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He is very unsteady on his feet. He fell in the bathroom the day he came home and we had to call EMS to get him up. He needs to see his primary doctor within the next two weeks. I’m just not sure how I can transport him there and back safely. We barely could get him in and out of the car when we picked him up from rehab. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get him there?

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Hothouse, your update. Mom driving into the ditch, the house of cards. All of it. I get it!

Empathy is draining away from your burnt out shell. Will there be anything left when the real grieving time arrives?

'Caregiver fatigue' is what My Doctor called it.

Edit: Actually caregiver fatigue was 'burnout'.

'Compassion Fatigue' was the other term. I think it describes it well.
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As far as going back in January, you could postpone it. You’re burned out, they won’t cooperate, and as my grandmother used to say, “Let them stew in their own juice.”
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Hothouse, thanks for the update.
Yep, you are going to need to let mom drive the bus into the ditch.

Sad, but it will be her choices that determine her future.
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As to responses that he should have gone into managed care instead of coming home, if my mom had done that she would still be on a catheter and not walking. She only made these improvements at home with home visits of PT, a nurse and my guidance.
Of course it depends on whether your dad is physically safe in your home until he gets stronger. I am sure he is bigger and heavier than my 5 foot 140 pound mom — who will now be going to an ALF/memory care facility. But she’ll go in walking and without the catheter.
Wishing you good luck, strength and patience on this journey.
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As usual, rehab cut him loose when his Medicare payments would end...regardless that he was not really ready to go. This is what happened, correct?

Call his doctor and ask about video dr appt. Ask about in-home physical and occupational therapy (legs and arms) to get him built up a little. You can ask PT and OT to help him work with a walker. If dr insists on seeing him in person to set these things up, then call a medical (non-emergency) transport to get him there.
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I definitely agree with the idea of getting him a walker. I am surprised rehab has not insisted on it. He and you, also, should seriously consider him moving to assisted living. None of these ideas here in any way negates the love you have for your dad. These are decisions he does not want to make, these are things that he may think makes him less of an adult, and he needs for you to make these tough decisions. IMHO, and it comes from our own situation with my 94-year-old mother, whom I dearly love, you cannot do it yourself. It is draining, it is physically and emotionally draining. I have had one shoulder operation from trying, and am due to have a replacement on the other shoulder. I tell you this because this is real life - it does happen. You can put a strain on your body, your mental health, and on your family life. Your dad could find that he enjoys the assisted living. My mother, reluctantly, has to some extent. The thing is - I found that her attitude, her life in assisted living, and her relationship with my husband and I are just the same as when she lived with us. Her attitude and her actions and her decision-making abilities are no different, but the responsibility of "assisting" her are taken off our shoulders, at least physically. We take care of her bills, we do her shopping, we take her to her doctor's visits, etc., but we are able to go to bed at night without worrying that she is falling in her bedroom, her bathroom, or in our living room. She gets three meals a day, she has her medication taken care of by AL, she has people to talk to (and if she would just wear her hearing aids, she could actually hear them talk back, LOL), she has activities if she wants. The point is, you will not be improving your dad's life if you harm your own in the process of trying to do it all. It is okay to have a very frank talk with him about assisted living. It is NOT a nursing home. It is an apartment, with people working there to assist him. How much assistance is something you and he and, hopefully, rehab and the AL can establish. He can come and go as he pleases, as long as he is physically and mentally able. You need to know that as overwhelming as this whole situation may be for you and your family, change is part of life, and you do not have to carry it all on your own. It is okay for you to say to your dad, you need more help than I can give you.
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Hothouseflower Dec 2022
Thanks for your response. I have both my mother and father living here in this house, both 94 with different health issues. Between the two of them we have five walkers. Neither has dementia. My parents refuse to go into assisted living. They have not put their affairs in order, made no attempt at protecting their assets when they could have, no powers of attorney. Nothing. I am beyond livid with them for this, I don't think I will ever feel the same way about them because of this. They have this assumption that their children should be doing all this for them. If it was just one, I'd say it would be possible to keep one home but with two of them, one with cardiac issues and the recovering from Covid (because he got it at the hospital during his last stay) and colon cancer, it is a freaking nightmare.

My mother finally said last week that my father should be in a. facility and I said I agreed and told her she needed to go to an elder care attorney to find out the best way to finance this since they do not have Medicaid. She seemed receptive. The next morning when I brought it up again she said "it is what it is." I flipped out and told her that one daughter is getting burned out, one daughter is doing absolutely nothing, and I who live 3,000 miles away and already devote 6 months a year of my life to this fiasco refuse to do more. She got mad at me.

I have decided to give my mother the steering wheel to the bus she so badly wants to drive. I am leaving to go home on Thursday and won't be back until January. Feel bad that I am leaving my sisters in the lurch over the Holidays but Imy husband and I are going home to have Christmas with our daughter and grandchildren and then on a family vacation for one week. I don't think I'm even going to get a wifi package on the ship so I will be totally off the grid. As my mother would say "It is what it is."

We have two aides one in the morning and one in the late afternoon/early evening but this is a house of cards. I am hoping they will stay until the situation finally changes. My mother has always been a very difficult person and can be extremely nasty and can really take you down with her tongue. She made one of the aides cry recently and I just felt so bad about that. It was not deserved. I am afraid she will leave.

I've been through some lousy times in my life but this has got everything else beat. This can't end soon enough. I don't think I will have it in me to even grieve when it's over.
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Please talk to the physical therapists at rehab about what they were using for his mobility - walker, wheelchair, cane...? I would suggest a walker with wheels at the very least to help him balance.
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Hothouseflower: Perhaps instead of coming HOME from rehabilitation, he should have entered managed care FACILITY living.
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My sympathies to you and your dad for this worry.
My mom too came home from rehab very unsteady. It was a challenge getting her into my van to bring her home and in trying to get her to her primary care doctor the next day—she very nearly fell! And would have if our neighbor had not heard the commotion and came to help.
Anyway—mom’s primary immediately ordered home health care—physical therapy and a nurse. This went on for 2 months and mom is walking well with her walker!
Ask the primary to order home PT.

As to how to safely get your dad to the primary appointment, ask the primary care doc. They should know what’s available and possibly even come to the house for you.

I bet your dad will continue to improve with in-home PT.
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In PA we have Rabbit transit, they are helpful in transporting your patient even in a wheelchair. See of you state offers anythin like this. You have to register first, but then Dr Appointment have priority over other places you might need or like to take him.
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Advise his Physician re fall and transport concerns for safety reasons ( for you as well as him).
Ask PCP re advice going forward re in home falls and transfer/ transport.

And/ or there are home care services who will schedule transport to and from appointments, with appropriate qualified attendant. Ask PCP about these .

Is this rehab time and he is expecting to bounce back ? Or does he perhaps have illness advancing that may require another level of care? ( I. E. Facility based rehab?? Hospice??? other home health care services???
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cons hiring home health aide through an agency to help get him in vehicle and ready and assist you with getting him to doctor and back. Some have 4 hour minimum. Take the full 4 hours. They can help toilet him before and when gets back and do some light housekeeping for the rest of the time if time left. It’s worth it. Also google senior transportation service in your town or city. I just found a service this week that we will use. Pt can be ambulatory or in wheelchair. We costs a little more but service will transport in van door to door.
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Beekee Dec 2022
It may be hard to find an agency aide who will do less than a 12-hour shift. So you might be paying about $400 for the day.
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A wheelchair and transport assistance. You can pay for that type of transport or call senior services in your area, maybe get low cost or free. If on a budget, some places borrow out or rent out wheelchairs. Or maybe a zoom call with the doctor?? Sounds like he also needs caregiver assistance, home redone for disability, safety. God bless your evolving situation!
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There are transport services in many areas specifically for older people needing to go to the doctor. Ask your doctor
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Beethoven13 Dec 2022
Or google Senior transportation in xyzcity. I just found one in my parents smaller city. Rates reasonable. One price for ambulatory, slightly more for wheelchair but service does the work and gets them safely in both ways.
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Is there any follow-up home care or PT prescribed? That may depend upon why he was in Rehab in the first place.
Medical transport services are expensive, but they would be a safer way to manage an in-person doctor visit if a video or phone appt is not available. Some appts need to be in person for the doctor to make a necessary evaluation.
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Hi there, I have a similar situation and we have let the doctor know that we can not transport and they were happy to schedule us a video appointment. We have also had a home health nurse come and take vitals then r
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I say this with love and compassion. Dad’s needs are beyond home care both physically and emotionally. Should he fall (or unable to rise from sitting/bed) again, instruct emergency services to transport him to the hospital. From there it will be a much more efficient transition to the safety of a facility with the skills and infrastructure to give Dad the care he needs. You will be able to be his daughter, not an exhausted caregiver. I know this is so hard on you. Hugs.
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When my dad returned home from rehab (with caregivers) he started using a wheelchair van for transportation. At this point he was wheelchair bound but it sounds as if your dad needs this.

Through his primary we set up Home Health for speech, OT & PT each week to build up his strength.
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Is he using a Walker or wheelchair? Your father can no longer be safely alone and requires to be in an NH unless help comes in his residence, or yours. It may be necessary to hire a special medic van to transport him to appointments.
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My mother fell and broke her hip last May. I reached out to hospital staff for extra assistance and a nursing home near us was able to safely transport her. I didn't even know that was an option, so I'm glad I spoke up. I'm the only child taking care of her so it was much appreciated. Maybe a nursing home located near you can assist depending on their insurance and/or community resources that could be available to them. It doesn't hurt to ask. Also, skyping a Dr visit has worked for me in the past ... I hope that helps. Your thinking ahead puts you above the curve.
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For every appointment, consider if a phone/video appoinment could suffice instead.

Hauling someone with high falls risk & poor mobility across town needs to be worth it imho. Not if only a 5 min chat & BP check.

For appointments in person, I second wheelchair transport. You can meet him there. Ensure he or you take whatever walking aide he uses if he needs to walk at all once there.
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This is not related to what you are asking, so I apologize, but are you really sure that neither of your parents are suffering from any mental decline? At 94 and 97, it's VERY common, though obviously not in 100% of the people. Look at their behavior honestly without making any excuses for any deficits or odd behaviors. Sometimes it's subtle.

Moving on....I agree with many posters that you need to stop propping them up so much. They are not nearly as independent as they think they are. Your family deserves more time for other pursuits instead of helping mom and dad think they're doing so well "on their own". It has been a gift for them to be at home until their mid 90s.

To your question - the only safe way to transport him is a wheelchair service. Meet him at the doctor's office but do not attempt to drive him anywhere.

Best of luck.
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Just for the future.

If Dad winds up in Rehab again have him evaluated for 24/7 care. If a SNF is attached you can have him transferred over to the SNF. You then see an elder lawyer about splitting ur parents assets. Dads split will be spent down and when almost gone Medicaid applied for. Mom stays in the home, gets enough of monthly income to live on and a car.

There are options.
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The rehab gasslighted you. This is typical of many rehabs because they try not to assist you any farther. Our usual responses would have been "unsafe discharge" They could have helped you to work out other options
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KNance72 Dec 2022
True my Moms rehab said she was independent to leave - someone lied and said “ she lived with me ? “. I lived 80 miles away from her - she had to go to a skilled nursing facility after 3 weeks .
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I wanted to thank everyone for taking the time to respond to me with a lot of good advice and wisdom. Up until my father came home we had a fairly good handle on the situation. The ground has now shifted and we need to make new arrangements.

I have to say I gave a lot of similar tough love advice to other posters. I see now it’s very different when it’s your own family. This is very hard, and as I said in the past I wish this slog was over already.
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BarbBrooklyn Nov 2022
Oh my, so true!

Telling my mom "I can't do this anymore" is the single hardest thing I've ever done.
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Others have given advice on how to get him there, but please! Go look at facilities ASAP, take pictures, record videos of conversations you have with the staff there, and do everything you can to make it an easy decision for them to GO. There are some beautiful places with wonderful caregivers, and your parents deserve that. This is a horrible life you're all living, and it could be so much better. Before someone dies on your watch, get them to a safe place.
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HotHouse; I read some of your other posts. It seems like your mom and dad simply think that you should "do" for them. They made no plans for aging. Their (unreasonable) expectation is that you, your DH and your sisters should all give up your lives so that they can live unsafely at home.

It is way past time for you (and maybe your sisters will join you in this) to say "No, mom, I can't possibly do this any more. I am a senior too. You'll have to make other arrangements."

You've been living there for a MONTH and you feel guilty because you had Thanksgiving dinner with a good friend? Puleese.

You really need to realize that you feel GRIEF that your parents are declining and not GUILT that you haven't prevented that from happening.

I had an aunt to finally had to place uncle. She always thought he'd die if placed. Well, she died of a heart attack shortly after placement. He lived, happy as a clam in a good AL for several more years.
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Beatty Nov 2022
This happens way too much 😞.

I've just heard similar unfold.. one person 'placed' & the person the main care burden had fallen on then collapsed.
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Check with the city where they live and there might be senior transport available. Our city did have a wheelchair lift and transport to/from appointments free of charge. However, driver will probably not come inside senior's home. Driver will probably not lock doors or assist the person out of the house and to the curb. The person receiving the ride needs to be able to do that themselves or someone else needs to be there to get the person's coat on, lock the door, fetch their purse/belongings, and get them to the curb.

Another idea is that if the PCP is affiliated with a major hospital system, there could be transport available through the hospital system. Same would likely apply as what I wrote above in terms of the driver will not come inside, etc.

I'm concerned that your dad was discharged from the facility in such condition that you could barely get him in the car. I had this done to me by a facility as well. My loved one was discharged home and was nowhere near ready to be home. The "home care plan" had looked good on paper, but turned out to have more holes than a sponge. LO is a permanent nursing home resident now, but it was no small task getting her there. Lots of falls while at home, protests by family members that facility care was not needed, etc.
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See PCP who probably didn't bother with him while in rehab?

If he and you insist, medical transport, if you can at least get him to the front door, and have senior transport in your area, that could be an option as well.
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BarbBrooklyn Nov 2022
Cover, PCP's can't go into rehabs where they don't practice. It's not a matter of not bothering.

Hothouse, I got into the habit of thinking had about what medical folks asked me to do for mom.

One pulmonologist, in his office said to me " you could pop your mom across the street for a chest scan..."

I looked at my frail 92 yo mom, my own arthritic self, mom's wheelchair and the 6 lane highway we would need to "pop" across (mom had come to this appointment in medical transport).

I just looked at the doctor. He said "or I could order an in-house chest xray be done at the nursing home, right?".

Yes, doc.

Start standing up for yourself.
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If they have sound minds and want to be "independent" then perhaps you should leave them to it.

Let them practice their independence and you practice yours. Say "I can't possibly do that" the next time there is a fall, an illness or a dire need.

If they are of sound mind, they will see that they are only independent with your help.

It sounds as though when rehab was ready to release dad, you should have allowed him and mom to figure out how to get him home and not picked him up. He may have needed to become a LTC resident.

It is fine to provide some scaffolding to our parents as they age. It's NOT okay to lose your own life while doing that.
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