Hi all — I’ve helped my parents (86 and 87) for years, alone. I have 1 brother; he doesn’t help. I know many people (especially daughters) (like me) are in the same lovely boat.
I hired 24-hour live-in caregivers at home. My brother and I live in NY. My parents live in MI.
I helped my parents in many ways.
Both my brother and I are POA. (We are POA independently).
My brother “fell off the face of the Earth”, as soon as they became frail. Stopped visiting: otherwise he would be asked to help.
He last visited our parents years ago. All caring was dumped on me (finding agencies, interviewing, etc., etc.) (you all know similar, even if differing, details).
(There is no arguing/no fighting in the family. He just doesn’t want to help our frail parents.) (He calls every 6 months: again, so he’s not asked to help).
I have 2 questions please.
1. Does anyone know the mobile number of Karma? If yes, please give it to me asap.
2. A less important question: Has anyone succeeded in transforming their anger with siblings, into something positive?
Empathy to you from me.
“I was the only female and 10 years younger than my older brother, which posed a problem right off. He seemed to take the attitude towards me my younger brother and me that we weren't good enough in some way to be his equal - never said it, you just KNEW.”
“superiority business”
I must say —- there is something similar here with me too.
My brother, 7 years older.
I went to Harvard.
He went to Standford.
We both got a good education.
I hold a PhD. On my way to professor.
He is also very successful.
But — the fact that he’s older, there is somehow a very bad attitude of him towards me.
“Anyway, the barrier was broken, and from then on until he died, we had a better and better relationship, despite my sister in law.”
Amazing, so nearly dying, changed his attitude. It’s almost unheard of, that a mean sibling becomes nice.
“Anyway, don't count on it, keep your "doors" open”
I have always done so — until yesterday/today. He did something very bad. I have now really cut further.
THANK YOU for your kind words and help.
I will definitely be turning this negative into a positive experience, somehow.
Hello Karma
:) :)
One thing that has helped my spouse and I some is that we send BIL occasional updates that just list things we've done over the past month; for example a list of visits/calls we've made on mom's behalf, summary of chores we've done for her, etc. Not bragging, just a factual summary of what's been done on Mom's behalf. We act like he'd like to be kept informed and try to keep it somewhat friendly and not judgmental or passive aggressive (which is tricky I have to admit.) Maybe this doesn't make any impact on the BIL but it helps us feel that at least we are keeping him informed of what we've been been doing for his mom. He can't plead ignorance at least. Best of luck to you. Just know you are not alone.
“I'm sorry that's happening to you and I wish I knew the magic answer to help.”
Sweet.
“Best of luck to you. Just know you are not alone.”
Thanks!!! Best of luck to you too!! :)
After several years of caring for his parents at their home with little or no help from his out of town siblings, my husband & I came to the conclusion that when his brothers do visit (rarely), it is solely to visit his parents and not to offer to help US in any way. They could call ahead of time to see if we need anything or if there is something they can do, but they do not. That's just the way it is.
They know very well what it is that we do for their care and they are not interested in participating or helping out, for whatever reason. IMO, they are not going to change, and that's fine. We have moved beyond being angry or resentful. Best of luck to you!
Thank you, good luck to you too :).
“We have moved beyond being angry or resentful. Best of luck to you!”
Good!!
I’m doing the same.
Forget Karma. Anger is a waste of energy.
You just have to take the high road. That is really my only advice. You can't change anyone. I consider my brother a "casual when he feels like it" visitor to mom. Once I removed his relevance and importance in my head, it made things easier for me. When he made the decision not to help his own mother, he mattered less to me....that's really the only way I can explain it.
He doesn't matter. You matter and your mom matters. Put your energy there.
Sending hugs your way!
I appreciate the folks in this forum. Be strong.
Be strong too.
“one sister called the other to ask why I was trying to get all the attention... we are damned for some folks no matter what.”
Guilty people NEED to put others down.
“I am reading how familiar this issue is to so many of us”
We must all be on a GIGANTIC boat together :).
Hugs!!!!
Let’s hang in there.
This nightmare has brought my aunt and I closer. This is my "positive outcome".
Hugs!!! I hope many other positive outcomes will appear! :)
As I wrote, my brother also causes trouble, and I protect my parents.
Hug!!
I have been disowned by my only older sibling. I did all the caretaking while she lived her life in other states. Both parents now deceased. Her response when I told her I did not want her to come live with me - "You have always been jealous of me. You are a hypocrite." She has huge debt, she ran off to Algeria to get married to an Algerian half her age, now she lives alone in California in debt. I did offer her to come join me and then I realized my house is way too small for the both of us. A bungalow - Only 1 bedroom. 720 square feet. I started having really bad anxiety attacks. So I told her not to come. That quote fom her to date is my last contact with her. It breaks my heart but being 73 years old I finally learned no matter how you try to keep family members happy in the long run you must do what is right for you. I feel no anger towards her. I just feel sad that us both being in our seventies she is throwing temper tantrums like a small child. Her problem. I had to sell my mother's and my home of 48 years to pay my mother's debts, funeral, probate fees. I went through probate of my mother's estate with no help from my sister. Yet I am the "bad guy". Go figure. How she reacts toward me is her problem. Quite frankly no contact is a relief. The being on edge trying to walk a titerope to keep peace with her is gone.
I wish you well in your journey as caregiver. Do what you must and ignore the negative people. A lesson I learned the hard way late in life.
I also wish you well, of course!!
“Do what you must and ignore the negative people.”
YES :)
I loved every sentence!
My mom is 92 and in an assisted living facility. I have two siblings and many nieces and nephews. I visit mom really regularly, and sometimes really regularly is too much. My husband and I spent many hours with mom at Christmas. My one bro visited for a very brief time period. Of all of our 18 family members, it was just 3 of us that spent time with mom for the holiday.
Whenever the AL contacted me about mom because she was sick and in need of going to the hospital, the first call I make is to my one brother. The other brother and his wife are useless so we don't speak (AT ALL). No crying here.
So, two weeks ago, I missed the call from AL, so they contacted my one brother who never, ever contacted me. I got a call from the hospital the next morning saying mom was in the hospital. WHAT?
I immediately sent a text to my brother explaining the situation as I knew it. Then I called the AL wondering why I wasn't informed about mom's hospital transfer. I was told that they called my brother. OMG. WHAT? Then I CALLED my brother and read him a very subdued riot act. (I amazed my self with how subdued my riot act was.) He said he didn't feel it was necessary to call me because the ER said mom would be going back to the AL shortly. However, he called my useless brother who has seen mom 3-4 times in a year. My brother did not even go to the ER to see mom (which I most definitely would have).
My first reaction about my brother getting the call and not contacting me was that I would not contact him in the future if I get calls. However, that is not in my nature. He will be called, but not necessarily the first call I make.
Make sure you take care of you. If you have control of their money, be sure to "pay yourself" for services you have rendered.
I think this boat must be HUGE, because there are so many of us.
Terrible, regarding ER, your brother, etc.
I had a similar scenario.
Hug!!!
“If you have control of their money, be sure to "pay yourself" for services you have rendered.”
I completely understand people who are paid.
I myself don’t want to get paid.
Hug.
Does your brother's POA status permit him to interfere with whatever choices you are making? If he cannot interfere and if your parents money is paying the costs, then leave your brother out of your thinking. Focus on how well your parents are being taken care of and how efficiently you are handing their affairs, just as you would be doing if you were an only child. If/when our parents and legal matters and paperwork need to be taken care of, accept the help of the bankers and brokers and professional people who know how things need to be done. most of the professionals are enormously patient and helpful. They are used to people being distressed and overwhelmed while they are not and they can handle legalities systematically.
I didn’t say caregiving.
I said I help. :)
We have hired caregivers at home.
BUT, I’ve helped with mannnnnnnnnnnnnny things (medical and non-medical).
Details unimportant.
I only asked whether some people have managed to transform their anger (against siblings) into something positive.
“then leave your brother out of your thinking”
All these things are already being done. Yes I make decisions without him.
That’s not the problem. My brother causes my parents trouble. I then have to fix it. Etc.
“Focus on how well your parents are being taken care of and how efficiently you are handing their affairs”
Yes.
But obviously, as is the case for many people, it’s not just helping 1 hour here and there. Then there’s not much to be upset about.
There are mannnnnnnnny problems (medical and non-medical). Not all can be solved by hired people. It lands on me.
It’s ok - that’s how it is. I posted uniquely to know if some people managed to transform their anger (against their siblings).
I love my parents. :)
Paperwork, I already took care of all that.
Hug!!
:)
“Sending lots of hugs and good karma your way...”
THANK YOU.
And of course, I wish the same for you — and all of us here on this forum. I know we’re all dealing with things.
Thank you for your wonderful message.
“You do YOU and do what you think is best. Let it go and leave your brother to his own devices.”
YES.
Unfortunately, we must at times be in contact.
But, I have cut him out of my life. He’s awful.
Let go of anger, yes.
I believe the same.
Hugs!!!
Courage. :)
I ask because for me anger is dependent on the transgression, if it is something minor just not worth the energy. Just live your best life, do the best you can. No one can shame you and you have no reason to feel bad.
“I ask because for me anger is dependent on the transgression, if it is something minor just not worth the energy.”
Of course.
And since I’m angry, it must be big transgressions.
:)
However, I’m going to transform this negative stuff to positive.
:)
“Just live your best life”
Yes :)
THANK YOU for so many kind words, and good advice.
So…let me update the situation here.
I have been counting (I’m a very precise person), and we are mannnnnny (that’s how I measure things. Little, many. I don’t have many units of measurements)…
We are mannnnnny people in the same boat.
I’m a bit concerned, because…you know what happened to the Titanic…
(OK, it collided into an iceberg. And the passengers weren’t helping their elderly parents).
OK, OK.
Anyway…
Courage everyone.
We will manage :).
We’re kind people.
How can we possibly not manage?
An unkind person has already failed.
Accumulating wealth doesn’t mean you’re a successful human being.
Sooooo,
while we’re on this boat together, COURAGE :).
Hello Karma :)
Prior to living in memory care, my parents never saw him and asked me endlessly where he was. It makes me furious.
We all got along well until things
went south with my parents health, but he’s honestly always been a true flake. I’m not sure we will recover the relationship and it’s very sad.
“We all got along well until things went south with my parents health”
This is common.
It’s in hard times, that you see the true nature.
Hello Karma
2. I sometimes sit and imagine the sweet release of faking my own death.
I don't know how I will transform my anger. Sometimes I shake with anger when I have to speak to certain family members - I have to do breathing exercises and walk while I talk. The caregiving experience has been enlightening to say the least. Ironically, the ones crowing about "blood being thicker than water" and "family" are most prone to abandoning a loved one like a threatened Quokka throwing their young towards an approaching menace. One particularly annoying morning I heard someone discuss the concept of success through the lens of stoicism, that virtue is the pinnacle of success and sometimes that is enough for me.
Virtue
I like your attitude!! :)
“Sometimes I shake with anger when I have to speak to certain family members”
Same here. And I’m sure for many.
You feel it physically.
The worse you’ve been treated, the more you’ll feel it throughout your body.
Courage :).
And as others have told me, you do YOU :).
Hug!!
Hello Karma :)
I fully empathize.
Middle brother could not (prison, in and out) and the other started out somewhat involved(sometimes a no show ) then became unreliable. I was working fulltime.
Mom went to adult day care for a while, I had aides but it all became too much as she needed more care.
When she went into a facility, the oldest brother never visited her nor asked if she needed anything. When she died, we had a blowout argument. He told me that he said goodbye to her when she went in there. He had a long simmering anger at Mom. Believe me, I asked why.
What I got were complaints but no real reason to me. Maybe they were reasons for him. The middle brother visited a few times after he got out. Was he able to help? No, he needed help for himself. Not every sibling has the same relationship to the parent as the other does. I know the mother she was to me.
Mom was in the facility 7 years before she died in 2010. I was her advocate and had many battles to make sure that she got excellent care.
Since then, the middle brother has died (he ended up in a facility-cancer) I was his advocate. The oldest last brother is now in facility because he did not take care of himself.
His wife and son died . He has no one else. He got ill last year and called 911 to take him to the hospital, from there rehab and then a long term facility as he is not capable of taking care of himself.
So, for the last 11 months, I have been his advocate. I visit. Not everyday but several times during the month. I take him things he needs and asks for. I am involved in his care conferences and speak my concerns. Follow up on them. He can speak his wishes and concerns, also.
My third go around at caregiving.
In order to do this, I had to come to terms with my feelings about him and his not being there for Mom. Every now and then, the fiery feeling of resentment comes up. I let it, whether I say it out loud or write it in a journal. I have had therapy, it has been helpful. I am still a work in progress.
How many times have I thought, huh, I ought to just walk away. This is my time, now that I have retired. He is not my father or husband or beloved. He is my brother. I know that there were times I wasn't there for him.
Karma? Perhaps, who knows? The shoe could have been on the other foot. Could've been me. Knowing that if it was, he would not be there for me.
Call me a fool or a chump but I can't walk away. I do what I can when I can but NOT over extending myself and my needs.
Karma is not up to us, thank God. You never know how life will turn out.
You will be faced to deal with your brother when your parents are no longer here.
Get your feelings out as much as possible however you need to. Save your energy for taking care of yourself and your parents.
Have I transformed my anger into positivity? I don't know about that, he enjoys what I bring him and the help that I give him. I just know that I can't carry that anger around. Too heavy a burden.
I get it. It is not right nor fair but it is the cards you have been dealt unless he changes.
Your answer is amazing, loving, kind.
You’re amazing. Despite everything, you helped/help your brother.
HUG.
I really hope your life is OK too. Please shower yourself with kindness.
“Get your feelings out as much as possible however you need to.”
I agree.
“Have I transformed my anger into positivity? I don't know about that, he enjoys what I bring him and the help that I give him.”
Amazing.
Your attitude, your kindness.
“It is not right nor fair but it is the cards you have been dealt”
Yes.
I wish you to be surrounded by love & care & happiness. Please make sure your life is OK, good!!! Great!! (not just OK). Hug!!!!
Hello Karma
I will ask you and all the people who responded. Please listen to your public officials when they run for office. The Baby Boomers are retiring and are living longer with more health care issues. Please Vote and share your concerns.
And you are an awesome daughter! Thank you for taking care of your mother!
Stay Inspired,
Shonda
Nice :).
It was actually just my intention to make us smile/laugh.
:)
“And you are an awesome daughter! Thank you for taking care of your mother!”
Thanks!! :)
I help both my parents :).
Wishing you well!
He is basically (legally) bound to whatever his says. You both need to be on the same one, because he can take credit for the things you do.
At least he doesn't get disagreeable. If he did, I'd say that you have full physical custody, therefore your decisions stick.
They won't get better. Can you have him visit and you take off some time? My brothers eyes were opened after he realized what I did. Out of sight, out of mind. He needs to come spend about a week with you.
I’m sorry to hear you’re in the same situation. Would have been great to hear:
Huh??? Never heard of such a thing, a bad sibling.
—————————
You said:
“At least he doesn't get disagreeable.”
My sibling is super, duper disagreeable.
Hug!!
:)
Consider that you didn't have a brother, you would be doing all these things to ensure your parent's well being alone anyway.
Sometimes anger and wishing/hoping for revenge through Karma is a result of comparison and jealousy. Not the type of jealousy from thinking someone is better than you but instead from comparing what a person does as opposed to what their sibling doesn’t do is a kind of jealousy.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, even conjoined twins, have their own personality characteristics. Even though we are from the same family, what can be enraging is the expectation that blood related people do not fit in to our framework of expected behavior.
We presume that if we share parents, we have been programed to think and behave the same way. I know you know better but since it's so close to "home" it's confounding, and compounded by the hurt that your brother is not only turning his back on your parents, but he's turning his back on you as well.
You would not do that. He is not you. He is selfish, or ill equipped, or hasn’t a clue about sacrifice. He may have deeper problems. Maybe he thinks that whatever he did or suggested it would be met head on with objection and he’s sick of it.
View him as an accidental member of you family, as you are really. Basically a stranger. If he had been a neighbor from around the block you would not be angry. It’s only because he is so close.
This won’t last forever, unless you enjoy festering. Whenever he pops into your mind play music, or go for a walk. You wish he were like you, can you be like him? No? And he can’t be like you either.
Btw, was he ever asked to help with anything before your parents needed him? Was he ever expected to contribute any effort for family?
Compassion is a learned thing. My brother was not a prince. He was The Prince. I'm seriously surprised he knows how to wipe his own butt.
You may say, well no one taught me. You are on a higher plane. There are men who are excellent caregivers and intuitive but your brother is not one of them.
Does your brother take good care of himself or of his own? Was your brother ever criticized for his efforts? Did you ever say to him "Look I'm in over my head. I need you. I need you to do exactly these things. I hope that you can work with me". People are not mind readers.
Consider too, are you more comfortable directing you anger on him rather than your parents or yourself.
Hi! :)
My brother not only doesn’t help. He causes trouble to our parents. I then must fix the added problems.
“Maybe he thinks that whatever he did or suggested it would be met head on with objection and he’s sick of it.”
No. I, like many, would be overjoyed with the ideas/help.
There are people in this world who don’t help, and it’s not because:
—they’re incapable
—ignorant, unaware
—etc.
None of these reasons would upset me.
I must have my reasons, yes? :)
“Did you ever say to him "Look I'm in over my head.””
Of course.
How could it be, that I had never asked.
I asked.
My parents begged him.
Etc.
“Consider too, are you more comfortable directing you anger on him rather than your parents”
I have zero anger towards my parents. They gave us everything.
Their emergencies are not their fault.
I love my parents.
We will all get older one day. We all need help when vulnerable.
Hug!!
Hello Karma
Here we go. In this boat.
Courage.
I’ll be gone a while. I’m now speedily writing my memoir (AlvaDeer's idea). As I mentioned:
Provisional working title: The Road to Positive, Calm and Infinite Tranquility
Realistic Title: %/)(·/$)(Q/·=!)(·=!)"(=(/=··$!!!!!!!
GROUP BOAT HUG!!
:)
Hello Karma :)
I literally burn my anger into workouts and at age 50 I am starting to have creaky days but also am pretty strong! Fyi I try not to ever think about my sibling but every now and then have to deal with that situation….so instead of repressing anger I turn it into muscles!
Overall I’d say bad situation being morphed into something positive, yes! Truly wishing you the best of luck
From one martial artist to another.
I am black belt, karate.
:)
Truly wishing you the best of luck too!!
Coincidentally, in the past month that sibling was injured through a stupid stunt she pulled and my father was hospitalized (unrelated). In the haze of pain killers maybe, the sibling sent me a long letter apologizing for having been so absent. Perhaps being laid up without anyone to help her, she realized how much I had been doing for Mom and Dad. Due somewhat to her injury, she was unable to be with Dad at the end. She has been experiencing extreme heartache and remorse that among other things, she was a horrible teenager to parents who were wonderful, and that has been basically absent the past 3 years. She's seen how loving and supportive of mom and me my adult kids were through Dad's last week of life and how absent her only child was. She literally told me through tears that she thinks Karma has caught up with her. It caught up with her earlier than i expected, but I do believe that most people who have done so little for their parents will eventually experience a lot of guilt.
It may not happen in time for you to see it, so in the meantime, follow the good advice that's already been given here and try not to let the anger and resentment take over your life. I know it's hard. I sometimes count the hours I've spent neglecting my own life while taking care of Mom and Dad and thinking of all the fun things I could have been doing instead. But in the end, I will have no regrets for how I treated them.
“try not to let the anger and resentment take over your life.”
Yes.
Hug!!! :)
“If I had that number I'm afraid you would only get a busy signal because I have a list”
:)
Curiosity got the best of me, and I called the one number I have (Wearynow suggested 1-800-IN-YOUR-NEXT-LIFE).
What happened?
Well, just as you would expect.
First, I was put on hold. Duh.
Next, I was told to choose between 3 options. So unoriginal.
Finally, after choosing option 3, I was told a long, sob story about how Karma is sick, fever in bed…
It sounded like one big excuse to me.
Then I started telling MY sob story.
And then, Karma said to me, “Listen to Grandma1954. Forget about me.”
Hugs to us :)
Yes! :)
Good!! :)
“and my brother, who had arrived days before from across country, left to return home WHILE she lay on her death bed”
:(
“That left me alone with her and mind you, I had already been living there for half the year.”
:(
Hug!!!
Similar with me too. I helped again and again, with emergencies (stayed with my parents). Brother? Partying somewhere.
“I could either continue to dwell on his oddness or let it go. I chose the later.”
Good.
Here too, I’m following Grandma1954 :). Anger is a waste of energy.
“Good luck to you, hellokarma.”
Thanks!! You too!! :) :)
“Don't let it eat you up.”
I promise.
Hello Karma