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Hospice has one function: to facilitate the dying process in order to save the government money. One way to achieve this mission is to administer morphine and other opium based drugs to expedite death (whether the patient is in pain or not). The doctor and nursing home turn your loved one's care over to hospice for euthanasia. The POA has no input into the patient's care once hospice takes over.
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Oh, no -- a conspiracy theorist. :-O
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Grieving, I'm sorry for your loss. Was it you who signed the consent for Hospice Care? When you sign on for Hospice, that organization takes over care; at least that is how it has been explained to me. But as POA, you are able to say, no, I no longer want Hospice Services, I want to call 911 and have Mom examined at the hospital, or whatever life-saving measure you want to take. You are then taking your L.O off hospice care.

The way it's been explained to me, by the Hospice that works at my mom's NH, she needs to be medically certified as being ready for Hospice, but that we can chose to discontinue Hospice service at any time. Her sister, my aunt, went on and off hospice for years, rallying when she was not expected to live several times.
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Babalou / Here's more detail of what happened. My mother's doctor is the medical director of the hospice he selected for her. AT the hospital, he told me that signing her up for hospice would ensure that she would receive better care by providing more nurses and aids at the nursing home. Later that day the hospice rep. comes to my mother's hospital room with a mountain of forms for me to sign. I wasn't told nor was I able to read what I was signing.

Her last day at the nursing home, I spoke to her doctor and asked that she be taken back to the hospital. He refused saying in a very belligerent tone that she was dying and that sending her back to the hospital would not do any good.

Later that evening I spoke to the hospice nurse by phone and asked about sending my mom back to the hospital. She told me that I was being selfish and wanted my mother to suffer so she could be with me.

Now thinking back, it seems that both her doctor, who was being paid by hospice, and the hospice itself refused or at least strongly discouraged taking my mom back to the hospital.

She died a few hours later. I have been in a state of extreme grief and emotionally distraught ever since.
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Grieving, I'm so sorry that this was your experience of Hospice. I personally have not had the hospice experience with my mother yet,but my aunt/cousin's experience was a much more supportive, comforting experience.

I don't have any great words of comfort other than "I'm sorry". I hope that you are able to find peace.
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Has OP has left the building?
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In all cases the patients comfort comes first and the family must understand that dying should not be evident to the patient and it is best for them to be comatose.
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Ages ago many people died very painful deaths and lingered on for months on end, which was horrible for the family to watch as usually they were the caregivers.

If younger and our grandparent(s) and/or parent(s) had a crystal ball to see into the future, I wonder if they would say "let me suffer a horrible death, give me nothing to reduce the pain, I want my love ones to see me whither in agony".... I don't think so. We, ourselves, wouldn't want that kind of death for ourselves.

I know for myself, it I was approaching death, make it as painless as possible, and make it quick.
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I don't think there is any easy way to die unless you are lucky enough to die in your sleep.

When my Mom was in the hospital during her last days I was amazed how a person could linger for so many days without food or water. As was explained to us if they gave her fluids she would be like a bag of water cause her kidneys were shutting down. She could not swallow and her living will had specified no feeding tubes or any artificial means to keep her alive.

So it seemed cruel and inhumane not giving her food or even water but what was the alternative. The morphine was probably the most humane thing they did give her at that point. At least she was not aware that she was starving.

I think it was harder on the people who loved her than it was on her. When deciding what to do for our loved ones maybe thats something to keep in mind.
What would you want if you were them, not what you want.
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I guess a lot of folks here are questioning if their loved ones are actually at the end of their lives. It CAN be ambiguous. My mom has been in granite health since her stroke/broken hip/ pleural effusion/chf two years ago. She's in a NH, gets pneumonia every few months. Over the summer, the pneumonia wasn't clearing up. We (at her behest)decidedly DON'T want her taken to the hospital and don't want heroic measures taken. The pneumonia gets treated in-house. But my sister in law, when things get dicey says "we don't want mom to feel like she's drowning" and "we should have her taken to the hospital so they can cure her". Somewhere, there is a disconnect in her understanding that mom is dying, and that the way to make in less painful FOR MOM is to get her on morphine BEFORE her lungs start filling with fluid. So, I get that there are lots of posters here know that their parents are dying, but who don't see that morphine might be a friend in the end.

They used to just show rosey pictures of childbirth, too. Life, death, birth; they are all messy and painful. I'm all for making things better through science.
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I agree Babalou. In my case hindsight is twenty twenty. At the time it was horrific
to me watching my Mom, knowing in her lucid moments which at the time were very few, that she was probably thirsty and so on. I would imagine her thinking why are they doing this to me. But in retrospect I don't believe she was thinking much of anything. However I was suffering big time watching someone I love wither away.

There is no easy way to let go of someone. She has been gone almost six mths. now and it still feels like it was just yesterday. I think they should have courses that teach people how to let go.
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This thread brought to mind a question that is important to me. Suppose someone has signed their advanced directives stating no heroic measures and no resuscitation. If their healthcare proxy believes that it may not be the person's wishes at the present time, can the proxy direct the hospital to ignore the DNR?

When my father died I knew that it was what he wanted. To resuscitate him would have been cruel. OTOH, my mother does not seem to be ready to let go of life. The trouble with advanced directives is that they are signed before the reality of the situation is at hand. People can sign them for a future time without giving it a thought. So there is the big question, if there are advanced directives that read no one should be able to contest them, should we try to go against them if we don't think it is what they want.

I guess we could just not tell the hospital that there are advanced directives unless we are sure.
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err... advance directives. I am always adding a d to it.
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dear confused, my mom died of Alz. in January of this year. Yes she was being given morphine to ease her pain, and she WAS in pain! My mom couldn't talk or do anything at all during the end-stage. It was up to us (my dad and I) to read the signs, to know she was in pain. Sometimes she would cry out when we had to move her to change her diapers and it was obvious that she was in pain....othertimes you could see it in her face and eyes. I'm glad she was on the morphine to ease her pain. It is NOT being given as a form of euthansia, it is used to relieve pain and suffering. As for the not eating or drinking....well that is normal for a dying person to refuse both as their systems are failing....she could not digest food any longer and if given water she either would leave her mouth open and let it run out or she would spit it out. Yes, it makes US feel better to feed and give them water, but for the dying it is not better. There are special 'lollipops' that you can use to refresh their mouths but nothing will stop them from dying. Those of you who have written in that are guilt-ridden over their loved ones not eating or drinking .....please forgive yourselves...you did nothing wrong. Death is Blessings, Lindaz.
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I'm very sorry for your problems,nurse 25 years& caregiver almost 15.I don't know who called hospice in.known fact they come in w certain meds designed to make patient comfortable.You can fire then idk your grandmother's quality of life I wish you well take care God bless
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waiting for flowgo now
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that should read - Death is not pretty and hard on all of us.
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It's interesting that you bring this up. My mom has dementia, but stills knows us and is lucid. A year ago, her heart started slowing down. Off to the hospital, and she had 3rd degree heart block. The upper and lower chambers were not communicating electrically. A pacemaker was the answer. We were told that this was no longer considered a heroic measure as it was years ago. We ended up asking mom if she wanted it, explaining the risks, and the discomfort it would cause short term. So unless your elder is totally out of it, it pays to recall (as I didn't in the midst of the crisis) that the medical POA is only operational if the person can't communicate, or is under anesthesia, or is so far gone in dementia that they are no longer in this reality.
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Grieving, why weren't you able to read what you signed? I've never heard of anyone making a statement to this effect. I do know that officials pressure people to sign, but everyone has the right to demand the time to read something before signing it.

And no one needs to be told to read anything before signing. This is in fact one of the problems with online shrink wrap agreements; people don't read the terms and conditions of websites they use.

If you were pressured, all you had to do was tell them to take a seat and you'll sign only if and after you've read everything. You have no legal obligation to sign w/o reading, and in fact it is your legal obligation to read everything you do sign. It's called "informed consent.

I do it every time and make people wait until I've read everything, regardless of whether they like it or not. If they make a remark about the time required for me to read everything, I hand them the papers and tell them I won't sign without reading.

We each have rights but won't enforce them if we allow ourselves to be pressured into signing something without reading.
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Kellse, shush, please! Hopefully FG is still on the other hospice thread and hasn't discovered this one.
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I'm with you Garden Artist. I hate it when someone shoves a form in front of me and says sign here. Ah excuse me, I ain't signing anything until I've put my reading glasses on and read everything, especially the small print.
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It sounds to me like the hospital has offered two protocols of care for your Grandma #1 Hospice or #2 Palliative Care.
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We all know that pneumonia starts the downward trend and I agree that the timetable for morphine is approaching. What a sorry mess we are all in to watch our loved ones drive forward to the end of the road. Weeks before my wife asked me if she was dying and of course my response is not I on my watch I will not let you go. Then I left the room and months later I am still crying.
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Grieving - I do think it a conflict of interest that the Dr who sent your Mom to hospice had a financ ial interest in the same. However, my understanding is that hospice companies are paid a flat daily fee for their services, whether provided in a NH, at home or another location. There is FAR more $$$ to be made in providing useless medical services to elders, because there is no cure for old age. This is why the great majority of people spend the most on health care in the last 2 years of their lives. Here are 2 studies:

forbes.com/sites/michaelbell/2013/01/10/why-5-of-patients-create-50-of-health-care-costs/
which states, "According to one study (Banarto, McClellan, Kagy and Garber, 2004), 30% of all Medicare expenditures are attributed to the 5% of beneficiaries that die each year, with 1/3 of that cost occurring in the last month of life."

AND from this link:
cbsnews.com

"Every medical study ever conducted has concluded that 100 percent of all Americans will eventually die. This comes as no great surprise, but the amount of money being spent at the very end of people's lives probably will.

Last year, Medicare paid $55 billion just for doctor and hospital bills during the last two months of patients' lives. That's more than the budget for the Department of Homeland Security, or the Department of Education. And it has been estimated that 20 to 30 percent of these medical expenses may have had no meaningful impact. Most of the bills are paid for by the federal government with few or no questions asked."

I sympathize with you for your loss, but you must come try to come to terms with the fact that your mother could not live forever and is now in a better place.
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The way I perceive this is that hospice did the SAME to my dad. I AM in medicine and told them NO morphine at aqll as it will reduce his respiratory rate and 10 minutes after I left him they gave him morphine and within 20 minutes he passed. I do NOT give a hoot of what anyone says that they know they want to die. BULL!!!!!!!!!! I think hospice (some) decide it is the time and I went through the same thing. One day my dad was drinking soup and the next semi-comatose from the meds. And he NEVER came out of it and the hospice nurse told me oh he will be awake tomorrow and he never woke up!!!!!!!!! I HATE them!!!!!!
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I have been fighting a losing battle on the morphine addiction by doctors who OD patients to hasten death, Thanks for supporting my many statements on this and other blogs but all think I am out of my mind on this subject. Experience is the best teacher.
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There is NEVER a losing battle. I thought so too but have a fantastic attorney working with me to go after hospice for morphine and adivan overdoses. NEVER EVER throw in the towel. You have been dealing with the wrong people. They will NEVER admit to wrong doing. My lawyer is excellent and unfortunately went through almost the same nightmare with his 'x' mother in law with morphine overdose that also killed her. And a lot of his clients who have had family members die from the morphine given without permission. Please Do NOT give up so easily. I'm NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dr. Blonde keep on fighting I am 96 and carrying on with my advocacy and your zeal is welcome. My wife broke her hip years back in terrible pain and they OD on morphine she never recovered her faculties properly and drifted into AD, I have been preaching the elimination even to my professional family who think I am not competent to blame morphine for her early onset. Can we communicate privately I am in a WashDC Virginia suburb.
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My aunt, age 97, died 5/31/15. She died from CHF. Around 5/1, she must have had a stroke or something because she slept up to 20 hrs/day. She was on no meds. Her head was bent forward. She said it was easier to breathe. She started losing her appetite. She said the only thing that tasted good was water. I asked if she was dying I was told no. I Googled Hospice and her symptoms were in the 1-3 mo prior to death range. She continued to decline. We called in Speech Therapy to eval her eating and swallowing. Her Living Will papers said no invasive measures so no feeding tube or IV. The doc ordered high calories Ensure. I knew her symptoms were shutting down. No one validated me til three days before. No one mentioned Hospice til 2 days before and that was one of her caregivers. I had negative feelings about them, but by the early morning of 5/31, she could no longer drink due to choking. She could still drink the say before. I told her nurse to call Hospice as she was thrashing around in bed (she was sideways across the bed) and she said she was in pain. It was Sunday and the doc was unavailable til early afternoon. Finally the nurse gave her a shot of Ativan at 1:30 to calm her. She fell asleep and died with me, her two caregivers, the one's 4 yr old and her former home care nurse holding her hands and knees. She breathed less and less til her last. Hospice showed up after she passed. I wish I had said to call Hospice sooner so she wouldn't have had to suffer. Now I advocate for people to call Hospice. My aunt was dying. Blood tests showed very bad CHF and her kidneys were failing. Hospice care would not have caused her to die.

The nurses said later they did not say anything about her being in the dying process because they did not want us or her to lose hope. We were still trying things 3 days begore.

Please do not be afraid of Hospice or morphine. If she is actively dying, it's best she be comfortablem
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LME, what a sad story. They did not want you to lose hope, yet the poor woman was 97 years old! We need a little more truth telling about dying and our final months and days, instead the process is often shrouded in mystery, leaving loved ones in denial and with unfinished business.
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