My dad is 57 and has some health issues. He does need help doing some things, but I honestly think he "milks" things to get more attention & so others will do stuff for him. I probably wouldn't feel this way if it hasn't been going on for my entire 33 years of being on this earth.
We lost my mom when my sister and I were only in middle school. After she passed, my sister stepped up and played the mama and sister role. She done everything she could for my dad to help & it got to the point he expected it. (He wasn't sick at this time.) Once she was able to work, she got a job & worked to keep our house going & make sure the bills were paid. She had to grow up way too fast & it's not fair. Growing up without our mom was very hard. Dad was very tough on us. We literally had to do everything for him.
I lost my sister about 7 years ago. I'm married & we have a young child together. My dad is having some health issues & is on Home Health.
I often think he makes things out worse than what they are. Don't get me wrong, I know he struggles sometimes but I don't think it's as bad as he lets on ALL the time. I take him to all of his doctor's appointments which requires me to get off of work. I even have to go help him pay his online bills. If doesn't know how to do something, he has me to do it for him. He expects me to drop everything I am doing & be there Johnny on the spot when he needs something. Even something simple like if he doesn't feel like going to his mailbox. (Let me add, he has a scooter that he can use to go get his mail & in fact, I believe he could even walk but chooses not to.) He will sit on his porch & ask his neighbors to bring him his mail.
My husband & I were going in once a week to help him clean up his apartment because he says he just couldn't do it. He made no effort to even try & pick up after himself. There would be trash in the floor that he dropped & wouldn't even pick up. I think he sensed I was getting irritated with it after he asked my 8-year-old son to clean up some of his bathroom mess. From that point, he said he would start doing what he could & if he needed help he would call me.
But he hasn't asked for help yet cleaning yet. All he does is make comments to me & make me feel bad about it. We would see him 2 times a week & I would talk to him 5 days a week for an hour & a half each time but yet it was never enough. He makes comments like, "You're going to regret not spending all the time with me that you can" or "God expects you take care of your parents & not run off & leave them". Just all kinds of comments that always gets to me.
I took a week off of work to spend time with my son & told my dad I had one day that week I could do for him but all he did was make comments that I didn't have time for him. He made the comment to me on Christmas day that he had no family left..all his family was dead. When I questioned what about me & his grandson, he replied with "Like I said, all my family is dead". That really hurt my feelings.
I go visit him but dread going because he always wants me to do something. Even if it's send a text message to someone. I'll be at his house & he will hand me his phone, "Here, text Larry for me & tell him I need him to call me." or "Here, read this for me & tell me what it says." Stupid stuff that he can do himself, but he chooses not to. He wants everything done for him & done right then. & God forbid I tell him no..."You don't love me anymore?" so there goes the pity, guilt stuff again.
It's a revolving door. I do so much but it's never enough for him. I can never please him. Apparently, he thinks I don't love him. He can do so much more for himself, but he uses his health issues to get what he wants.
This is only the beginning. He is stressing me out so much & my husband wants me to just walk away & not help him until he realizes all I am doing, but I want to do the right thing by being there. I have health issues of my own & can't keep this stress up.
From in your gut *dread* is your body sending you a message. What is it telling you?
OK sounds a bit hippy.. but I have felt this dread before. Looking back, it was a really useful message.
Can you read this & tell me what it says?... Can you pass me that?.. I have a little job for you.. I thought you'd like to...
All.Day.Nonsense!
You suddenly say Holy Servitude Batman, what is going on here? Is this laziness, actual need or has this person become a control freak?
I used to visit a family member frequently. Social visits slid into work visits. Fine. I am happy to help but 'help' slid into EXPECTED.
It was hard to call out the BS from the tasks I knew DID need help with as there were real medical & physical disabilities.
Try going for a visit & just observing. See what clues you find in Dad's behaviour.
Is he struggling physically, low O2 etc. Is he thankful for tasks you do?
Does he ASK directly for help? Or just HINT?
Does he get a gleam in his eye when he HINTS & you leap to & DO?
What happens when you challenge him?
My person asked for a tissue. The box was within reach, so I said so. I got a sour reply "but I want YOU to give it to me".
My eyes were then open. This was mental illness or personaility issues. This was testing the limits of their new-found 'servant'.
My learning how to say NO commenced.
** I am not your Maid **
Start practicing this with haste.
He fusses because I never come to just visit. Well, how am I supposed to when it's constantly being asked to do something for him...LITERALLY! & I don't mean one little thing here and there.....it's constant.
He does struggle with his O2 getting low sometimes and I completely understand needing help when that happens. But he can send his own text without his O2 dropping. I questioned him one day as to why he couldn't do certain things while sitting. He told me his O2 drops, and he can't breathe when he moves his arms. Do you think that is a fact possibly? Because I feel like he's making it up.
Sometimes he hints and if I don't "take heed" to the hint, then he will bluntly ask me and say, "I've tried to drop hints, but you don't seem interested in helping". Sometimes he will ask directly also.
I've been helping him for the past several months put on his Dexcom for his diabetes. He will either show up at my house randomly wanting me to put it on or he will text/call and say, "My Dexcom needs changing. I need you to come over before this time." & Sometimes he will ask and be nice about it. It's just a mix and depends on his mood.
Anyways my point, I've asked him why he can't do it himself and he says because he can't see the back of his arm to do it. (He's a bigger guy.) I showed him a way to do it, but he said no that he couldn't. Well, while I was over there last week doing it, I told him the device wasn't working properly and I couldn't do it. He gets it from me and pops that Dexcom right on all by himself! I said look you can do it!! He responded with, "Yea, but it hurt my shoulder having to reach over like that."
See, it's little things like that that make me truly wonder even more if he's milking things to get me over there.
And if he needs something done like putting together something, he'll say he needs my husband to come help him do something. My husband gets upset and says, "No, he doesn't need help. He needs me to do it for him." Because he never helps physically, just sits and barks orders and tells him how to do it.
He even said something to me about how my husband was mopping his floor. Said he didn't do worth a flip. But there was nothing wrong with the way he mopped. It looked fine! When I told my husband what he said, he refused to go back and mop anymore. He should have been grateful we were helping instead of complaining about it.
STOP feeling sorry for someone who is so selfish and doesn't reciprocate.
You have to STOP being his "On Call Free Slave." Otherwise he will ruin your marriage next. He has the nerve to tell you that YOUR husband CONTROLS YOU too much? He is the one controlling YOU! Does he even offer you gas money?
I'd be reminding him you have a full time job, and your priority is to your husband and son (you made marriage vows before God), so you need to spend more time with your own family, instead of being his unpaid slave.
Suggest it's time for him to start looking into some type of Assisted Living place. He will fit right in and love it....with 3 meals/snacks daily, his dishes done, housekeeping, laundry service and transportation provided. He will have paid helpers to wait on him daily. He will have activities and not have to do any work!
If he cries "broke" then help get him on Medi-Cal (which he probably already has), so he can get into a Board and Care home, or AL place. He should be in AL anyway, since he clearly needs CONSTANT assistance for everything, every day. He can't deny that - right up his alley!
Your TRUE moral obligation is to take care of you, your husband and son! He isn't financially supporting you, so you owe him NOTHING. You have enough responsibility to handle, besides kissing up to a lazy old man who has NO RESPECT for you. He is just lazy and an expert at manipulation. It works well for him, right? Why should he change when he has it made?
What if you get sick, or have an accident? Then who will be his "on call" slave? All the time you spend waiting on him YOU WILL NEVER GET BACK.
Nice try with the "honor your parents" Bible routine. Think about this...did he do everything (you now do) for his elder parents when he was younger? I bet he did nothing. Why exactly should you feel guilty?
Don't worry about his funeral. If it comes up, tell him you can't pay for it, period. It's not your problem. Tell him you and hubby are smart enough to have life insurance for yourselves.
Bottom line, you have your own family and responsibilities. Do you want a divorce, since he has a history of causing them? Start cutting back on so many calls, be too busy to run over, and when he tries to hand you his phone, put your hand up and say, "No, you can do it yourself." Turn and leave quick, with excuses, "Got to get groceries/have dentist appt/need to pick son up" and GO!
The stress you have from Dad will eventually cause health problems. You have been given good advice by others here. Listen to it!
But I know I'm the only one who can put a stop to it. I shouldn't complain if I'm not going to change it, right? It's just difficult with it being my only living parent.
All that time I'll never get back is SO true! I cried on my husband's shoulder after reading all of these helpful answers. It just really opens my eyes. I guess somewhere inside of me I was hoping maybe I was just overreacting but now I truly don't think I am.
I surely don't want my marriage ruined. My husband gets so mad at him but I'm thankful he's been by my side.
Trying to leave when I'm at my dad's is hard! I'll say 500 times that I have to go but he keeps talking. I even make my way to the door, and he still talks. My husband told me that I need to just walk out when I tell him I'm leaving, even if he keeps talking. It's to the point if my husband is in the car while I run in to do something for dad, I'll tell my husband to call me in 15 minutes if I'm not back. I shouldn't do that because then my dad gets upset when he calls and makes comments like, "The warden is calling. You better go. I can't imagine living life like that. Must be miserable."
So there, I've put my husband in the middle of it without him even knowing and feel terrible. I don't tell my husband the comments he makes but I'm pretty sure he knows.
Yes, the stress has caused me health problems. When I went several days without talking to him after he made a rude comment to me that really hurt my feelings, I was stress free! Then he called one day randomly and got me upset because he was whining about his mail not being checked. I asked him why he didn't follow through with having his mail put on his porch. He said, "I ain't fooling with that crap! It's just a headache and I don't need people nosing around my apartment." I became stressed in an instant because he doesn't want to go get his mail, yet he won't follow through with having his mailbox on his porch to make it easier. He wants people to do it for him and it's ridiculous. I quit going over there just to check his mail for that simple reason!
While I wasn't talking to him for a few days, once he called me for help - his comment was, "I'm nothing but a pest that calls at the wrong time when I need something or just want to talk. I seem to be an inconvenience no matter when I call you so I decided that I won't keep calling and bugging you. If you really care about how I'm doing, then you will pick up and call me yourself." The guilt trip...again.
Reading the response that you made to Lea says it all for me.
I get that you care about your dad’s well being and all, but I am sure that you can see that your dad is a master manipulator.
I hope that you won’t mind if I point out a few things and offer some ammunition to fire back at your dad the next time he says certain things to you. Don’t allow him to bully or intimidate you. You deserve to be treated with respect.
You say that your dad isn’t “very religious,” but he does believe in “the good Man above” and that your dad says that you are “biblically responsible” for him. That’s hogwash! The “good Man above,” doesn’t call you to be anyone’s doormat. Nor does He say that a married woman should place her father before her husband.
So, basically your dad is using God and the Bible to shame you and get his way.
He’s picking random scriptures to suit his narrative. Beat him at his own game if you wish or ignore him altogether.
When your dad says that you biblically owe him, tell him to read, Ephesians 6:4. Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger by the way you treat them.
Your dad wants you to take care of his funeral arrangements according to what he wants but doesn’t have the money for you to carry out his plans. This is his responsibility, not yours.
If you choose to help him look for insurance that is up to you. Do not pay a fortune for the funeral that he wants out of your own pocket. Since he doesn’t want to be cremated then give him the option of donating his body to science.
Plus, how dare he tell you, “You can’t come over here because your husband is controlling you. You spend too much time with him and that isn’t good.” I am shaking my head about this remark!
Tell him that HE is trying to control you and that you make your own decisions in life. Say that you will spend as much time as you like with your husband and that it is none of his business!
I am truly sorry that you are in this situation. It sounds absolutely miserable.
Wishing you peace as you figure out how to deal with your dad. Stand up for yourself.
No one would blame you for walking away from this misery. Maybe if he spent time alone for a while, he would learn to appreciate you more, should you decide to continue to help him on your terms.
I didn't think about donating his body to science. I will mention that to him!
I feel like everyone would be upset with me if I walked away. I have no doubt that he bad mouths me to his friends. He's done it before in a completely different situation when he was living with us before he got sick. It was supposed to be only for a few months until he got a camper. He wanted to sell his house and live in a camper, so he sold the house and got a camper but never moved into it. It stayed in our backyard untouched for months. Until my husband got tired of him not doing anything and told him he had to leave but could stay in the camper in our yard. OHH MY GOSH the guilt he threw on me then for not standing up to my husband. He told everyone we kicked him out with nowhere to go. He ended up living out of his truck for a while and blames a lot of his health issues on that now. It was constantly thrown up in my face until I told him he had to see our side of it. Anyways, that's a different story for another day.
I am 57. I have diabetes and lung issues. And I CONTROL those health conditions. I control them through diet, and exercise, and medications. I control THEM so they don't control ME.
My husband has more health conditions than you can shake a stick at. He controls THEM, the same as I do. So they don't control HIM.
Your dad is a USER. He is USING his conditions to control YOU and your behavior. Unless he is bedridden from COPD, there is absolutely NO REASON why he can't pick up his own garbage and pay his own bills online! None!
If your dad wants to let his health conditions control him, rather than him controlling them, that's his option. DO NOT let HIS health issues control YOU for one minute more! And do not spend one IOTA of time feeling "guilty" or "bad" or "disloyal" for this.
There is no excuse for his behavior; don't make one up for him!
I have a name for the behavior your father is engaging in. I call it abusive neediness and it must be ignored.
My mother is very much like your father with the learned helplessness and milking the tiniest of health ailments. She's old now but did this her whole life. She always ends up disappointed and angry because no one. least of all me, will ever or has ever 'babied' her.
I was a an in-home caregiver for 25 years. I never 'babied' an adult and never will.
If your father is capable of doing for himself, he must be forced to. Do not enable him to become a mentally incompetent invalid wallowing in his own self-pity.
When the guilt-tripping starts up tell him to shove it and walk away. You'll be doing him a favor.
If you care about your father you will not 'baby' or enable him to become an invalid who has to be waited on hand and foot. If he can do for himself, he must be forced to.
It very sad that she feels horribly when her father tries to shame her for not doing more.
Her dad is the one who should feel ashamed of himself for asking her to do things that he could do himself.
WHAT health issues does he have?
He has never been happy and never been happy with YOU.
Why would you continue to knock yourself out, is my question, instead of moving away, moving on with a quality life?
You mention guilt. That's inappropriate. You were an abused child, not a felon.
You didn't do anything to create your father's problems and you aren't responsible for fixing them.
Parents are responsible for their children.
Children are not responsible for their parents.
Children are not responsible for their parents." That really stood out to me!
I needed that, thank you!
Seems to me you don't owe him a thing. No child of 13 or 14 should take on the responsibilities of an adult. Your Dad will do what ever he can to get away with things. When he handed you the phone to text his friend, you should have said "your capable of doing that yourself". Then walk away. Look at it this way, by doing things for him that his perfectly able to do for himself, you are disabling him. And it will get worse. What I would do is this "Dad, you are very capable to do things on your own. I will no longer be doing them for you. If you don't start doing things on your own your health will get worse. If it worsens, I cannot care for you. So that means a NH. At ur age ur a little young for a NH."
I had a Dad like yours and my Mom took care of him. At his beck and call. He retired at 52 with heart disease and diabetes. He could walk but not for long. I took him to a Dr where you needed to use an elevator. From the car to the lobby he had to sit. Almost fell in the elevator. TG the doctor's office was only a few feet away. I told him next time u use a walker or I am not taking you. He used the walker. Its OK to tell Dad what you will and won't do.
Its OK to assert yourself. Look at it this way, he really needs u more than u need him. And talking the phone does not need to be an hour and a half. Pick a time of day convenient to you. Lets say 7pm before u sit down to watch TV. Just a call checking up on him. If he says I need this or want that...if he can do it for himself, tell him. If u can do it, its in ur time. And if it can wait for ur weekly visit then he waits. Treat him just like the child ur raising. I would also tell him that u will clean up his mess one more time. The next time if the apt is messy, you will leave. Just like when ur 8 yr old does not clean up his room when asked. There are consequences. You work, u have a child and a husband. Your hands are full. You don't need a parent who can care for themselves and won't.
I wonder why people get this way and expect so much from their family? And then guilt them constantly. It's exhausting and I just don't understand.
I really appreciate your words and guidance!
Now “I” am 57, and I have some health issues (you didn’t say what your dad’s are). But I work and care for my 83 y/o mom in hospice. I would suggest you back WAY off and focus on your 8 y/o son. Especially since dad said he doesn’t have any family anyway. What a slap in the face!
The more you read this forum you will see that people are caring for elders in their 90’s and beyond. Dad could be around for a long time, and might really need help one day. Don’t burn yourself out now when he can care for himself!
He has Diabetes & Lung Disease.
I know it’s hard sometimes for him to breathe but sometimes he does stuff no problem when he doesn’t realize I’m watching. Then he can do the same thing if sees I’m watching & he acts like he can’t catch his breath. Again, I know he does struggle sometimes but I also know how he is & has been my whole life.
When he really needs me, I’m not going to believe him & that’s sad!
He makes remarks that he won’t be here in another year but again, he’s said that for as long as I can remember without serious health problems.
Side note, he has always been there for me when I need him so I can’t say anything negative on needing him. But I have a husband & don’t need him as much. He just expects too much out of me.
if he says he has no family, let him see what it is like to have no family!
Stop running to his rescue. I swear my father would make up a crisis just to get me to come over. Stop jumping when he snaps.
here is the plan. Decide what you are willing to do and do only that. 2 phone call a week and one 4 hour visit every other week to take care of some things. If he complains that it isn't enough remind him of the Dead Family comment or ask him if you need to look into assisted living facilities for him because this is all he is going to get from you in the way of assistance. Why would you feel guilty telling someone who is mean to you NO?
I think it's so hard to tell him no because he is my dad and it's just a respect/parent thing, if that makes any sense. Probably doesn't because if he isn't respecting me, why should I respect him? But mama always said 2 wrongs don't make a right. Ahh!! I'm just so frustrated, confused, and quite honestly, I'm scared to stand up to him and mean it because if he dies, I will feel terrible thinking he died while he was upset with me. So much going through my head that shouldn't even be.
With people like this, no matter HOW much you do, it's never enough and they'll take every opportunity to let you know that your best efforts have fallen short. That you're worthless. So why bother? My mother was like that, and it took me decades to stop jumping thru fiery hoops to please a woman who would not BE pleased. I finally stopped trying, and putting myself thru the torture.
Set down some hard boundaries with a 57 year old man-child who CAN do for himself once you stop doing for him. Decide what day a week you'll go over there and how long you'll stay, what you'll do, and at what point you'll say ENOUGH and leave. Decide you'll spend 10 minutes on the phone with him a few days a week and that's IT. At his age, and with Home Health coming in, he needs yo do for himself or go into Skilled Nursing care with Medicaid. Period. Although I don't think laziness would qualify him for long term care.
Recognize what dad is doing to you and stop putting up with it. For all you've done for the man, you have nothing at ALL to feel guilty for, even though he's pulling out all the stops to MAKE you feel that way. Take care of you, your son and your husband and allow the man-child to take care of HIMSELF. It's time now.
Welcome to the forum. It's always a safe place to vent and get advice.
He has controlled me most of my life. I did hit an age where I put my foot down to him and wouldn't take his mess, but something changed in me when I had my son and I'm back to taking his crap. He will make a remark to me, and I fire back but he always ends up saying more hurtful things or I feel terrible for what I said.
He has run off most of friends because the way he acts and how he treats them. Then complains that since he's sick and "has no money" that nobody cares about him now. He caused my sister's marriage to be ruined and they divorced because dad wouldn't stay out of their relationship and her husband got tired of it.
I just want to honor my mother and sister and do the best I can for him. I wonder if they were here now what they would do. He's even made comments to me in the past that if my sister was here then he wouldn't be in the situation he is in. Take about a low blow...thanks dad!
And he is not a very religious man but does believe in the good Man above. However, he always makes comments to me about how I am biblically supposed to take care of him because he is family and I need to honor him.
He gets in my head too much. My husband is so upset about it and doesn't want much to do with him anymore which makes it harder on me.
Then I always hear my dad saying, "You can't ever come over because your husband controls you too much. Y'all need time apart. Too much time together is not good for y'all".
There is no winning with him. I want to change things and put my foot down but the way he makes me feel guilty, if something were happened to him, I don't know if I could live with myself at the thoughts of him dying thinking I don't love him or wasn't there when he needed me. We are already having a battle because he doesn't life insurance and expects me to sale his truck when he passes to pay for his funeral bill. I keep telling him that it takes time to sell a vehicle and the funeral home is going to want their money before the truck sales. And who knows if I'd even get enough to cover his funeral. I've tried telling him he needs to look into getting life insurance policy but he either wants me to look and call around for him or says he can't afford. But he refuses to take the cheaper option of cremation and told me I better not chose that route for him. So here I'm stuck either just looking for him a life insurance policy or paying for the funeral myself all because he won't do it himself.