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my mother refuses to use these and its becoming a big issue. ruining furniture, car seats,clothes, mattresses.. I have put pads on her underwear and she takes them off. saying she doesn't need them.
Oh my. I don't know all the details involving the EXTRA help the IL staff will provide for her, but I think I might look into the AL. They would encounter her resistance to the underwear a couple of times and then call her doctor and report that she is incontinent and resisting measures for toileting. I don't know what happens then, but at least the doctor will have direct proof from her care providers that this is a huge problem.
If she physically resists the AL staff in wearing the adult underwear, I'm not sure what they would do. I hope you can get some answers here from someone who has dealt with this. Keep checking back here for responses.
I suspect that they would put her in clothes that would prevent her from being able to take them off. I will try to ask the Memory Care facility where my cousin stays how they handle such things.
I would try to resolve this now, as if she continues this way and is bowel incontinent too, then you will really have a mess. This type of mess is common with dementia patients. I have known several myself who would deposit feces all throughout the house for some unknown reason. Their brain just doesn't let them know what they are really doing. They had to go to long term care.
Sunnygirl 1... they will assist.. for added money of course.. but she still fights with them. says she doesn't need any of that ... I have discussed with the dr about some of her issues. but face to face, she acts normal(?).. they only see slight mental decline. I tell them how she is with me. but they don't see that side. I've tried to get her into a Geriatric dr. but seems all drs. in my area are not accepting new patients. so I;m kinda stuck. she sees my dr. now. and I had to beg for that! getting very frustraited and annoyed. I have some pretty good health issues my self and its quite trying. my husband is a saint..
I'm wondering how the people at IL will make her wear the disposable underwear. Will they supervise her use of the underwear? I thought that IL did not provide any direct care of the resident.
Even if she puts on the disposable underwear, who is going to ensure that she changes them or cleans up after her? Does she use the toilet for bowel movements?
I would think that incontinence and resisting hygiene care, would be a very serious sign about her mental decline. Perhaps, you need a second opinion. Does she see a Geriatric doctor?
You say there are other indicators of a problem. Why not make a list of your observations and share it with her doctor.
I think I would try to get her into Assisted Living so they can supervise her. They will likely put the disposable underwear on her and not debate it. I've read about adult onsies that prevent the patient from being able to take them off, so the are not able to remove the underwear. I'm not sure if an assisted living facility would use those or not.
Go through her drawers and take out all her panties and replace them with the disposable underwear. Make sure you get the kind designed for active people that is designed to fit snugly under clothes, not the baggy bulky kind, even if they are cheaper. And buy washable furniture pads for the places she sits most often.
the dr says its age related memory issues. I think its more than that. she puts on a good front for people. we've talked to a psycharist, no help. fooled them pretty good. no allergies, a pad like tenna should not be an issue. but she removes them if I place them in her clean undies. and refuses to wear a "diaper". in an independent living center. so might have to resort to them making her.
Does she have an allergy to them or some reason that she finds them uncomfortable? Does she exhibit any other signs that she may have mental decline? Most people who don't have mental decline would not ruin furniture, clothes, etc. due to incontinence. I would discuss it with her doctor and see what might be causing this. Perhaps a consult with a psychiatrist might be helpful.
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
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We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
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APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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If she physically resists the AL staff in wearing the adult underwear, I'm not sure what they would do. I hope you can get some answers here from someone who has dealt with this. Keep checking back here for responses.
I suspect that they would put her in clothes that would prevent her from being able to take them off. I will try to ask the Memory Care facility where my cousin stays how they handle such things.
I would try to resolve this now, as if she continues this way and is bowel incontinent too, then you will really have a mess. This type of mess is common with dementia patients. I have known several myself who would deposit feces all throughout the house for some unknown reason. Their brain just doesn't let them know what they are really doing. They had to go to long term care.
Even if she puts on the disposable underwear, who is going to ensure that she changes them or cleans up after her? Does she use the toilet for bowel movements?
I would think that incontinence and resisting hygiene care, would be a very serious sign about her mental decline. Perhaps, you need a second opinion. Does she see a Geriatric doctor?
You say there are other indicators of a problem. Why not make a list of your observations and share it with her doctor.
I think I would try to get her into Assisted Living so they can supervise her. They will likely put the disposable underwear on her and not debate it. I've read about adult onsies that prevent the patient from being able to take them off, so the are not able to remove the underwear. I'm not sure if an assisted living facility would use those or not.