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Downsize to where?

You could try it from the other end - find the more suitable, easier to maintain place that might be ideal for her first, and then say "wow look at this!"

You've already begun the list of must-haves, including somewhere for her to garden and a proper working kitchen. Now for the research into retirement communities that don't expect older people to sit in a chair all day and do nothing for themselves - I think and hope you'll be pleasantly surprised :)

Meanwhile, for you and DH, boundary building; and I'd suggest the list approach. Start writing down each task she asks you to help with for the next couple of weeks or month, and then when you have the conversation with her about the amount of support she needs and the effort that keeping up her house demands of both her and you, you'll be able to show her in black and white. The bottom line is "this is too much." She can save her energy for a more enjoyable and more productive later life.
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Beatty Mar 2021
I love how you can advocate for quality of life for elders. I so agree. Eg If at X yrs I love painting & old movies, but hate gardening then why not move so I can do just that?

Why cause resentment in my kids keeping this old place & the garden going. For what?
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Hmm sounds like a teen. I'll do my hobbies but not clean my room 🤔

"facade that shes living independently" as Lealonnie said so well.

So that's the first step. Looking clearly at the picture here. Mom may be living alone, but is not completely independent.

Why? Well that's what I'd look at next.

What health issues are going on. Are mobility, depression issues? Diabetes, heart? Is there a some cognitive decline?

It appears she would benefit from some home help services, as you can't do it all. That's common sense. If you have a chat & point this out - what's her reply?
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Just stop and make it clear if she wants to continue to stay she needs to pay for some help or eventually she will be taken out never to return. That is what happened with both our mothers and it was medically necessary.

Although you mean well you are enabling her. My late MIL was fine with
having my husband go onto her roof. When he nearly electrocuted himself trying to fix something he shouldn't I blew a fuse telling her he was not going to die doing repairs on her house.

Sone time later he drove her away to AL and she never saw the house again as she lived 7 hours away. We felt sad at times for her but there was nothing else we could do. The next door neighbor and her bank had become inadvertently her babysitters. We hired help and she alienated them.

We have been through the wringer with both our mothers. I literally felt that life was pointless at times clearing their stuff. It was short lived. They just exhausted me so. My MIL was much older so we were still raising teenagers. I remember the time we came back from VA to NY after "a" dealing with my MIL's house and my clueless mother had been unaware that my then oldest wiild child had a beer party downstairs. That was the last time I was able to help my husband so he brought way too much stuff home and I then had to sort through it.

It was also painful to have to throw out so much vintage clothing that had mold. Years earlier she had refused to let me have these items.
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Riverdale Mar 2021
I should report that my now almost 40 year old daughter has apologized for her teen years and fears she doesn't go through this with her 2 daughters. I hope so too. I love my children and grandchildren and want the best for them as they navigate raising children,working hard at their jobs and dealing with Covid.
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Be diplomatically honest with her that you are burnt out trying to take care of 2 homes, one in which you do not even live. You can give her a written list of what you are willing to do and how often (and in your time schedule, not hers) and also help her vet handy-people to outsource the work for which she should pay. She won't like it one bit. She doesn't have enough to do in the course of a day so she creates these home maintenance projects and they seem urgent. My 91-yr old mother lives next to me and was a very busy person all her life. Now she can't do as much but her mind keeps going and several times a day, even though my DH and I are working from home (and she knows this) she will come over with an urgent need. Today it was to look at a corn on her toe. One that's been there for a while. She has bags of clothes to donate and "needs to get them out of her basement. Today. And she wants to bake bread and insists we carry over our Kitchenaid mixer to her house. Now. I smiled and said no to every request and told her I'll do it when I'm not in the middle of my work day and when if have time. She grumbled with disappointment but I know she'll be back tomorrow. With our senior LOs we can't allow ourselves to be controlled by the tyranny of the "urgent". Also, I don't think your mom is being lazy or spoiled. I think she may be sliding into either memory loss or cognitive decline. I'd go with her to the doctor and have her given a cognitive exam and checked for a UTI. Hopefully you have PoA for her. If not, this should happen soon.
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Riverdale Mar 2021
I would take those bags of clothes out. That is the easiest fix. God forbid those bags go back into the mix because they have become necessary. It took my husband and I six months to clear out my mother's 1 bedroom apartment. She promised me she would never do to us what my MIL had done with her house. She broke that promise. We are both only children. Clearing out their homes was beyond exhausting. At least you are next door. We had to travel to do both. One night when my mother's toilet overflowed at 2 in the morning after having been there for hours I truly felt ready for the physch ward.

I am sure you are making your best choices. I just recommend doing what is easiest sooner than later.
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You and your dh should not be expected to prop your mother up and do everything for her so she can keep up the facade that shes living independently! She's not, when she's relying on you to do all the dirty work for her because all she WANTS to do is a bit of gardening once in awhile and bake a pound cake. She should not be cleaning or painting or climbing a ladder, obviously, which means the house is too much for her to handle. I'm 63 and cleaning my house is too much for ME, even though I cook. So I can hire someone to clean for me, or I can ask DH to help me, but what I won't ever do is expect my children to clean for me. Or paint or do anything else when I can call a handyman service to do it. Do I like paying someone? Nah, not really, but that's how the cookie crumbles in the real world.

Stop doing things for your mother, just tell her it's impossible for you or your husband to squeeze ONE more thing into your busy schedule. But you'd be happy to put her in touch with Merry Maids and a handyman service and whatever other services she requires. All she has to do is say the word and you'll be happy to help her sell the big house and downsize to a smaller and more manageable place that will be cheaper to maintain in the long run. If she moves to a senior living residence, they'll even include weekly housekeeping in the monthly rent.

In the meantime, she can retire that iron and use permanent press clothing and sheets, like everyone else!

The only way she'll see the light is when you stop doing for her and she's faced with the truth. Let her get angry and scream.....the calls can go to voicemail. She's being unreasonable and unwilling to separate needs from wants, which is imperative now. Getting old means many things must change, whether we want them to or not. Even though I WANT to sit cross legged on the floor and play with my grandchild, I can't. I accept that fact and make the necessary adjustments, like it or not.

Stick to your guns and don't falter. Let mom see and FEEL that the house is too much and she can't handle it anymore, and understand it's not YOUR job to run HER household.

Good luck!
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Riverdale Mar 2021
I don't cook much. I do work out. I would have the cleaners more if I didn't have to work so hard to prepare the house for them to clean!
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My grandmother could take care of her bills, do her own taxes (former bookkeeper), drive, and grocery shop at 90, but she paid a handyman, a housekeeper, someone to do her laundry, and someone to do her yardwork. She finally got tired of writing checks and moved in with relatives at 92.

I'd say the difference between the activities she did and those she didn't do was that all with the exception of a weekly grocery trip, everything she did she could do sitting down. That's not the case with housekeeping.

Your mom plants flowers what, once or twice a year? Puttering around the kitchen baking cakes doesn't require a lot of walking, so I'm guessing that's a big part of why she isn't taking care of her house too much. It's a big job, as you know.

I think it's fair that you offer two options -- she pays a housekeeper to come weekly or biweekly, or she leaves her house to be less tidy than she's accustomed to. You can't always drop everything and be there to do it, nor should you be expected to.

Even if she moves to a smaller place, she'll still need her house cleaned, so that doesn't seem to be the main issue here. It's whether you are the one to do it.

Older people have a very hard time with change, so if she's otherwise able to stay in her house and there are no safety issues for her, I vote for hiring people, but I don't think it's realistic to expect her to be able to clean her own house just because she plants flowers and bakes cakes.
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AlmondJoy72468 Mar 2021
i just don’t understand how ironing a stack of clothes or dusting furniture can be all that hard compared to baking a cake from scratch or digging holes in the yard to plant flowers. She could hire a housekeeper to help out but she doesn’t seem to want to pay for that. She just recently had a bathroom updated and expected my husband to do the work. We said no to this request and put her in touch with a good handyman who did the job. Now she wants the upstairs bedrooms and bathroom painted. She isn’t interested in hiring the handyman again for this job. She thinks she can do it herself. There’s no way she should be up in a ladder at her age. I feel like if her hime is too much for her to take care of then she needs to downsize so there isn’t as much to clean and take care of. It’s not fair for husband and I to maintain our house and hers as well.
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