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50 ways to leave your mother… We had a sketch show TV series called (ironically) Goodness Gracious Me which was put together by Asian-heritage performers, and they did exactly that spoof on 50 Ways: the first line was "fail an exam, Ram…"

I'm not sure how funny my daughters' Indian school friends found that.
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Paul would pull out his Roman citizenship card and say, hey is this how you treat a citizen of Rome? While he did not have a card, he did use his Roman citizenship one time and on another time appealed to Ceasar in order to protect himself from upcoming harm that had been planned for him.

Claim your rights as a valuable person made in the image of God which means you have far greater value than a dog or any other pet or for that matter any animal.

You have a lot of things to keep up with on your plate indeed. Try to guard your heart and mind against negative self talk like "I'm Pathetic" You are not pathetic.

You are fighting something that is not your fault, that you were groomed for and was done unto you by someone you trusted, but now you see they invalidated that trust by invalidating your right to be an unique, separate, and competent on your own adult person! So, like Paul, protect yourself!

Next time your mom goes off into one of her tirades, try thinking to yourself but I would not say to her, "Self, this is how a person treats another person and self this is not how a healthy mother treats a child of any age" while quietly and calmly just walking away."

Like a song by Paul Simon says, "just slip out the back jack, make a new plan stan, don't need to be coy roy, just get yourself free, Hop on the bus, Gus You don't need to discuss much, Just drop off the key, Lee And get yourself free, "

There must be 50 ways to leave your mother when she's not acting like one!
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You are NOT pathetic. You were trying to be a good daughter, and if your mom was still a good mom it would have worked, and you would have never had to get into this. It is NOT easy to know when to give in to a request that might be reasonable from some different perspective than your own, and when "tough love" is called for. Rule of thumb, don't keep doing something that's killing you, or just can't be done. Trying to make Mom happy may be both of those things if she is bound and determined not to be. Ask your Christian daughter what St. Paul would say!
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Jeweltone accomplished so much. So can I. But it has been a truly yucky day. I am done for tonight. Thanks for reading all of this stuff.
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I AM pathetic. I can hardly stand even reading what I wrote, I will get better. Please keep hanging in there with me!
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CMagnum--You are so right about this being the hardest thing in the world. I will try to keep my eye on the seemingly remote possibility that I can have joy in my life and even freedom. Today was hard with my husband's tongue biopsy. It went well but we still have to wait for the results. The doctor said there was scar tissue from a long-ago tonsillectomy that might have caused the symptoms. I am hoping so! In the meantime, my mother was oh-so-concerned about my husband right after the surgery but now she is angry with me--cold so to speak--probably because I got frustrated with her when she started talking about her life being a black hole and how she will never find a dog. I just couldn't deal with her narcissism effectively today.

Vstefans--I keep thinking I can be nice and meet her needs and give her the love she seems to need but it is slowly killing me. I have been remarkably, impossibly flexible. I am losing my friends over how flexible I have been in trying to meet her ever-changing needs. You are right,I have been misleading myself. So sad but I am ready to try and make some real change--I hope. It is the hardest thing I could ever face. I have tried before and failed miserably. I honestly do not know if I can do it. I keep thinking that maybe I can continue this craziness until she passes away but I honeslty think she will live into her 90s and I don't wish her dead; I just wish she was different, and I wish I WAS DIFFERENT! I know it is me who needs to change--no one else will. I asked my daughter tpo pray for me. Although I am Jewish, she is a devout Christian! Her prayers have been helping, I am so blessed with so much. Two beautiful children and two beautiful step-daughters, 5 grandkids. I have to change--I just have to!
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njny1952,

You can change! It will be the hardest thing you have ever worked for, but you can get there. Try to keep focused on the joy of your own life that lays before you so that you can despise the pain that you'll go through to get there. In the process, remember to not despise yourself for not dealing with this sooner, but congratulate yourself that you have seen the light and are seeking to move forward.
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Most of us who thought we could get through life and relationships with other people just by being kind, soft-hearted, infinitely flexible and accommodating have had to learn otherwise. :-)
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Cmagnum--you are so awesome. Isn't it grand that we can lace in some humor when dealing with such overwhelmingly frustrating problems? Don't give up on me. I honestly, albeit naively, feel like I can change!
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" A whole new program that has an anti-whatever mechanism to negate the corrupt files!!! "

I love that. That's what dialectical behaviroal therapy do for some people that is now being used to help people beyond those it was made for. It helps people to use something called mindlessness when faced by triggers. I had a therapist who tried to teach me that, but I could never quite get it. She wanted me to think of one of the most beautiful and peaceful places I've ever seen or been to. She did not want me to think of any good looking girls though ha, ha, Once I had the place in mind, she suggested I go there in my head whenever stuff from others just got to be too much and threatened to trigger some of my underlying anger. She was doing that one on one. It probably works better in a group.

While you are trapped, realistically you are the only one who can change. You can stop dancing with your mother in that emotional dance that she taught you the steps to. You need your own dance that you dance your way to your own tune. This may well require stepping out of the mire to dance on a higher plane of life. There will probably be some mire dripping off of your legs and feet once you step up, but that will fall off along the way.

I wish you the best. Continue to be kind to yourself because no one will be as kind to you as you will. Take care and do something nice for yourself today.
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Thank you, thank you. Vstefans--I love the way you told it like it is! Your words are so helpful and made me smile for the first time all day! Cmagnum--you are onto something with the hard drive and fixed and perhaps non-repairable inner workings. I have to find another route. A whole new program that has an anti-whatever mechanism to negate the corrupt files!!!

I need you all to know that my mother does carry on about her dog and talks up a storm--she could talk all day--but much of this problem is ME and my seeming inability to let things go. At some level I do know that all of this is crap and she will be fine--angry and depressed maybe, but overall ok. I have to fix myself. Please know that I read these posts over and over again and it's keeping me hanging in there. I get four free visits from a shrink but I want to get my grandson back home and my husband over his biopsy and then I will go from there. I WANT TO BE HAPPY! I truly do. I hate feeling trapped and like I have no backbone. I am pretty frustrated with myself, but kind enough to myself to try and make things better. That is it in a nutshell--I feel trapped and I can blame my mother all I want but she is not goinbg to change, so I had better get on it. Thanks for your pateince and kindness. Thank you for helping me see a viusion of sanity!
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A queen of France once said something like, "Let them eat cake or something." Well, let your mom be dogless. There are worse things she could be without!
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njny1952,

I am sorry to hear you are on a roller coaster. Have you been able to meet with the therapist. It also may be necessary to increase some of your meds to give you more emotional equalibrium while you work through this situational depression and your mom dumping or threatening to dump guilt on you.

Remember, she groomed you for this. It's like a software program that's actually a virus inside the computer of your mind. The program either needs to be isolated into an anti-virus vault, incapacitated, or removed from the hard drive. The first two are more likely. It's been in there for so long, I'm not sure you can just clean it off and reboot. Please excuse the rather concrete analogy, but I think you get my point.

Hang in there. It will at times likely feel that your fingernails and our support is about all the thread you have, but we are here.
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njny, GO. This is crap and you know it and on some level your mom may even know it. She will not die of not having a dog. She will not die if you go away for two days or two weeks. She will eventually die of something, and though she may choose how happy she wants to be on this earth until she does, but she has no business pushing your buttons to make you share in her personal pity party. She keeps doing it because she knows it works on you. Either she thinks your unhappiness will somehow compensate for hers, or that your having any happiness in your life would leave her in the dust.

And if she DOES happen to die while you are away and she is dogless, it is still NOT YOUR FAULT that she could not choose to find her own happiness without torturing you by trying to make you responsible for it instead.
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Hi all--dang I am struggling again. My grandson is here and we (my husband, grandson and I) are hopefully going away for two nights. My mom is still without a dog and I am planning to go away as long as my husband is ok (biopsy tomorrow). But the GUILT. The implied threat. "if I don't get a dog soon, I will just go down, down, down." She is saying how she is just going to probably die and if I leave I am feeling this guilt. Whenever I leave she gets so despondent and depressed. But right now I am incredibly depressed. I know I must find the courage and know she will give me piles of grief, but it is so painful. I haven't been this depressed in years and years. I will re-read all you wrote earlier. I don't know why I move forward and then back up again.
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My doctor informed me many years ago, you are not insane if you can cook, clean, AND balance your checkbook. Just passing this on since I already spent my $300,000.00 on therapy.
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I am sane I am able to cook and cleanI am sane I am able to cook and clean I am sane I am able to cook and clean I am sane I am able to cook and clean
IM BLOODY INSANE and I don't want to cook or clean and my 'dear' cousin has had the bloody nerve to ring me today to tell me SHE (with dementia) thinks I (Probably without dementia) need to buck my ideas up and care for Mum properly. Well OK she has dementia so we will play the game....what do you think I should do first. Well your Mum is obviously lonely since your Dad died - term yes I can see that she would be but what do you think I should do about it?

Well why don't you marry her? Erm because she is my mother? Well after a tirade of abuse she slammed the phone down but I think I am her focus which is not going to be good. Her sweet sweet husband rang not 5 minutes later to apologise....no need I said and he giggled he actually giggled like a kid - He had the balls to admit he couldn't speak for hiding an all laugh when she suggested I marry Mum.

Dontcha just hate dementia?
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JudeA--wow. Hang in there. I know you deserve your own life but you are in a tough spot! I hope you can carve out some personal time for your own peacefulness and sanity every day. I will be thinking about you! You seem like you have a wonderful sense of humor and that should help!
Judda--I love that you and your mom have found something that works for both of you. It is so great when that happens.

I am hanging in there. I am so thankful for this discussion. I hope you all have a good Sunday !
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Do you have a Savers there? My Mom is 94 and very with it. She loves clothes and when she moved into an independent living apartment I took her to this Savers store where you can buy all kinds of used items: clothes, household stuff: it's like an ongoing flea market. So Mom thought this store was more beneficial on her mind and body (and getting exercise walking around this large store). We started calling it Dr. Savers! It saved our relationshop too. The mother daughter strain was eased by bringing her there and I had little breaks by going off on my own: first a little at a time and then for longer periods. She barely noticed my not being with her: she was having fun picking up items. Mom and I realized you can buy stuff and if you didn't like the item, donate it back to the store, then you get percentages off on your next (already cheap) purchase. That's how we ended up swapping out old stuff for better old stuff! We go there almost every week and include eating out or I make her lunch or supper.

Our closets and furniture have downsized and we had so much fun cleaning out our old junk. Now we have two separate apartments. I thank God I don't have to go through what you are living.

Find a million ways to take care of yourself and find something that pleases you every single day; while you are caregiving. My admiration and sympathy for your struggle.
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Moving? Put doubtful items in boxes, then in storage rather than discussing with the negative person. Not discussing something helps decrease stress. Remember, it is easier to apologize later than to ask permission. Moving is very stressful already, without having to sort thru a lifetime of stuff. Sort it all out later. Have Mum help pack the boxes by watching what goes into them? This may not work, depending upon her illness. Best regard to you and your Mum in your new apartment/flat.
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Rembering previous advice here on agingcare: It is the illness, not her. Try not to take it personal, but I know I cannot do that yet. Keep venting, that will help, plus the fact that there are too many people out loud wishing that No One on here dies.

Jude, keep hanging in there. Your Mum could not live without you!
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I think she is secretly hoping I do!!!
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In case someone *dies*..??!!

Question is, did *she* have anyone in mind? Hope you've got her good hat at the ready, too :)
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Can I heck as Like CM - she can't find her black coat (which incidentally I have packed not charitied) and she now wants me to fish it out in case someone dies. You really don't want to know what my first thought was because it's not big, its not clever and Im not proud of it.
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Unbelievably stressful task, Jude; but hey you'll be glad you got it done. In the end. Can you get her to focus on the favourite things she's still got?
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I do try to KAK but sometimes Mum manages to hit that really horrible button where you will do almost anything to stop it. With mum it is when she turns to nagging. Now I live in the UK and I live with Mum 24/7 so I am on hand a bit more than some.

I try to avoid additional pressure so I thought it would be a really sensible move to sell up and go to a flat(Apartment)!!!! Jings if only I had known the stress that would cause.

Well we sold our house, we have managed to find a beautiful apartment and it is stunning but now we need to downsize OBVIOUSLY.

I brought all Mums clothes down so that she could decide keep/ charity /dispose of. Easy peasy I thought. Oh heavens to Betsy - no it isn't. She got rid of 2 things the first time. Then constantly nagged and nagged until eventually I couldn't bear it any longer and in the second run she threw 4 things out. Well this has gone on for 4 weeks now - luckily moves in the UK take forever it seems.

The last attempt was 2 days ago and I got her to throw about 50% of her stuff - the charity bags were being collected Friday and so it was spot on timing - YAY...............so so wrong Oh jings now it is worse than ever because she just wants to 'check' she made the right choices....erm too late they have gone to charity Mum

It is 8:34 am Mum has been awake for 2 hours and she has asked to check 13 times so far and I want to scream....a lot

Right now I am hiding because I swear if she say she wants to check one more time I will have to walk away for at least 2 hours to get my sanity back
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Wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove. I will try and remember that one! Thanks!
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Sometimes when you are KAI, it might feel like your KA but actually you are showing more real and healthy love by not caving in. The queen may even try to shame you by saying you are KAing her when actually you are KAIing. Don't fall for the shame and guilt trap. Despise the shame game like that article I posted the link so advised. Be wise as a serpent, but innocent as a dove.
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Thank you, CMagnum! I want to KA! Actually, KAK--Kiss Ass Kindly! I have to find that balance where I address my provblem while still being reasonably respectful and kind. I do take Lorazapam, and that helps keep me more level than anything else I have tried. I don't take much--just enough to take the edge off. My primary care physician has been helpful. I learned that the counselor I was going to call is having a ton of her own personal issues, so I have to find out about some other good counselors. I am very grateful to you--you have steered me to some excellent bibliotherapy and I am reading -- so grateful!
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njny1952,

Good news! Try not to hate yourself for how you have been is how you were groomed to be and you are not at fault for that. You now have self awareness and see what is going on which is great!!! That is much further than many people ever get. Yes, it will be an up and down experience with a few steps forward followed by some backward, but overall making some progress toward the goal.

Probably an anti-anxiety med possibly would help you while you work through these other things which take enough emotional energy. This is one valid use of such meds because not everyone struggling with anxiety has an anxiety diagnosis. Their anxiety is dependent upon the situation. That is something to consider and ask your therapist about once you meet with them. Your primary care doctor should be able to prescribe you a basic anti-anxiety med.

Take care and keep coming back so that we can support you and know how you are doing! KA which stands for Kick Ass!
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