Follow
Share
Read More
Find Care & Housing
My mom has not been deemed legally incompetent. That takes months even a year in court. She is so manipulative that she can fool anyone into thinking she is just fine. She is much better as I have stated but she cannot take care of herself. If she were alone, she would go right back the way she was--unable to cook for herself and bathe. She would be come a mess once again, but she doesn't see that. I just know now she is safe and has people to look after her.

I went to see the counselor today. I know I rambled on and on. Then I couldn't keep the conversation to one topic...too much to tell. She asked me about mother's day coming up and what my plans were. I told her I thought about sending a card and that was it. At first she suggested some other things, then into the conversation, she realized what we were dealing with and changed her mind--a card is sufficient. I would not send anything if it were truly up to me, I just feel guilty more if I don't. Eventually, I hope to get passed this and have some peace. In case you are wondering, yes, I made a second appointment. I cannot tell you, though, how hard it was. I felt like once again, I was going against my mom.--hopefully this will pass too. One other thing I learned from therapy today--I have an angel for a husband. I never thought of it quiet like this, but I really do. He may do other things that annoy me, but he is a saint to put up with my mom and my desire to please her so much. One good thing so far that is coming out of this mess!

Babalou--I am ready for NO POWER!! Even though she has all the power, I am ready to relinquish so much with her. Not just her bank account, but all the emotions and anxiety that goes with the abuse she has dished out for years.

Have a great evening, I plan on it too!!
Helpful Answer (3)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

Jewel; I'm with CM, and I think perhaps I had suggested this a few weeks ago. It may be time to let your mom's poa go and let her become a ward of the state; they will appoint a guardian and you will be able to tell her that you have NO POWER at all.
Helpful Answer (3)
Reply to BarbBrooklyn
Report

If shes legally competent then I agree with CM but if she isnt she cant change it now anyway because assigning a POA requires capacity to understand store explain and give rationale accoring to the psych who saw mum (who incidentally scores 0 out of 4). meanwhile make sure you have all the receipts and bills and what they were for - if she's goingto challenge you need to be prepared hun. AND dont tell her you are doing it. Get copies from the NH if need be but make sure you can account for the money spent - I even have a petty cash book so that when I buy little things (which by the way sure as h*ll soon mount up) I can keep a record of them. Mum told her friend that I was spending her money like water. What she failed to tell them was her bank balance had increased by 2k over the last 4 months so I am obviously not spending it fast enough!!!!!
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to PhoenixDaughter
Report

Jewel, I'm sorry but I've lost track - is your mother legally competent or not? If she is, and I were you, I'd resign that POA right now.
Helpful Answer (4)
Reply to Countrymouse
Report

mean is not id
Helpful Answer (0)
Reply to 126Cher
Report

Oh Jeweltone, your Mother and My Father sound like they are related. He has done so many terrible things to me that I have had it. Blocking Mom's care because he does not want to spend ANY money on her. Tried to get me off his POA as your Mother id doing. Know it hurts a lot. Will write to you again but have to get some sleep. I could write a book.
Helpful Answer (0)
Reply to 126Cher
Report

Well, it happened. My mom finally got the nerve to contact the attorney. She has told them she is considering dropping me as POA and she wants a copy of the POA to read. She had a copy but when she moved I just never took her one. I didn't see any point in her needing it. The POA is for me. Now she is questioning what I had her sign. She is now saying that I had her sign stuff that she didn't agree to. She is quizzing the bank more and they won't give her any info over the phone so now she is hunting someone to take her to the bank. It never ends. She will not give up until she can "prove" that I am a thief. I am not concerned about what I have needed to do to take care of her, but I am concerned about how she will handle things. I cannot believe she is pushing this as far as she is. This makes me not want to talk to her even more.--which I still haven't had contact, this is from someone who has talked with her.

I found out why she called my daughter. She called her about giving her bday money. Now she is mad because my daughter didn't come by to get her money.--First off, how was she supposed to know she had money for her when she didn't leave a message and second, my mom hasn't given her bday money in 4 years--she has had me write a check out of her account and give it to her. Last year she didn't mention it and this year I didn't do it under the circumstances. The wind just keeps blowing harder. A storm is brewing. She is constantly finding ways to keep the pot stirred.

When will it all end?!? Questioning out loud not necessarily asking the question. I know we don't have the answers, but I am ready for a break.
Helpful Answer (2)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

Make a contribution to a charities organization, or to the alumnae fund at your mom's school, in her name.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to BarbBrooklyn
Report

Looloo, me too. I looked at cards the other day and I couldn't find a one that had words to fit my situation. I just put them down and walked out. I will try again on a different day. My mom hates flowers.--well what doesn't she hate? but she doesn't like to get flowers. Maybe that is what I should do anyway just for spite. I cannot decide if I am even going to send a card. I do not want to give her a reason to call me. I am going the counseling in a week, so I will bring it up then. My heart says no and my mind says well maybe. You are also right when you say that my mom didn't call to see how my daughter is! She never did that before. She only calls when she needs something whether it be food or an ego boost. All I can do anymore is just shake my head at the situation.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

It's incredible how manipulative they can be. Even when you decide not to engage with them, they're still in your head. Even your daughter -- she wisely chose not to call your mother back, but she's wondering what's up. Here's what's up: Your mother is demanding attention, that's all. Is your mother curious about how your daughter is? What's new with her? I doubt it. There's never any mutual, sincere engagement -- only oppressive "sucking in."
I hope you enjoy your OWN Mother's Day this year, Jewel! When you mentioned the day coming up, I had to think for a moment to remember that this will be my 1st year not visiting my mother. Last year was the first year I didn't drive down on Saturday, stay overnight, take her to an extravagant brunch on Sunday, drive back home, and so on. Last year, she happened to have a doctor's appointment the Monday before Mother's Day, so I took the day off of work ,drove down at sunrise, took her to the appointment and then to a NON expensive lunch, and that was it. I did order flowers for her though, to be delivered that Saturday before Mother's Day, since she probably wouldn't remember or consider what I did do to be "enough."
This year, I will not call. But I'll order flowers and a card. God, I hate shopping for cards for her....
Helpful Answer (2)
Reply to looloo
Report

Thank you!! I need to hear those words more often. Not sure if I told you all but my mom tried to call my daughter last week. I wondered how long it would take her to do it. She was on her way home from college and she didn't see she had called until later, but my mom didn't leave a message. I told my daughter to do what she wanted. She could call her or she didn't have to. She chose not to call her, but now she wonders what she wanted. Of course, my mom is probably thinking that I have turned her granddaughter against her. Not true at all. My daughter doesn't have a controlling mother like I do. I do not tell her what to and what not to do. She can make her own decisions based on what she wants to do. I told her that my mom is only calling because she wants something or she has a question to find out something about me. There is always motive with her.--How smart have I become...LOL...I am learning, but the hard way. I also got an invitation in the mail yesterday regarding the mother's day brunch at AL. Last year my mother wouldn't go, so that is my answer for this year. She won't go and I am not going to ask. The difference in this year my mom will have me to blame for why she isn't going. She will say that I have forsaken her on mother's day. She will pout that I didn't ask nor did I come. I will tell you that in 47 years, this is the first mother's day that I will make no contact.
Helpful Answer (5)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

Too often one of three things or all three three happens when setting boundaries. 1. We forget they are for our protection and not for making them change. 2. We forget to set concrete consequences for when they break the boundaries and they will. 3. We forget to follow through with the consequences.

jeweltone, you are right. The only way to stop giving her permission is to stop contact. Sometimes that is the only and best thing you can do.

Good luck with moving forward!
Helpful Answer (4)
Reply to notrydoyoda
Report

I have thought about Job a lot lately. I have to remind myself that Job kept his faith through everything and it paid off. If this is a test, I WILL pass it!! I do feel that things have been "allowed" to happen. For what reason? Not sure about that yet, and I may never know. I am leaning not on my own understanding for sure. Being human in nature, I do ask a lot of questions, but I always go back to Him and my faith in Him. I sat down last week for a while and thought to myself, is this the devil trying to get at me, or is it God asking something of me? The more I contemplated it, the more I realized it was the devil...so I let some things go. I too have been thinking about the same things, Cher.

when it comes to my mom, nothing I say or do changes her behavior. The more I set boundaries, the more I say no, the more she behaves this way to me. So for that, I am not going to keep just doing what she says all the time--even when I do, she still behaves badly toward me. She is always mad or pouting about something. This has been her all my life though. It is just worse now. I feel like I keep explaining my self just like I always had to do to her. Always explaining the "why" of everything. Why did you do this, why did you do that, why do you look at me like that --(like what?!?) why, why, why?!!!! I also feel like I am always making excuses for her behavior. As far as giving permission to treat me this way, exactly!! I have been giving that permission for many years and it has to stop. The only way to stop it with her, is to stop contact. This is not easy for sure, but I am moving forward.
Helpful Answer (3)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

Learned behavior is something that spreads not just in your family but is also the sum of the 5 to 6 people that you are around the most. Believe that the bible, when describing an event is more of a fable about human nature than a story that really l happened. Even story about Job the devil asks permission from God to test him. God says yes. Believe that this is a fable of people outside your family asking permission to treat someone inside your own family poorly and by your word and body language you give them permission to do so. Sorry if I an getting too deep here but I have been thinking about that a lot.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to 126Cher
Report

Learned behaviors is something I think of often. I so do not want to be like my mom, but I do see it come out at times. I think you are right emjo, it doesn't always mean we have a disorder, just a learned behavior. We are not made only of genes but we are also a product of the environment we grew up in. I have learned to change many behaviors and still working on a few. Maybe my mom getting ill was a wake up call for me. I sit and wonder why?, but in a way I am so glad. I am glad to finally maybe to break free in a sense and also glad that I can see what might have been coming.

As a young child, a teenager, and a young adult I was usually very positive and saw the good in everyone. As I became older and dealt more and more with my mom and trying to still be what she expected including my kids in that at the same time, I started becoming more like her. A bit cynical in everything. I am slowly trying to get back to myself--the glass is half full kind of gal.

Speaking of therapy, I made my appointment!!! It has been a long time coming, but timing is everything. I guess it couldn't come at a better time. If some of you are wondering, no, I still haven't contacted my mom. It is not any easier, but I am taking it a day at a time. The sense of relief I have from not hearing the negativity is great, that feeling of "I am doing something wrong" nags at me day after day. I have so many thoughts running through my head that I will not even know where to start with the counselor. Hopefully they will be able to guide me.

Attention seeking is the name of the game with my mom. She gets angry if she isn't the center of attention. This is not a new behavior for her though. It has always been that way. If she wasn't the one telling a story and everyone else listening, then she would find her way out of the room and not listen to anyone else's stories. Only hers were interesting. She would interrupt and start her own story. You can even watch her eyes start to wonder around the room as she looses interest and tunes you out as you talk. I am convinced that is why she always got the "story"wrong, because she never listened to it. Me, Me Me. That is my mom. Even at the AL she seeks attention from the staff. If she doesn't get it, she gets angry with them. She will even ask them where they have been, what took them so long, and why were they in so and so's room so long...and well, what about her, doesn't she pay the same as everyone else, shouldn't she get the same attention. Actually, she probably gets more attention because she is definitely the squeaky wheel. This could be a blog in it's self. Ha!

I have tried to not write for the past few days thinking that may help me to get my mind off my mom, but actually writing about it helps me more. Reading comments helps remind me and keep things in perspective.

Yes, Emjo, life would be better without these problems...
Helpful Answer (5)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

Definitely it is all about attention - positive or negative. I have had to look at myself carefully for learned behaviours as I think it is likely that we pick up some behaviours from our parents even if we do not have a personality disorder. There is a siren enticing us to get attention from talking about our problems in preference to dealing with them. I am a bit suspect about the presence of more than learned behaviours when I see someone who doesn't make any progress despite much venting and advice, or when I see someone resistant to the change that would come from therapy.
Wouldn't life be easier without these problems?
Helpful Answer (5)
Reply to golden23
Report

That's exactly it, Heidi. It's all about getting attention.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to looloo
Report

Looloo, maybe provoking an argument is a form of entertainment, or a way to get attention? I think that's a biggie with my mom. As a teen and young woman she was called too flirty and she just went into overdrive stealing boyfriends, or trying to, etc. I think it goes back to her wanting attention. Any attention is good.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to Heidi73
Report

My mother does that too, throwing in a statement just to provoke, or she'll say something trying to get sympathy in some way. It's impossible to have a regular, pleasant conversation for more than 2 minutes. I think pleasantness bores her.
Helpful Answer (2)
Reply to looloo
Report

I just talked to my mom, just 10 minutes or so. She sounded pretty friendly and clear, and then she said, "come and visit. And come alone. That way your husband doesn't have to be offended by my smoke." Oddly, he isn't bothered too much by the smoke. He just goes home and showers. I'm the one who gets headaches from it and starts to sneeze and get a sore throat. Though clearly the fact that I'd express an opinion different from hers means I've been corrupted. Or deprogrammed?
And for a moment I thought it was a good conversation. I guess it was in the sense that she didn't get a chance to start accusing my husband of stealing her cat figurines!
Helpful Answer (3)
Reply to Heidi73
Report

Heidi, as far as the POA, the attorney did 2 for my mom. One is a general/durable POA that allows me to do general things such as banking, selling her house, signing documents, etc. The second is a medical POA. This allows me to make decisions and talk to the doctor. The doctor cannot say no to that. Check in to getting one for medical. Without it,I could not have made medical decisions nor talked to her doctor without her permission.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

JessieBelle, about four years ago, I had one of the first lightbulb moments about my mother, that didn't actually gel for another few years (thanks, therapy!). I was visiting my mother, and I had never before noticed how absolutely RIGID she was. Her responses to whatever the subject happened to be were the same as they had always been. Her opinions and attitudes were chiseled like stone, and she expressed them exactly the same way every time. I had never realized how, in 80 plus years -- and I've known her for 48 years -- she has not changed ONE BIT. Not one bit.
How is that possible? Everything changes to some extent, right? How can you NOT? I'm getting all riled up thinking about this again. But that's a sign of a personality disorder, maybe a character disorder. Circumstances change, everything shifts and adjusts -- but not these people.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to looloo
Report

I know what you mean, Heidi. People will say to walk away from it, which is very good advice. It does get a little tiring to spend your entire day walking away from conflict, however. People will say to hang in there and not take it personally. Those people don't spend their days hanging in there. It's not a good way to live if it goes on forever.

I was cleaning today and I found a note my mother had written about losing my father and then my aunt. She wrote about how she doesn't like to be yelled at, I'm sure referring to me. I did yell at her once. She considers anytime I tell her no, I won't do something that I'm yelling at her, even if I don't raise my voice.

Last night there was a feel-bad episode. My mother has been taking over my shower time for the past few days and staying in the bathroom a long time. I asked her why her time had shifted and that it threw my schedule off for the rest of the night. She got very mad and told me that I would just wait until she got finished and that I should be glad that I even had a place to stay. I told her that what she said was disrespectful. She said I was the disrespectful one, then told me to just go back to my room. There was no point in going further with the talk, since any defense just gets turned back on me. I wish I could say it is just the dementia or old age, but it is really the same old mother I grew up with.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to JessieBelle
Report

I get sucked into those go-nowhere arguments too easily. My husband will give me a look or wave his hand discreetly as if to say "don't bother. It'll end up going nowhere."
Helpful Answer (2)
Reply to Heidi73
Report

Argh, Heidi. So frustrating!
The fact that my mother called me to ask if I had done her taxes, I know was supposed to be her way of demonstrating to me that she is "with it" enough to be aware of them, and therefore, to handle them. But she's not, and so I have been handling them for the last 2 years. The last year she did them, I know it was a struggle for her, and the year after that (first year I took over), the accountant and I discovered a few missing pieces of info from previous years. Glad we got it taken care of then, instead of who knows when.
My mother still knows enough to be superficially polite to me when we communicate. She will ask somewhat nicely, and she'll say "thank you", but she will imply that I'm interfering, overstepping, basically disrespecting her. And, if I let the conversation go on too long, she'll usually make some sort of dig or start one of her round-and-round, go-nowhere arguments.
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to looloo
Report

Babalou. Good points, and thank you.
You know, my mom was the one who mentioned doing taxes to me. She said she hadn't done them (this was probably two weeks ago) yet, so she knows that they're due, and she's the type who will have them done because she thinks she's owed a huge refund (as always).
As for the POA, it is worthless. We did it years ago, and I brought them to the doctor, and it gives me no authority. I've called before about stuff and mentioned the POA, and they've said, we still need your mom's permission to discuss this with you. I actually jammed it into a box and have ignored it because it seems little more than paper.
And my mom still doesn't really want help. It all boils down to her wanting someone to praise her or go fetch cigarettes and xanax for her, all peppered with generous amount of insults directed my way!
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to Heidi73
Report

You have, Jewel. Go back and read your first posts and see how far you've come, girl!
Helpful Answer (2)
Reply to BarbBrooklyn
Report

I truly agree too.. I feel sometimes I am being the bull head and the stubborn one, then I have to smack myself and say "wake up". That is "their' guilt pushing down on us--while they live in that apartment in our heads. Nothing wrong with tough love and I am learning that the hard way. As I said, my mom wouldn't go anywhere and now she is out going to the movies. Regardless how ill someone is, they need to take some responsibilities for themselves. The more we let them rely on us, the more they will suck us dry. I have also thought today how my mom is just moving right along and here I sit worrying once again about things.--is it my fault? could I do more? should I call her? NO!! to all the above! It is not our fault that they are sick, nor is it all their fault, we should not do anymore we should actually do less (for our own well being) and the phone rings both ways--not really wanting that though, just saying.

Life is short heart2heart, and we all need to take a stand for our own well being. They have had their stand and lived their life mostly like they wanted to--miserable. I want to live my life--happy and peaceful and full!! I do not want to look back in 10 years and thing "where did it all go"...well, I will tell myself, it went to your miserable, uncaring, self absorb, narcissistic mother.--now, that will be my fault because I allowed it to happen.

If only I could take my own advice. LOL
Helpful Answer (1)
Reply to jeweltone
Report

If your mom has not given you poa for her finances and she hasn't been declared incompetent, then she's supposed to be able to manage on her own, right? Did you remind her once? That's done. If she starts not filing taxes, in goes into the pile marked "evidence of inability to manage on her own ".
Helpful Answer (2)
Reply to BarbBrooklyn
Report

Oh yeah, boundaries are so hard with willful personalities. My mom with her narcissistic tendencies and other stuff going on crossed them way too many times. She even wanted to tell me about what my dad was like in bed, or later after she divorced him, talk about her dates' penis sizes or whatever (and I was a teen and REALLY didn't want to hear it them!) When I told her I didn't want to hear that kind of stuff. I got called humorless for that and I just wanted boundaries. Mom is supposed to nurture a baby and young child and teach it some values and make sure they have clothing and food and do their homework. They're not supposed to use their kids as therapists!
Helpful Answer (4)
Reply to Heidi73
Report

Ask a Question
Subscribe to
Our Newsletter