My Mom moved in with me and my husband when my only child was six months old. The doctor said since she had so much going wrong, she would need to have constant care. (Mom suffered from transient eschemic attacks (mini strokes), congestive heart failure, kidney and bladder disease, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, diverticulosis, pancreatitis and then the hospital dropped her and broke her hip forcing her to walk the rest of her life on a walker) I had been trying to get Mom to move in for several years before this because her health was deteriorating, but Mom was a very independent lady and wanted to do for herself as long as she could. I checked on her twice a day for the ten years before she moved in with me to be sure she was taking her medicine properly and to take her to the grocery store, etc. She also always went on vacations with me and my husband because I was afraid to leave her alone. It was actually easier for me once she moved in. However, she did need care around the clock and I had to quit my job to care for her and my newborn son. I asked my brother to help financially which he screamed at me he didn't have the money (his job paid $22+/hour) so that wasn't true. He was divorced (again) and has three children now 19, 27 and 39 so he was always paying out child support but he never saw his children after he divorced their mothers. I helped raise all three of his children, including having these kids live with me at various times. The 19 year old is still living with me so he can go to college on a grant because his father disinherited him. Now, out of the blue, my brother calls to inform us that he has two - three months to live (terminal throat and liver cancer from smoking and drinking all his life) and that he's put back over the years over $2 million for his three kids. He tells me, "oops, I forgot I was supposed to pay for mom, you can sue me, but I'll be dead before you get it, you're screwed". After Mom died, I had to file for bankruptcy because I had loans against my house for Mom's medical bills. (She was in the hospital 3-5 times a year for 10 years and her insurance just didn't cover everything.) I was also the only one paying for her meals, clothing, and all her other expenses. In the twenty years Mom was sick, my brother paid for ONE MEAL - that's it. He never took her to a single doctor's appointment, sat with her in the hospital, paid for her medicine, NOTHING. Instead, he sat at home and drank and smoked and neglected his mother and children. Mom died in 2004 at the age of 85 because I didn't have anything left to charge the treatments against. I was just wondering if I have any legal rights to reclaim half of the expenses Mom had? We all live in Tennessee within 20 miles of each other. I'm not expecting much, I don't want to be paid for my time or care given, nor do I expect him to pay for my lost wages for 10 years, but I would like half of the $200,000 that I spent out of pocket on Mom so my son (whose college fund was also used to help pay Mom's debts) could go to college. Am I being unreasonable in asking for him to finally step up and admit he needs to be held accountable?
If your brother is dying, it will come into question why you are just going after him financially now and not sooner. If he dies and you go after his estate, an attorney will bring up all the above questions as well.
Unless your brother was a power-of attorney in control of your mother's finances and he squandered them, then I do not see how there can be any legal recourse against him. Being a sorry person and legally responsible are two different things. I'm not even certain an attorney would even take this as a case because you were under no legal obligation to take your mom in (and neither was your brother). You took the moral high ground but there was nothing to make you take your mom in legally.
Personally, I would cut my losses, focus on my own children, have all others move out and wash my hands. Good luck.
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Did you know you could be responsible for your parents' unpaid bills? Twenty-nine states currently have laws making adult children responsible for their parents if their parents can't afford to take care of themselves. While these laws are rarely enforced, there has been speculation that states may begin dusting them off as a way to save on Medicaid expenses.
These laws, called filial responsibility laws, obligate adult children to provide necessities like food, clothing, housing, and medical attention for their indigent parents. According to the National Center for Policy Analysis, a conservative research organization, 21 states allow a civil court action to obtain financial support or cost recovery, 12 states impose criminal penalties on children who do not support their parents, and three states allow both civil and criminal actions.
Generally, most states do not require children to provide care if they do not have the ability to pay. States vary on what factors they consider when determining whether an adult child has the ability to pay. Children may also not be required to support their parents if the parents abandoned them or did not support them.
The passage of the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 made it more difficult to qualify for Medicaid, which means there may be more elderly individuals in nursing homes with no ability to pay for care. In response, nursing homes may use the filial responsibility laws as a way to get care paid for.
Here is the list of all states that require children to be responsible for their parents if the parents are unable to provide for themselves:
The New Old Age
By JANE GROSS
States With Filial Responsibility Laws
States with filial responsibility laws are: Alaska, Arkansas,
California, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa,
Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Montana,
Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota,
Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota,
Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, and West Virginia.
To look up the actual language of the statutes, here are the
citations:
1. Alaska Stat. 25.20.030, 47.25.230 (Michie 2000)
2. Arkansas Code Ann. 20-47-106 (Michie 1991)
3. California Fam. Code 4400, 4401, 4403, 4410-4414 (West 1994),
California Penal Code 270c (West 1999), California Welf. & Inst.
Code 12350 (West Supp. 2001)
4. Connecticut Gen. Stat. Ann. 46b-215, 53-304 (West Supp. 2001)
5. Delaware Code Ann. tit. 13, 503 (1999)
6. Georgia Code Ann. 36-12-3 (2000)
7. Idaho Code 32-1002 (Michie 1996)
8. Indiana Code Ann. 31-16-17-1 to 31-16-17-7 (West 1997); Indiana
Code Ann. 35-46-1-7 (West 1998)
9. Iowa Code Ann. 252.1, 252.2, 252.5, 252.6, 252.13 (West 2000)
10. Kentucky Rev. Stat. Ann. 530.050 (Banks-Baldwin 1999)
11. Louisiana Rev. Stat. Ann. 4731 (West 1998)
12. Maryland Code Ann., Fam. Law 13-101, 13-102, 13-103, 13-109
(1999)
13. Massachusetts Gen. Laws Ann. ch. 273, 20 (West 1990)
14. Mississippi Code Ann. 43-31-25 (2000)
15. Montana Code Ann. 40-6-214, 40-6-301 (2000)
16. Nevada Rev. Stat. Ann. 428.070 (Michie 2000);
Nev. Rev. Stat. Ann. 439B.310 (Michie 2000)
17. New Hampshire Rev. Stat. Ann. 167:2 (1994)
18. New Jersey Stat. Ann. 44:4-100 to 44:4-102, 44:1-139 to 44:1-
141 (West 1993)
19. North Carolina Gen. Stat. 14-326.1 (1999)
20. North Dakota Cent. Code 14-09-10 (1997)
21. Ohio Rev. Code Ann. 2919.21 (Anderson 1999)
22. Oregon Rev. Stat. 109.010 (1990)
23. 62 Pennsylvania Cons. Stat. 1973 (1996)
24. Rhode Island Gen. Laws 15-10-1 to 15-10-7 (2000); R.I. Gen.
Laws 40-5-13 to 40-5-18 (1997)
25. South Dakota Codified Laws 25-7-28 (Michie 1999)
26. Tennessee Code Ann. 71-5-115 (1995), Tenn. Code Ann. 71-5-
103 (Supp. 2000)27. Utah Code Ann. 17-14-2 (1999)
28. Vermont Stat. Ann. tit. 15, 202-03 (1989)
29. Virginia Code Ann. 20-88 (Michie 2000)
30. West Virginia Code 9-5-9 (1998).
State laws vary. however, law student Shannon Edelstone, in her
award-winning essay (cited below), studied all of the state laws and
found that most agree that children have a duty to provide
necessities for parents who cannot do so for themselves. The states'
legislation also gives guidelines to the courts, telling judges to use a
number of factors when weighing the adult child's ability to pay
against the indigent parent's needs. Judges, accordingly, have
considered such variables as the adult child's financing of their
child's college education, as well as his/her personal needs for
savings and retirement.
Sources: Filial Responsibility: Can the Legal Duty to Support Our
Parents Be Effectively Enforced? by Shannon Frank Edelstone,
appearing in the Fall 2002 issue of the American Bar Association's
Family Law Quarterly, 36 Fam. L.Q. 501 (2002). Lexic
I wonder for those parents who have been less than ideal and abusive or have ran through their money like water if adult children are able to legally sever all ties?
I guess my question should have been that my brother lied about his ability to pay, not only about Mom's upkeep, but he also lied to the court about his income to avoid paying his fair share of child support to the mothers. The reason I had the kids so much was because the mothers and children all lived below the poverty level due to my brother's lies about his income. He did that, and stiffed Mom, in order to keep from paying his ex wives any more than he absolutely had to. If he'd helped pay for Mom's care, he would have been forced to own up to his actual income (not to mention I think he lied to the IRS as well and didn't report the second income he had).
If your brother has lied to the court, that is perjury and my guess is, he would be accountable for that. The question would be however if they would send him to prison for lying under oath AND give you restituition or just send him to prison where he would probably die.
Also, it may be worth looking into just in case he is not dying of anything and is perfectly healthy. He may be doing a con again on you.
I think the question that would definately come up is why you have waited almost a decade after your mom's passing to file suit? I do not know if there is a statute of limitations on legal matters such as this but it may be worth looking into. Maybe an attorney that specializes in elder law could be of help.
When you asked your brother to help financially he screamed at you and claimed no money. That doesn't sound like an agreement. I don't see how you can try to force him now to do something he never agreed to. Does he have the money now, in any case?
It sounds like the only way you would get money now is through legal action. Have you discussed this with a lawyer?
I am very sorry that you did not have help all along. I wish that your brother had been able and willing to help you out. It is a regrettable situation, but I doubt that you have legal recourse here.
After you consult a lawyer, please come back and tell us what you find out. We learn from each other here.
Unikornfairy, if you go to court, it will be a he said-she said kind. A civil suit. To me, you took this on out of your conscience and love for your mother. You did it willingly. I cannot see how they can force your brother to pay up. As for using that law, I think it was for the medical institutions to go after the children. However, maybe a lawyer can tell you if you can use it too...Don't know.
What is it you would like from AgingCare members?
Thanks again for the help and for the kind words.
I am wondering how sound the filial responsibility laws are. Have they been tested in a court of law? I am just curious of where this stops? I mean with the longevity of life extending every decade, we could be to a point eventually where we are paying for parents and grandparents and children all at the same time. And outside of a child's college education and retirement what are other circumstances? I went to my state's website and it was pretty vague. I mean, if you have a mortgage and your own health expenses every month -- are you forced to bread and water while someone 85, 90, 100 keeps receving medication that is costing hundreds per month? My grandparents saved for decades and kept up costly insurance doing without to provide for themselves in their elderly years. My mom is doing the same. It is sort of the ant and grasshopper story -- where is the planning for old age? Why are we pushing a generation who is more than likely looking for work, paying off loans (be it student or mortgages) and punishing them for being born?
According to my state's website, my husband could face jail time if he doesn't provide for a womanizing gambler who has wasted a small fortune. Someone who looks at the nursing home staff as his personal slaves and insist everything be done for him.
I want to thank you for this thread because it has been an eye opener. I am convienced no one should go into caregiving without a lawyer present, epsecially if siblings are involved. No one should have to go through this and put their kids through this too. My husband and I said after our meeting with the nursing home next week, we are retaining an attorney to protect our interests and that of our young daughter. You have definately opened the eyes of one poster tonight and I thank you. I hope everything works out for you. Perhaps you will have peace when your brother passes.
While filial responsibility laws have rarely been enforced in the past, a recent case in Pennsylvania may indicate a new trend. In Health Care & Retirement Corporation of America v. Pittas (Pa. Super. Ct., No. 536 EDA 2011, May 7, 2012), the Pennsylvania Superior Court upheld a lower court decision which made the adult son of a woman who had received skilled nursing care and treatment at a Pennsylvania facility for a period of six months liable for the $93,000 bill. The court concluded that the state did not have the duty to consider the woman's other possible sources of payment, including a husband and two other adult children, or the fact that an application for Medicaid assistance was still pending. Instead, since the facility had adequately met its burden of proof that this particular son had the means to pay the $93,000 bill, the trial court was correct in holding the son responsible for paying it.
This Pennsylvania case demonstrates the importance of long term care planning from the perspectives of both elderly parents and their children. Without proper planning and legal advice from an experienced elder law attorney, children may very well be on the hook for thousands of dollars of care required by their aging parents.
Am I understanding that correctly?
And your state is on that list?
Dang. What a jerk. Sorry.
I'd say...find a lawyer, you can get free advice even on line...find out if criminal or civil is the better court for your issue...and if not criminal, or if you want to avoid those particular consequences you mentioned for his kids...then still...why not sue him? You might win, might not, but personal injury lawyers often don't take payment unless they win. I am NOT the suing type. There are exceptions. For me, this would be one of them.
Good luck.
He's a user. I know that you're heart is ruling you to do all these for your brother. Have you ever even thought of talking to your brother from your heart on how much he has hurt you? All the things you both went thru while growing up, the struggles with caring for mom (financially and emotionally, etc..)?
I think you need to open up to your brother - and Try As Much As Possible Not to be So Emotional (guys tend to view you as hysterical if you are too emotional and won't take you seriously). In your conclusion, don't hesitate to tell your brother what you really think of him. "I hated you for doing this or that...I hated you when I reached rock bottom and this hurt my husband, children...etc... And despite all these terrible things that I suffered because you did not do your end as you promised, I still love you or care for you very deeply." That is if you still do. You might as well vent to your brother before he passes away. But if you think this will make things worse, please disregard my advice...since you know your brother better than me.
Get legal advice, if collecting is not likely, do not throw good money after bad. Court remedies are not fast or cheap, do not do this just on emotional principle, it may only worsen your position.
I think beating a cancer patient in court would be very unlikely.
If there is an inheritance of $2m for the 3 kids, since you helped raise them, maybe they will help with grandmothers past bills. Hope they took after their aunt.
Best Wishes to you,
L
Even at $22/hour and 2 divorces and child support, my brother lived in a three bedroom condo and owned two BMW's. Of course his money was tied up, he lived like a king while we struggled to support Mom (all her medical bills) me (and all my medical bills, I have a disease similar to Lupus which crippled me while I was caring for Mom) my premature son (diapers, baby formula, medicine for his undeveloped lungs - he still only has the upper 1/3 of his lungs that work and his esophagus and stomach hadn't fully formed) and my husband (who is diabetic). We did all this, and paid our house payment and Mom's mortgage payment on $2500/month. We drove used vans, he drove two BMW's, one the classic convertible, the other special ordered from overseas. He also had the second job that he hid from the courts in order not to pay the extra child support. This second job leased him a Jaguar that he still has, so he drove THREE cars. But again, every time I asked him to fork over some money, he was broke. Poor baby, living life as a pauper on the edge of a cliff driving Beamers and Jags while popping drugs, booze, smoking and dating strippers from the local strip joint. (Maybe now is the time to mention his second job was writing background music for porno films and yes, this is the God's honest truth, I've seen the check stubs and they're the ones who lease him the Jaguar.) I confronted my brother many times over the past 20 years reminding him of his responsibility and of what he was doing to my family. My husband also talked to him many times over the years, not just about Mom, but of neglecting his children. My brother always told us he was broke, just before he drove away in one of his luxury cars. We knew he was lying then, but he kept promising that he would come through when he was no longer paying child support. Well, I admit I was stupid and trusted him, thinking once he paid off his last child support payment he would start paying us back (like he promised) but that didn't happen and we've confronted him numerous times. He said he was in debt because he'd bought land in Mexico to retire to so he still didn't have the money. Yes, I should have sued him last year, I know that. I just kept hoping he was going to face up to his responsibilities. That was obviously a mistake. And I was willing to let it go, until he screwed me over with the inheritance. Now I realize he can't pay me back because that would mean he has to admit he was wrong all those years and he would have to die with that on his conscience. Well, I'm to the point I think he needs to die with that on his conscience.