources, their dignity and independence? The best thing may be that you are not right there with her.
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Usually we have to give up the hope of having a good relationship with our mothers-it is not going to happen and wishing for it is a waste of time. They feel entilted to everything that is done for them-sometimes detatchment works better and not trying so hard.
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Joyce- I go through the same thing with my mother. I constantly question if I am doing enough (even though I'm doing everything) but lately Ive realized part of this questioning is because my mother is never satisfied with anything I do, it's like dumping energy into a black hole- there is of course no reward, but also no appreciation and rarely any thanks. I think it is natural for us to keep pushing ourselves until we hear from our mothers, "Hey thanks, you've really made a difference", but because they are so miserable and have such warped perspectives, they don't say it so we keep driving ourselves to the brink, hoping for that basically human gratitude if not the long-lost approval of our mothers.
What Ive tried to do is tell myself I'm taking care of another human being, not my mother, because the baggage and manipulation my mother offers makes me so angry I want to abandon it all. This helps day to day.
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I do truly understand as I work for a NH and many of our dementia residents make
the families feel so bad at times because they really don't remember what they told you on the phone 3 hrs later. They down side is that we cannot make our residents take medications or even bath if they don't want to. We do try to brie them at times, if that is what works, They do love sweets etc. But that doesn't always work either. Try to remember that even if you were close by, it would probably still be the same for her, she still would not be happy and that would make you even more unhappy. I've seen it happen many times. My own mother kept telling me she was going out of state to live with other family. I told her that if she could get there, GO FOR IT. She would let it die for a while and then would start again. Good luck to you but please don't be so hard on yourself as it appears you are doing all that you can. Just end your calls to her with Mom, I love you! you will feel better in the end. God Bless!
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Jane, thanks so much for your post, it got me to thinking about the situation through different eyes. When I find myself being impatient or critical I feel in a way that I am protecting myself from the inevitable loss. Sounds crazy I'm sure, but if I get in too deep emotionally I feel so fragile. I've always lived in fear of loosing my parents. When I lost my Dad in 1994 the doctor put me on antidepressants. So I think maybe if I don't feel her pain I'm not as vulnerable. Even though she pushes all my buttons and makes me feel guilty for having a great marriage and a good life, she didn't have either, I still can't imagine my life without her. I dread that day. Could detatching myself be a way of protecting myself? If so I have to get over this guilt. Thanks for your well wishes. I'm so thankful for this forum. Hugs, Susan
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Detatchment is not easy and it does not mean that you can not have an association with the person at all-but keep the time shorter and do not let them hammer on you or make you feel bad or that you are the problem-you know the truth and approch with power-do not let someone take your power away-take it back yourself-you will feel better and the other person will lose his orher pwer to hurt you.
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And PS, Pink...love the best part of YOU too. And all the other parts. Love the best parts of you.
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Pink, I'm not sure I have the right words for this, but I'll try. And I'll speak from my own experience...it may resonate, and it may not.
My dad has been described by the outside caregivers as charming and kind. He is 180 degrees away from that with me. His way of launching conversation is to complain about something. That's a new insight for me; I just heard the complaint, and not the desire, underneath it, to be engaging with someone. To be sure, he IS complaining. He IS demanding that I somehow change his circumstances...and not just today's circumstances. A part of him believes he'd be happier now if his life has been different, and it is someone (else's) fault that it wasn't. It's unpleasant on a good day, and infuriating on other days. And in MYSELF therre is an undercurrent of sadness that I can't help this Being become happier.
When I can step back, detach from his feelings and mine, I have an easier time connecting to the finest part of his being. Whether you call it soul or spirit or the god inside all of us, or the part of you that has no thought and sees through your eyes...whatever you call it, THAT is what I mean. When I connect with him there, I am understanding of what is true in him despite all the schtuff that is being said in the moment.
Somwhen you wrote that she needs understanding, that's what prompted me to write. Maybe try this. Connecting with the swirling emotion and her fear and panic and anger is exhausting, and it doesn't help either of you. Stepping into her room, or onto the phone, after you have centered yourself enough to connect with the finest part of her being...there you will feel an understanding and connection that may soothe her (it may not, too! But it sometimes does) AND you'll be detached in a loving way. Now that may last a few second or minutes or hours.. I lost sight of it for almost a whole week, last week.today. For some reason, it's easier, I expect it will be like that dor you, too.
The ache below what she is saying is where to send the love and understanding. It took me all the previous sentences to get to that one. Love the best part of her, and see if the rest of her doesn't feel it too.
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I've tried detaching myself , but then I feel guilty and feel like I'm not being sympathetic. It's a no win situation. I feel Mum deserves more understanding than I sometimes feel I can give. It's exhausting.
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I have found you can not make someone happy if they are wallowing in being miserable-the only thing you can do is detach from them as much as you can and limit your time with them. My Mom can turn on the charm for others like the husband did and then look dagers at me-or scream in my face but now I know who the problem is with and do not waste time feeling bad about it.
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Joyce talk to the Dr. and see if maybe some of her behavior could be due to the meds or a combination of the meds that she is on. although your description of her personality is a difficult one but you said that she felt poorly and thats the reason she didnt want to be around anyone but her grooming seem to have been an issue. She get along with roomates but difficult with you, why? Maybe she miss you and don't knoww how to express it.She still thinks she is capable of caring for herself what have you or the dr done to show her otherwise? It is a hard thing to try to understand the road they travel when you have not been in that direction. Whatever you do don't let her drive you away keep loving her and showing her that love. You just maybe surprise how well it helps. Take care of yourself and God be with you.
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Hi everyone, typing is difficult.....gout in middle finger of left hand. Anyway, just had a wonderful 6 days with family and friends in Seattle. Called Mom in FL while I was on vacation and again after I got home. The conversation started out OK but deteriorated when a care giving nurse came in to ask to examine those feet of Moms. She immediately went into her confrontational mode. Whoever said you can/t win a disagreement was absolutely correct. Whew! I'm exhausted from trying to allay her fears and don't think I succeeded. She may go to her maker with those nails. We talked in circles, she is just so scared. Thanks everyone for your continued suggestions. BTW, I have an elder care manager, thank goodness, and she has been a big help.
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I would call Social Services where she is living. See if they have a suggestion for what seems a very difficult situation. Explain that you live out of town and want to make sure that your Mom is receiving the best care available. Explain her dementia and her previous living situation (seclusion) and ask if they can get you in touch with the right people to help you. You cannot make her better-you cannot change her mind about how she deals with things. I am dealing with my own Mom with a lot of the same issues and one thing I have learned is that you can't win a disagreement with someone with dementia so don't try. Just make sure in your own mind that you have found the best situation that you possibly can to be sure your Mom is safe. A local care manager may be the asnwer for you that will coordinate closer with her doctor. Hugs and good luck. Growing old is not for sissies and neither is being a caring daughter-especially when you are not close.
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My mother and I were joking in a way we had her whole life.
" Place me on a Barcalounger on an ice berg in Alaska, give me a ton of Valium and just push me out to sea."
"Let me jump off the cruise ship with my boogie board and a belly full of valium."
"Watch me paddle out until I can paddle no more and then i will down a gallon of vodka and say good bye."
We planned our peaceful ending where we would no longer be a burden.
She turned to me clear eyed. "Your grandmother and your father have taught me that by the time you would really want to paddle out, you are not strong enough to do it yourself and none of us have the courage to help you... nope, sweetie we are going to have to ride this one out to the bitter end"
I remember that day clearly these days as my mom wanders purposeless through our house.
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Reading this thread just makes me realize more and more that many of us will live to an age that is well beyond what nature truly intended and there is no real "happy" ending to these stories. We give the love and care that we can and try to deal with the inevitable feelings of helplessness and guilt, even though objectively we know that there isn't much we really can do other than try to keep them safe. I am currently caring for my mom who still has her wits about her, but as her body starts to shut down I worry endlessly about the possibility of her needing full time care. She would hate it and so would I. I have worked in several nursing homes in activities and know that there is only so much that we can do to make a resident's life happy and fulfilling, especially those who suffer from multiple issues, including dementia. The only thing that brings me some comfort is the idea that our generation, and our children's generation will do more for ourselves in terms of staying healthy, exercising, keeping our minds active as long as we can and having affordable health care so that we can reach these old ages in a better state than our own parents. Having said that, I know that some illnesses and deterioration are inevitable and that we are limited in what we can offer the elderly - but much progress is being made for future generations. Peace to you.
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You are doing everything you can possibly do. I am sorry for you and your Mom. Mine passed away in January and although not as bad as you have described, but was unhappy to be in a nursing home. I went to visit her almost everyday. I took her food, because she wouldn't eat what they gave her. I felt so bad for her, but could not take care of her by myself. She was mostly negative about everything and sometimes that was so hard to deal with. Now, I miss her terribly and don't regret anything I did, wish I could have done more. Just hang in there. I will keep you in my prayers.
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Joyce you are doing all you can-probably nothing will make her happy she is so use to being unhappy it is really a shame that at the end of their lives they get this way I see it with my Mom-I can't blame my brother too much for not going out to see her if she treats him like she does me-I think I would be so glad to live a long life that I would try to be nice and appreciate what I do have but most of the time it is not that way with them-my aunt is an exception we enjoy our visits with her she tells the same stories over again but she is happy-she is 95 and lives alone she even has some JW's that visit her twice for over 20 years and offer her help because she is so appreciative of what people do for her.
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Has she had enough time in the nursing home to make a friend there? Another alternative is move her into your home, in other words, bring her home to die. This is a great privledge that belongs to you and you will receive a great sense of relief and peace of mind. I gave up my home and career to move in with my Mom and saw her to her final few years and it turned out to be a truly rewarding experience. This is what I wish for you.
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Joyce, just read your post about the dr. giving your mom ativan. My mum was given ativan when she was in the hospital and she had a horrible reaction to it. She was like an animal, trying to fight me and even tried to bite me. I was told by the Dr. after that many elderly patients have a bad reaction to the drug. I'd think twice if I were you! Susan
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I can totally relate to what you are feeling. I ask myself the same question daily. Am I doing enough? My Mum will be 91 in June and until 3 months ago was still living in her own home. I'd visit everyday morning and after work, Call many times during the evening. Mum started becoming very frightened being alone and started working herself into a panic attack which led to breathing problems and a couple of hospital stays. We are lucky that her only health issues are high BP and mild cong. heart failure. Since she is so miserable at home alone, I gave in and moved her in with us. Which I thought would be the answer. What more could she want....what more could I do! Now mums not happy because she's in the house too much and "can't do what she used to." I can't seem to make her happy. We wait on her hand and foot, and she is treated like a queen. I'm now finding myself getting short on patience. I just want her to accept being old, and just enjoy every day that we have together. But all I hear is negativity and sadness. It's really getting to me. I don't know what to do to make her happy. I try to put myself in her situation and think about what it's like to be 91 and limited in ability etc. Why can't our parents just be happy to be as well off as they are?
My words are not a solution, but I hope the realization that you're not alone and we can all relate to your situation helps a bit. Susan =^..^=
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Joyce, you are doing all the right things. When they are a negative person, it only gets worse as they age. My mom is the martyr type that the glass was half empty and it had a crack in it and I had to carry the tray with everybody else's glasses. Now she has evolved due to dementia that the glass is half empty, the crack was done deliberately and there is poison in it and there's 2 trays to carry.

It may be that this NH is not the right fit for her. I'd suggest you have a talk with her elder care nurse about what the residents are like at the facility and how busy they are for/with activities. Is your mom like most of the residents? You may on your next visit down, meet with the social worker to see what their take is on her.

I moved my mom to from 1 NH to another (for many, many reasons). She is still negative but is walking about doing more as the new NH is laid out better for walking and she is significantly cleaner - the bathing room is big and centralized (so it is a 3 person team bathing 2 ladies at a time) as opposed to tiny in the individual bathroom by 1 staff and the podiatrist is set up adjacent to the bathing room for a once a month visit.

This NH has a very energetic activities staff - they are always doing some sort of arts & crafts, Fiesta mini parade, Easter bunny visit, getting a scout troop over to distribute stuff. I'd love to have 1/2 the energy of the activities director.....Which is great as my mom will participate and gives her something new to complain about.

Regarding your mom and politically incorrect remarks/attitude, the staff has seen and heard it all before and worse. I have found they are totally understanding about this issue.
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Hi Joyce: I think you are doing all you can and I'm glad that you made the wise decision to stay in your home. I think the elder care nurse you hired was a great idea and can give you some great independent feed back. You said they are working on medication for the depression, anxiety, etc. Maybe when those kick in her behavior will improve. Keep us posted. Hugs, Cattails
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I agree with so much here. No one can make someone happy, and no one can make them choose options that allow for easier circumstances. It sounds like your Mom only has her sights set on something that never will happen: a return to independence and the capacity for independence. You ARE helping her the best you can. Maybe the next adjustment is in your view of what " success" looks like. A happy mom doesn't sound like a possible outcome, to me.
Sending so much love to all of us, and our cared-for-ones, to
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My situation is so similar and I could relate to all of the above posts. I'm not an only child, but brother passed away 9 years ago and sister lives 3000 miles away and rarely even calls my mother. So, I am in it alone too and live 100 miles from her. She is in a NH and I have had all I can do to keep her out of the mental hospital; which is where she almost ended up due to her behavior at the NH. She was threatening her roomate and bullying others.

I worked closely with the staff and she now has her own room and things are somewhat better. I know this is where she needs to be; but she will never be happy anywhere and lets me know continually how bad things are - it never ends. And I'm on the heels of my MIL passing away who lived with us with Alz. and I was her caretaker. That's another story, suffice to say the stress alone from her; which had a lot to do with her personality caused my health to deteriorate as well as my husband and my children were on the receiving end of her anger; and that makes me so sad. They are grown up, but living at home.

Sorry to go on so, but every post above really helped me today. Just knowing I am not alone and the words of others can be so powerful when you least expect it. Long story short, yes we are doing the most we can. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone and I'm so grateful for the unexpected words of comfort I found here today even though they were not meant for me. And, Joyce I admire all you are doing from such a distance; bless you and take care.
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I truly do understand what must be an overwhelming sense of helplessness concerning my mother. I moved my mom into an assisted living facility almost 2 years ago because my husband and I determined it wasn't feasible for her to live with us anymore because of medical needs and we have 2 young children to care for. It's taken me all that time to finally come to the conclusion that Mom was also a recluse who didn't like anyone and wanted to control her own environment, schedule, etc. I try and make short visits every morning to check on her and her basic needs are being met, she's clean and most importantly, she's alive. I almost suffered a nervous breakdown trying to make her happy and had to work thru my own guilt, resentment, etc., to realize that it's important for me to live as well. I pray you find peace, and find it soon for your sake.
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Joyce W ---I am in the same boat as you and many others. Love can't fix this probelm. I HAVE asked myself many times if I was in my mother's shoes would I want "this" and my answer is "HELLNO". WE know when a parent is MISERABLE FOR TWENTY FOURS HOURS OF EVERY DAY...The aides, nurses, and doctors do NOT know this, nor do they care. They have a job to do and they will do it - for anyone, anytime, anywhere, and for any length of time. You are doing the very best you can do for her, too bad we all are truly unable to provide them with a dignified and peaceful death at the point when they truly have no quality of life- not for one minute of one day. . That is what I pray for my mother, I don't know about anyone else. I do know that it is not an option in the U.S. and it SHOULD BE! Modern medicine can keep bodies alive for years and years. This is why I tell family and friends that I honestly PRAY my mother gets cancer! How horribly sad is that? As for not wanting anyone to touch her---that is VERY common where my mother lives (dementia care assisted living). Think about it----it's the "last " ounce of control she can have over her existence....do you blame her? A study was done asking thousands of elderly people what they were most afraid of, and the obvious answer should be "I am afraid of dying". The over-whelmingly REAL answer was : "I am afraid I will need help wiping my butt in the bathroom." and "I am afraid I will go to the bathroom in my pants." That speakes to the DIGNITY that the medical profession seems to disregard. God bless you Joyce W. it's heartbreaking and a helpless place to be right now. I know.
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Joyce, the only thing I can tell you is from experience, she wil have to be given something to knock her out. when she wakes and is upset at "being violated" tell her that this policy "being sedated" will continue unless she is able to cooperate. You know her better than anyone and you will be able to make her understand that. Sometimes you have to be tough and it hurts very badly. My mother is alot like yours. No amount of reasoning or trying to be delicate ever worked. She had to be told by myself and a nurse that she must bathe and allow cna's to help her or she would be sedated every time , she was also made aware that if she did not bathe and take care of herself she might get an infection that could possibly land her in the hospital. I love my mother so much and it broke my heart to get tough but sometimes it means the life and happiness of your loved one. I would exercise my right to find another Dr. for my mother if he is not giving her one on one care. Any dr. that is worth their salt as soon as they lay eyes on your mother would know there is a problem, he should be your advocate when you are not able to be there. She possibly could be standing her ground as far as being in a elder care home maybe she belives that as long as shes there she refuses to cooperate she will be allowed to go home , maybe if you made that clear to her (thats not going to happen) you might get some cooperation. I hope that this helps I know it hurts to have to put your foot down. But thats what I had to do and it worked. My heart and prayers are with you. Its not an easy job.
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