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She goes out for a manicure once a month, gets her hair done bi-weekly, out to restaurants for breakfast once a week, trips out for ice cream and farm stands. All of this, with an 80-something- year-old male companion she has been with about 8 years. He drives her to all of these places. However, he has health issues and both are weak, hardly able to walk independently, but still they go. My brother and I are quite concerned they will either hurt themselves (fall, choke, auto accident) or they will cause auto accident and hurt someone else. The gentleman has 2 sons, but we are not sure to what extent they know what their father is doing. He visits my mom daily at her assisted-living facility. What, if any, is our responsibility as her children if something happens while they are out and about? not sure to what extent the sons know what their father is doing. He visits my mom daily at her assisted-living facility and signs her out when they go somewhere. We have agreed in the past that he could drive her within 1 mile of her assisted-living facility however over the month the visits outside of the facility have them driving all over the county on some occasions and this was prior to his failing health. What, if any, is our responsibility as her children if something happens while they are out and about. She would be quite angry if we contacted the sons and expressed our concerns. Do we have the ability to limit, if not refuse, to allow them to leave the assisted living facility. She has very limited short-term memory and confuses quite easily.

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I don't know what you mean by "what is our responsibility"? Do you mean legal liability? If so, there is ZERO responsibility. You are not this man's guardian or POA. You have no obligation to check up on him. Your mother wants to go to lunch, to appointments, wherever with him. Let her.

If you are asking about moral responsibility, again, there is none. This gentleman is still driving. So is my guy at 84 and he's excellent. Whether he is safe to drive or not isn't your business or your concern.

Will you at some point get a call that while they were out they were in an accident? That one of them fell? Perhaps. You are BOUND to get "the call" about "something" soon enough in any case.

I would not interfere on the face of what you have told us. I am certain other may. I would not.

I see below that you say you are POA. I have zero idea the level of dementia your mother suffers from. Only you know that. If you feel her dementia is so severe that she has no idea where she wants to go or why? Then, yes, you have some call to make here. However you tell us she has a beau, wants to get her hair done, get manicures, go to the farm stand, go for ice cream and go out to restaurants. To ME that isn't someone with a level of dementia in which she cannot make those decisions for herself.
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I just told my daughter that if I live to be 100 and have dementia, and also have an 80 year old friend that wants to drive me to a hair and nail salon, and take me out for ice-cream, to please NOT put a stop to it.

I'd rather die enjoying myself than being cooped up in a building because someone is afraid that I might fall or be in a car wreck.
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JoAnn29 Sep 26, 2024
Its not that they get in a car wreck, its that he may kill someone.
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suegr49, welcome to the forum. Just curious, who told you there was a concern about your Mom's friend and his driving?


The way I see it, any one of us could fall, choke, or be in a car accident at any age. Teenagers tend to get into car accidents more so then older folks. And with regard to this gentleman having problems with walking, people of all ages who have problems with walking do drive. If this gentleman's children haven't stopped him from driving, then they feel he is ok to drive.


Let your Mom enjoy herself, my gosh she is 100 years old, and still on the go. Amazing and delightful. Otherwise if Mom is tethered to the Assisted Living, never to go out, she could pass on quicker as her brain isn't being challenged.
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cover9339 Sep 19, 2024
Interesting you mention this, you may not have read about the 92 yr old woman who hit a mother and her daughter, (the daughter sadly died from her injuries). She got out of her SUV and appeared like nothing was wrong, and..

Just a few days ago an 80 yr old man drove around a blocked out road closed due to flash flood and died, (his car and he were found the next day). In this case, he may have have a suicide wish.
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I'm impressed this guy goes by every day. At 100 years old I would like to be getting out. We are all going to die somewhere. According to the insurance industry she is much lower risk getting into a car with someone in their 80's than a teenager.

Let her enjoy her time left in this world.
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suegr49 Sep 19, 2024
We agree to her enjoying time left, just concerned at this point with physical and mental limitations. Thanks for your reply.
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You say that M “would be quite angry if we contacted the sons and expressed our concerns”. If they have an accident, you will certainly be in contact with the sons. If then, why not now? The liability issues are more for him and his sons than they are for you (because M is only a passenger). Perhaps just get in contact, but not to ‘gang up on them’ and automatically try and stop it.
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"both are weak, hardly able to walk independently"

Reason for my reply, he could kill someone. If he can hardly walk, then he is not capable of driving a car. He probably doesn't have the leg strength to stop a car if a car stops in front of him suddenly or a kid rides a bike right in front of him.
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AlvaDeer Sep 29, 2024
HOW did I miss that statement?
Yes, he should'nt be driving and she shouldn't be leaving without being accompanied by an able bodied assistant.
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Assisted living facilities are generally for people who need a little assistance and not for people with memory issues who require monitoring. Your mother's friend probably has no restrictions on his mobility - so he will go where he wants, when he wants. He is well within his bounds to do so and invite anybody along with him. This is a problem for you alone to manage.

Your options:
1 - Move mom from assisted living to skilled care or memory care that will not allow her to leave facility without POA approval.
2 - Put an air tag on mom - probably her purse or a life alert type of jewelry (necklace) so you know where she is at all times.
3 - Have another talk with this friend and explain your concerns. Give him options that let him know that longer drives/outings are out of the picture. Let him know consequences could result in her not being allowed out of facility with him.
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The only concern is his driving. Perhaps they can do something around AL?
Let her have some companion and freedom of doing so.
This reminds me of Jeanne Louise Calment, french woman who lived 122 years. I believe at age 117 she quit smoking as advised by doctor.
Or she was advised to quit smoking and eating huge amounts of chocolate? She ate half a pound a day or so.
So maybe she quit both.
I can understand smoking but chocolates, non.
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suegr49: Perhaps it is the gentleman's sons responsibility.
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If she is in assisted living I’m very surprised she really should be in a memory care facility wing of the assisted living
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MiaMoor Oct 1, 2024
It doesn't sound as if she needs it, at this stage. It sounds as if she's coping with her condition surprisingly well.
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