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**spite** that is my mom's middle name. Spite is for sure her passed time. Revenge, spite, negativity, complaining, these are all things that keep her going. She has plenty of all of it, so she will be going a very long time.
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I suspect some people live on out of pure spite. My mom is probably hanging on for the first of every month, thinking she's pulled one over everyone by claiming another month's worth of checks! My mom's main hobbies are smoking and nursing grudges, after all.
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jeweltone - I guess my mother dispells that myth, healthy genes negate lousy attitude - LOL, my neighbor said the same, her mother is in her 80's and controlling their lives - she said she can't make it if she lives as long as my mother! Mom has been negative all her life, I was raised with it - have to remind myself not to be like that because its contageous! The last 20 have been the worst. Such a waste of a wonderful gift from God. I can't remember the last time I saw her really happy or enjoying herself - even 50 years ago. Her favorite phrase was " isn't it awful". She was a good, kind mom and we got along famously so I can't complain about my upbringing. Its just so sad to realize she doesn't know how to be happy. Fortunately, she isn't as mean to me as she is to my sister, because Mom behaves like she is her mother, she is oldest and catered to her from the time Dad died 40 years ago. They say they take it out on the one they love the most. Now that the dementia has set in, I don't think my mother thinks of me at all. A couple of months ago she told my sister she hadn't seen me for weeks. (I had been there the day before, and I have been doing 90% of everything for the last 8 months since my brother-in-law got sick. She didn't remember I had taken her for new hearing aids either. I know she used to love me and I understand she is ill. But it still hurts she never calls me unless she can't reach sis and every time I call she thinks its her. Its kind of the same as hearing a lot of your favorite actors and singer have died of old age -- you feel like you are losing your past and everything that was dear to you.
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I just saw some of your posts. Sometimes they don't show up until after I have posted. Wow, my mom is so much like AmyGrace's mom. Sitting miserable in her room--way too much time on her hands to think. 100? Wow, how will I make it my mom living 31 more years. I cannot imagine. they say a negative, depressed, miserable person dies 25% earlier than those that are not... I don't know if I believe all that. My dad too, not saying his is a saint, but he took good care of my mom. They divorced and she still hates him. She cannot stand it if she thinks I talk to him. She cannot see the good for all the bad she thinks about.
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Hello... I am not on an antidepressant, actually I am anti-medication. I do not like medications and I am very sensitive to medicine. I can take an allergy pill and be in bed immediately. I do not want to spend my time in bed or fogged more than I already am. --thanks for suggesting though. this is just really starting to get to me more than before. I know I haven't done anything wrong--other than buy me some groceries every now and then and pay myself for my caregiving (show should owe me that at least), the other money went to other people caregiving for her, doctor visits, hospital visits, groceries for her, medicine, etc. I am not worrying about it too much, being that I know I didn't take the money she thinks I did. I am just choosing NOT to talk to her right now. If she makes a big deal out of this, then I will carry on with the necessary steps. If she calls me, it will be to drag me down even more--so no answering from me. I was just trying to give some space from the negativity and complaining and since she couldn't take some responsibility for her actions in this. She has went to drastic measures in the past 4 weeks--calling the bank, trying to revoke POA, moving money from her bank, etc. She is causing me to really want to stay away. It hurts to think someone (especially your mother) distrust you so much, after all I have done and sacrificed. this is not a woe is me moment, just speaking how I feel. I called the doctor today to get an appointment for my eczema--it is really bad right now from the stress. My skin is a total mess along with my broken heart. who would have thought that things would just keep getting worse and worse. I was so hoping when she went to AL it would start getting better. She is one miserable person.
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I often wonder, if my Dad had lived, would Mom have been happier, or would she have made his life miserable. Probably the latter. Her second husband was a domineering mysogynist - which is what she probably needed - someone who believes he's macho man to tell her what to do and make her feel "protected". All she had to do was wait on him hand and foot but she didn't love him. We were happy when he met his maker. She loved my father, and sadly, he was the one with a million interests and loved and appreciated of life. He once said he finds beauty in the bark of a tree, even in winter. And then there is Mom...........
Mom used to re-gift stuff to us too. She would want something and then when we gave it to her, she'd try to give it back a few months later. That has stopped now as her only interest and obsession is that her furniture is all gone and no one gave her money for it, an obsession she writes 25 little notes a day about. All the furniture went to Salvation Army, it was all horrible, she says it was brand new. We have given her so many little gifts the past 5 years, all of which end up in a drawer or the floor of the closet. I hear you Heidi, I have better conversations with my poodles than I do with my mother. I can't remember having a conversation in the past year when I didn't do all the talking and at the end, she hadn't a clue what I said. Its weird, the silence is awful if you don't try to fill it with chatter - anything because its so awkward if you don't or if the only things they talk about are complaints!
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I agree about resigning POA. The court can appoint a POAI or guardian, but she mey need to be deemed incompacitated.. I hope your mom is a DNR
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AmyGrace, your mom sounds a lot like mine. My mom was married twice and my dad set her up well, even though she'd divorced him. She still belittles him and complains, even though he's been dead for more than 25 years! If it wasn't for him, she'd have a $200 a month pension (sadly housewives don't get pensions!) and she has no hobbies except for smoking and complaining. She says we have nothing to talk about and no interests, but she can't hear well. We end up just talking about how the cat hopped into the hamper or something, when we do talk, because I honestly can have a better chat with the cat. At least when they meow back I know they're listening to me!
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I just read the letter and tore it up. But it did unnerve me!
My mom tries to give me stuff, too. Usually it's stuff she doesn't want anymore and she thinks she's doing everyone a favor. She even regifted me a juicer that I'd given her one year after she'd talked about how badly she wanted one for many months! Then she was offended I didn't want it, when I reminded her I gave it to her!
I used to take it and then when she gave me some pewter spoons which I didn't want, but I finally took after she'd offered them 10 times, I got accused of stealing them, so I stopped that entirely.
My mom basically throws stuff in people's hands -- she gives dirty smoky stuff to my inlaws, too, and expects them to go crazy with gratitude. It's weird things that mean nothing to the person getting the gift. It's like giving a fur hat to a vegan and then wondering what their problem is for not going nuts with gratitude!
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126Cher. I sort of came in on this in the middle, but what you said hit a note with me - my mother's body has outlived her brain - and my sister and I have had with her. She's always been stubborn, self centered and never listened. Now with dementia she is unbearable. I broke my ankle four days ago and can't drive and I hate to say it - despite the pain and inconvenience, the one good thing to come of it is I don't have to see Mom for at least a month. She's in AL, so I know she will be fed and looked after and I don't have to listen to her whining and complaining, and now she is getting nasty. Mom has had a good life. My Dad was a prince, a wonderful man who left her comfortable. She remarried and he left her even more so. She's never sick, had perfect health her whole life and still does (she's 100!) never had to work, never had to want, had opportunities to travel (and refused) and has never, ever in her life had an interest or hobby and is fairly anti-social. I don't know how she stands her own company, sitting in her room thinking of things to be miserable about, playing victim for being old, when she is more mobile and healthier than my sister and me. Yes, her body has outlived her mind, and if she lived with either of us, she would outlive us too. Little contact is a good option - you are so right.
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Heidi, I get rattled if my mother sends me a letter, or a delivery of something -- it's always used cookbooks. I used to take one or two to be polite, then started saying "thanks but no thanks." This was before the dementia. She would seem hurt, and then comment how her sister's children are always thrilled to receive them. Eye roll...
She hardly ever writes or sends things now, but I do still get rattled every time. I know it's a "hoover" attempt. That's a term for when Narcs try to suck you in, like a vacuum. Now that she's so terribly confused and forgetful--and yet, still attempting to guilt and manipulate--the letters have an extra dimension that's upsetting to deal with. I try to take a deep breath before reading them, deciding that I won't respond (she won't remember anyway), and then I deliberately tear up the letter.
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Jeweltone, Babalou and Emjo23 have good points.
Give yourself some space. If calling it no contact upsets you, call it taking a break. I sometimes want to say "never" with my mom, but it helps just saying, "I can't do this right now." Sometimes "right now" is today; sometimes "right now" is this month.
One thing that helped me a lot was the therapy I used to go to (and may try again once my new insurance kicks in with my new job). All the AgingCare.com talk helps a lot, too. Also find some books and read case histories. Reading "Will I Ever Be Good Enough" by Karyl McBride, about narcissistic mothers and their daughters helped a lot because for me a lot of the stories were similar to what I experienced. Anything that helps you realize you're not alone helps. I'd say load up on that and get your fill -- stuff yourself with information -- and then start to let it go. You may never entirely do so -- I know I haven't -- but you'll feel better knowing it's not just you and that you have tried.
Also, you wrote, "my mom is now calling the bank after all these years and wanting information. Will she remember giving me permission to write myself a check?" I've gone through that, too. Money and whatever a person's personal triggers and issues are always a source of problems. My mom is fussy about money and about family. Because she's narcissistic and probably has other diagnosed issues, she has real problems with me because I'm family so I'm naturally, in her mind, meant to deceive her and it's worse because in her mind her whole family is nasty and hates her.
But she's given me checks or cash before and told me to spend it on car insurance or write checks for her prescriptions or even told me to buy groceries for myself with her money. Never felt comfortable with that. I turned a deaf ear to insurance and grocery shopping and I always gave her receipts for anything and it still didn't work. She wasn't there so when she was in a bad phase it became fraudulent and deceptive in her mind. It's a long story, but no matter what you do, realize you're not dealing with a clear mind and it could backfire easily and often.
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Bodies outliving brains -- I like that, 126Cher.
I barely want contact with my mom -- well, at this point I really don't.
It's been years of drama, of her making up lies about my life (creating an imaginary husband because I wasn't married by the age of 29, etc) and then expecting me to act as personal shopper, secretary, therapist (mainly someone to talk to, but not with), etc. I'm just tired of it.
She just sent me a letter and it wasn't as hateful as past ones have been -- but when I saw the envelope, I felt white-hot panic. But it was a more neutral note with some of the same digs.
It's sad, because she really could use help but I can't do it in part because she doesn't want help -- she wants it her way. I used to be able to shop for her and write checks for her and she changed it all, taking me off the account.
Before she started her accusations I know I was a big help to her, by driving her around and shopping for her but it always ended up with me being labeled the bad guy so I want no more.
That's my rant for the day. The letter didn't set me off sobbing but it did rattle me!
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Jeweltone: My husband and I don't have kids, so I don't have that to worry about. I don't know how I'd do it if we had young kids and parental drama! Anyone who can do that deserves a statue.
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jewel - I agree with babalou. No contact gives space - you are not no contact, you are just not seeing her right now. No contact means no POA no connection of any sort. Contact sucks! As far as being an only child, I wish I was. Not only do I have a narc mother I also have a narc sister to deal with who would accuse me of cheating mother. You know you have not cheated her and you can provide the figures. No, it is not nice to have a mother like you have, as many of us know, but it is what it is and it is your choice of how to deal with it. I think there is no question that you need therapy to help you with this. When is your first appointment? Sorry for being blunt but I find it hard to understand why you have not sought therapy sooner, considering how much anguish you are feeling. You are in a lot of emotional pain. I have always figured physical pain you see a doctor, emotional pain you see a therapist. It helps. You do sound depressed. Are you on an antidepressant?
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I have to say I agree with Babalou. It probably sounds so drastic, but it's the most reasonable and practical solution.
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Jewel, I think you should call the lawyer and resign your poa. I think that you should send the lawyer an accounting of what was paid for Mom's caregiving, explain that she is mentally unstable and that you can see that having POA is going to cause you legal issues down the road, which you can ill afford. Send this letter RETURN RECEIPT, CERTIFIED and WALK AWAY.

She's going to grind you into the ground otherwise.
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I am feeling some better this evening. My family is getting ready to meet some friends for dinner and I will need the laughs. My mom did call her bank and told someone that I have cheated her out of money and she can't count for it. We went through her math, and of course she did the math wrong. UUGH! She is constantly finding a wrong doing, she absolutely lives for it. Who does that? Who lives for wrong doing?--my mother

I just came from the funeral home from one of my friends I mentioned earlier. He lost his mom and is devastated. She found out 4 weeks ago her breast cancer had returned and now she is gone., while my mom sits in her own misery.--mad at the world and mostly at me.

No contact sucks... she is definitely moving on, why can't I. She is contemplating revoking her POA still and moving her money to a different bank. She moves quick.. HA!! She is so paranoid that I am going to take it. I believe I could have already done that 4 years ago. She just don't get it.

Thanks again for listening to my whiny tail... :-)
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**In the meantime, I called the attorney for the POA and he said I did not have to sign behind my mom and that these people "tricked" me. He understood why they were doing it, to cover their own self, but that I didn't have to sign. Hallelujah! I wish I had called him in the first place and didn't sign at all. He stated that if my mom was able to act in her own behalf, then she can do that. If she couldn't sign then I could do it. I want out of all of it!! The webs we weave.
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Also, I have found out my mom is now calling the bank after all these years and wanting information. Will she remember giving me permission to write myself a check--or would she even admit she gave me permission. As you remember way back when I first started this conversation, I told how I was paying care givers and my mom would not be happy with that, but I had to because the hospice and her doctor told me that if I didn't do these things they would put her in a nursing home or somewhere and she would have to pay for that. So, instead of giving them the control--wish I had of... I decided to get full time caregivers when it was time for me to go back to work. My mom told me she hoped she wasn't paying for that. we told her the insurance would pay for most of it. The doctor told me that the truth didn't matter at this point. Well, backfire has hit the fan. Now that she is better than a year ago, none of that will matter to her. If she gets statements and finds out how much she paid for care giving, she will once again validate her feelings that I have cheated her in some way. Why do these things happen? I try to do what is right and it comes back on me as though I am a thief and a cheat. My mom does/has done things in her own life and no one ever knew or found out. She is always setting me up for failure, always looking for something to prove me a no good person. How sad to think that your own mother is out to find something wrong. I am not guilty, but she sure makes me feel like I have done it all wrong. I am sorry to keep on today, but I am so anxious over things. Worried that she will know that we lied to her about things that would help her. she will only see it as once again, going against her. Yes, I am still afraid of my mom. She has such a strong personality. Being an only child also plays a big role knowing I don't have a sibling to fall back on with her. I pray for strength and courage. Also, at least the doctors know the situation. That is one thing on my side too. I wish I didn't worry so much.
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It isn't a lose if you are getting things done that that need to be done as loo says. Consider her as a child who does not know what is good for her. Just manage what you have to manage. You are a competent adult, she is not. Don't feel bad - sign what you have to and work on unloading that huge burden of unnecessary guilt that is eating you up. Yes, your mother installed the guilt buttons, but as we mature we need to take charge of these things and un- install them. It takes work but is very worth it The stress is affecting your health and you have to take charge of that.

cher - sounds like you need to go no contact with your husband that ill. I am so sorry. ((((((hugs)))))
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[in reading everyone's recent posts]
It's so time-consuming/time-exhausting isn't it? This is why we have to watch out for our health... It all starts to take a toll on you. I think mental exhaustion is the worst... I've sure found this out... I've taken a step back now... This is a good thing to do... Whatever you can do for yourself... no matter small... force yourself to do it... I'm thinking of you Jewel... take care of yourself... and, everyone here...
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Hi Jewel, I was about to say that it probably isn't necessary for you to sign in addition to your mother, but it might depend on what exactly was signed. My mother still writes checks for things now and then (NOT my preference, but that's how it is now), but if she were to sign any kind of contract, tax or financial related thing, I would intervene as her POA and ensure that only MY signature was valid, and not hers.
When you do meet with a therapist, maybe discussing that lose-lose situation you're in would be helpful. It's hard to get rid of the guilt, feeling so "disloyal" and "disobedient", when you're doing exactly what you need to be doing for her own welfare. My therapist helped me overcome a lot of that.
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Thanks emjo..I always feel I am doing something wrong, something behind her back, and it just validates how she feels about what is going on. I read somewhere that pessimistic people usually have bad things happen to them and it usually happens the way they planned it. She thinks I am sneaking behind her back doing things--and somethings I have to because she wouldn't let me do it if I approached her about it. Lose-lose situation. I have this debilitating guilt.--cannot even put my finger on what or why. I have a question about POA..I may need to call the attorney, but maybe someone can enlighten me. If my mom is capable of signing papers on her own and her signature is witnessed by the person she is signing for, do I need to sign also as POA? I wouldn't think so because I am not guardian, just POA. some things have come up since my mom asked me to stay away that needed to be signed. She signed them with a witness and now the people involved are saying I have to sign also because I am POA. They have forced me to sign and I am feeling really bad about it. She would be so mad if she knew I signed also. This is getting to be to much for me.
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I agree with emjo23 that no contact is the best option. My parents have taken all that I have emotionally. Now with my husband who has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on May 6, 2014 and his being let go from his job Nov.26th 2014 because of his disability which cut his salary in half. I find that I can not take my parents irrational outburst any longer that get none of us anywhere. My parents' body have out lived their brains so I just about had it.
No contact or little is a good option.
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sorry - as long as you need to than getting sucked into the endless destructive games. I still maintain the option of going no contact if I need to.
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jewel and others - it is healthy to disobey a manipulative, mentally ill, and/or demented person. They are trying to run things without a full deck. They never had a full deck. I have found that mother is no more or less happy if she is on my case or someone else's case. So why offer myself to her as a victim? It only hurts me. Are her words cutting at times. Yes they are, but better a few words from which you can walk away and stay away as long as ythan getting sucked inti the edess games/
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**not to talk***
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Linda22, I try to talk about my mom much to my husband. Even though he is very supportive, he is one of these men who go with what ever conversation is going on. Ha! Not meaning to, but he will agree with her if she catches him just right, then agree with me later. Whew! He takes my side more than not, but he is easily manipulated too.--so that makes us in trouble around her. I usually keep it to myself at home, except to my daughter. He has told me many times it is time to walk away and let it go. I am trying to be very supportive over this business deal. It is so draining wondering how we will make it on top of how will I make it with my mom's situation.--not really a question, just a thought out loud. With my mom, I feel like I am disobeying her and with what's going on in my own home feels like we are failing in some way. I am sinking. Heidi, I had no idea you were so close to my age. The "sandwich" generation.--do you have children? I am also juggling work and my family--husband and children. I am one who thinks I need to do it all--wonder woman ( I have been told I look like her-HA!) so why not be her, right? Heidi, EXACTLY!! LEt them pay for a gofer, a therapist, a shopper, a pharmacist, etc. Sounds good. Now if I can just stick to it. Thanks for the support. I need all I can get right now!!
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I have to agree with Linda22 about how one crisis can pull you away from worrying or fretting over mom. I have limited contact with my mom and in part I pulled away a lot because I was tired of the drama.
My mom did have a tough childhood, and I think mental illness is at play, too, so I have my sympathy to an extent, but then there's also the problems of dealing with someone who is an emotional vampire. When they have tantrums or get hateful about things that don't go their way, I just don't want to deal with it anymore.
I figure now if she's willing to pay a neighbor $20 to take her shopping she can give him a $10 bill and ask him to get her a pack of cigarettes and keep the change. (That seems to be her big crisis anyways, and she always keeps about $8,000 in checking, so she can afford her smokes.) I just don't feel like throwing everything to the wind to run and fetch for her. If she wants someone to complain to for hours, she can pay a therapist. If she wants someone to do her bidding, she can hire someone and then like any employer she can set the schedule. I'm nearly 42 and I've given up vacation times and weekends and very nearly my sanity to try and make her happy. It's not working, so I quit. I'll still try and help her and I know I'll have days where I get upset, but I just don't see the point anymore of trying to make a miserable person happy when nothing has made them happy in decades.
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