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Makes me wonder what can be done to prevent these issues in our families. Very common. What can parents do? What can children do? What education is done about this and other family topics concerning seniors by organizations? I guess what I am saying is what is the best way or source to educate ourselves on senior matters?

I get confused at times as to which direction to take.
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Shell38314 May 2019
I once heard a very wealthy woman who had 4 growen boys tell her boys, "I don't want any of you (her boys) to complain about what I do for one or how I did xyz for one and not the other, because what I do for one in that moment in time I will do something for one of you as you need it. As God is not fair, but He is just! He knows what His kids can handle at that time in their life and what they can't handle. He knows every one of His kids and what they each went through. I am your mom she told them and I know each and every one of you. What you can handle and what you can't; moreover, I know when I should step in and when not to. Therefore, don't grumble about what I do for one because I will surely do something in the future for one of you.

I can't write it as well as she spoke it, but I think you get the point. Parents sometimes try to be fair to each kid, but is it really right? As each kid is different and handles things, responsibility, life stress differently.

That is the best answer I have tonight!
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The fact that your mother expects her children to support her delusion of independence does not equate with you and your sister stepping up to enable that delusion.
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NeedHelpWithMom May 2019
Salutem,

Yes, you have your hands full. It gets complicated when people cannot agree. Obviously, you and your sister have been responsible in caring for her. I get this as I am the primary caregiver for my mom. It’s tough to sort through all of this.

They become like our children. We have to make the best decision for them. Sometimes they don’t know what is best for themselves and those caring for them. We have to make the tough calls. It’s hard because we want to respect them.

It is sad your brother doesn’t help out. I do it all with no help from either of my brothers. I’ve accepted it. Don’t necessarily like it but I can’t stew over it or I’d make myself miserable. Been there, done that and not worth it. They are not going to change. I don’t have the power to change anyone.
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This is your mothers decision.
My opinion is that no one should EXPECT to be left an inheritance. If it happens great.
My feeling is the money that has been saved by your parents should be used for their care. This is what it was saved for.."we will save for our old age"..is usually how a conversation starts when a couple starts saving.
People now also have the option to purchase long term care insurance..if you can afford it. But in the past you saved for what was necessary when you were no longer working.
The money that your Mom has saved use it for caregivers.
Use it to get a better mattress for her bed so she is less likely to get pressure sores
Use it for what ever she needs to make her comfortable.
Prepay for her funeral and enough to have a nice luncheon after
If there is any left be grateful for what there is...it is more than you have right now.
Your Mom does not see that one child is doing more than another all she sees is you are ALL her children and she loves you equally.
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NeedHelpWithMom May 2019
Grandma, I get what you’re saying.

Care should come first. Who worked hard for that money? They did. So technically, bottom line, it’s their money.

How do I feel personally? I would reward the people who did more for me when I was living, if there was money left over after my care.

I would not necessarily shut out others if I still wanted to give them. If I did not want to give to certain people for my own reasons, I wouldn’t. Simple as that.

It’s not like they could argue with me after I am dead! 😂. Hahaha. Sorry, I have a twisted sense of humor at times.
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The person who needs to be told that it isn’t fair for you & your sister to shoulder all the burden is YOUR MOTHER. Not your brother. A parent has no right to burden to their children. If you are burdened by taking care of your mother then she needs to lessen that burden, don’t you think? Hire home care? Move to assisted living?

When one or more siblings chooses to take on the role of caregiver, it does not obligate everyone else to help. And those who chose not to help are neither self nor bad people.
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NeedHelpWithMom May 2019
Cali, I agree.

Yes, it shouldn’t be forced on someone to care for them. Some use emotional blackmail, etc. Awful to do to a child.

Should be a personal choice. Sometimes it’s complicated. Mom was left homeless after Hurricane Katrina. Crime is high in our city. Total mayhem after the storm. Very emotional time for all of us. Of course, I took in mom.

Had I had time to think about it fully without the emotional baggage of a major storm, I would have considered other options.
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"I would not accept payment because I do it from my heart. I just feel that it should be acknowledged that some have made great sacrifices, while my brother has been completely selfish. Even if my mom would just tell him that it isn't fair to make us shoulder all the burden, while he does nothing. He's always been spoiled and has always done exactly as he pleases."

If you can convince him that he should give you his inheritance, then all would be well, yes?

There is a big difference between inheritance (which tends to be based on equality of relationship, i.e., all children inherit equally) and remuneration, which is based lost wages, opportunity cost of investments and the like.

When my mom needed care, it was clear that none of us could provide hands on care for her. We all had jobs, mortgages, kids in school and obligations that out-weighed parental care.

It helps if you have a clear idea of what that hierarchy is:
Minor children
One's own health, mental, physical and financial, in no particular order. (You're no good to anyone if you're not healthy)

Your brother is looking out for himself, his children, his spouse?

You call that selfish. He calls that self-preservation.

Perhaps mom's care should be paid for by her assets or her entitlements. Or by Medicaid. If you choose to step in to take over, that's NOT brother's issue.
Spouse.
Adult children
Elderly parents.

As you can see, elderly parents place last in this hierarchy. That's because THEY are adults and were supposed to plan for their old age. There are entitlements for elders if they are destitute; not so much for those of us of middle age.
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Abby2018 May 2019
Amen to that.....and I’m in the same situation. Mom tries to guilt sister and I to do more, but honestly it does come down to self preservation and priorities. I still find I must be focused on that because it is easy to be swayed by doing a bit more each time I go to their home. Not happening. I have no idea what they were thinking over the past decade to prepare themselves for the present. Apparently they weren’t.
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if Your mom says everyone should inherit equally that’s her decision not yours.
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I'm in the same boat with my 92 year old dad. I have 3 other siblings, one even lives here in town, but they don't help. When it was time for someone to be guardian, no one stepped up to the plate and because I had been more involved with dad than anyone else, I was the lucky one. Now my life is fully immersed in his life (I walked away for 30 years when he was married to his second wife - I've been back for 4). It has taken a toll on my marriage. They are merely waiting in line for their portion of the inheritance.
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Lisa42 May 2019
Boundaries. It's all about boundaries. I have a caregiver come in to help with my dad, but he originally wanted me to do everything even though I was totally stressed out and depressed. I told him I just could not do that, so we settled on having a caregiver come in daily. I'm still stressed but it's a huge weight off as my only brother does not help at all. My dad is about the same age as yours. Take a boundaries class (as I tell others, "boundaries are your friends").
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I completely disagree that this has anything to do with "greed." It is about perceptions of unfairness among siblings, which is a thorny issue as old as the hills. I expect Salutem would be perfectly happy if nobody was to get a bean, just as long as her mother acknowledged that she and her sister were excellent children while her brother was less satisfactory and should be made to feel ashamed of himself.

Not going to happen. For which I can offer only a shoulder rub of sympathy.
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PandabearAUS May 2019
We both know that will never happen and it won’t make one ounce of difference in the end. I think this is more than just hurt feelings. Agree. If it’s too much sell up your mother’s assets and pay for full time care then bicker over what’s left later
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OK. I am going to go against the grain here and say, yes I think you are greedy
i think you see the end is near and you are looking for ways to take all, if not some of what would be your brothers inheritance
in Australia we have something called a carers payment which is income and asset tested. Only one person would be entitled to it. That would most likely be your sister
if your mother has left a will the law will most likely uphold that will. If your brother took you to court you would waste more on lawyers than you would hope to gain
if your mother does not have a will and she is competent she should do one or it could all end badly
wills don’t care about how good or bad you think your brother has been and neither does the law
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anonymous840695 May 2019
no, not greedy just want some fairness. Judgments tend to be projections of our own issues.
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This is all you need to know:

" my mom insists that we should all inherit equally"

That's shot the fox, as we say. End of discussion.

If your sister is not able to continue to provide care, and you resent providing care as long as your brother won't do his fair share, then the obvious solution is to use your mother's resources to pay for care either at home - if she's incredibly rich - or in a facility.

Or... would you feel better about it if your mother agreed to pay you for your time now?
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anonymous840695 May 2019
I would not accept payment because I do it from my heart. I just feel that it should be acknowledged that some have made great sacrifices, while my brother has been completely selfish. Even if my mom would just tell him that it isn't fair to make us shoulder all the burden, while he does nothing. He's always been spoiled and has always done exactly as he pleases.
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This is a difficult issue with many aspects. The ‘plus’ for leaving things equally is that parent loves the children equally, has done so for a lifetime, not just the last few years of caregiving, and has the right to leave their money how they wish. The ‘minus’ is that for the daughters, ‘love’ is the reason for providing care, and a brother who doesn’t provide care doesn’t match up to ‘love’. So should the will reflect the mother’s love for each child, or the child’s love for the mother – and does the love have to be practical?

The ‘wild card’ is that no matter how the will is worded, it can be changed by the parent because they fall out with a child in the last months of life. Or the will can stay as written but there can be no money left because the parent is scammed by a gold digger, or care costs have taken all the funds, or the parent develops a gambling problem, or etc etc etc.

Logically, by far the best option is to have a contract where parent pays the child for care giving, at the time it is happening. The will won’t need to be changed, because it leaves equally whatever is left in the estate. Once in place, it avoids a lot of problems, like siblings not wanting parent to go into a facility or get care in the home because it will reduce their inheritance. It allows a sensible choice between child providing the care and hiring outside caregivers - not 'free' versus 'expensive'. It also works as spend down for Medicare eligibility.

Children may need to take into account that the parent may need some financial support in the future if their own funds go down to nothing, and there is the problem of getting the contract in place between parent and caregiver child. Both parent and child may prefer to think that the care is for love, not money. All of us know that the care comes with love, even if payment is made, so the contract arrangement needs to be presented as ‘normal’ and ‘the right way to do things’. Using the forms on this site may help to deal with the first discussions, because quite clearly they present a 'normal' arrangement.
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anonymous840695 May 2019
thanks for your opinion. I don't know, and wouldn't know how to broach such a topic. I don't want her to think we're in it for the money. I just want her, of her own volition, to acknowledge that something more is owed to the children who are sacrificing their lives for her independence. She does I must admit acknowledge gratitude, and that is much appreciated. I think I'm just angry with my brother for not offering to do anything.
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I agree with Barb that you and your sister need to look into getting paid as caregivers.  See AARP webpage:

https://www.aarp.org/caregiving/financial-legal/info-2017/you-can-get-paid-as-a-family-caregiver.html

Google “Medicaid paying for family caregivers” and “how to get paid as family caregiver”

https://www.payingforseniorcare.com/medicaid-waivers/home-care.html

"Medicaid Payments to Family Members to Provide Home Care"

In most states, it is possible for family members to be paid by Medicaid for providing personal care to their loved ones. In brief, this process works as follows.

1) An individual applies for Medicaid
2) Once approved, they then sign-up for a specific Medicaid program that pays for home care and allows for "Consumer Direction". Consumer Direction means the beneficiary can select their care providers rather than have Medicaid choose providers on their behalf. 
3) The beneficiary then hires their family member as a personal caregiver. 
4) The family member / caregiver submits timesheets to and is paid by Medicaid or indirectly by a legally responsible 3rd party service.

Interested parties should be aware that in all but twelve states Medicaid prohibits legal guardians and spouses from being paid. Notably, Medicaid does not prohibit the adult children or ironically, ex-spouses for being hired and compensated, thereby resulting in some “Medicaid divorces”.
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anonymous840695 May 2019
my mom's not eligible for Medicaid. I just wish there was a way that she would be amenable to stipulating in her will that an unequal distribution of assets would be attributable to all of the time and effort put into caring for her so that she doesn't have to live in a facility, and also time and effort to insure she is not isolated.
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I don't think you sound greedy at all. We all have sibs who don't do anything. But unfortunately it really is up to your mom how and who get her things. And unfortunately parents don't plan for their care nor does anyone ever talk about who will be doing the caregiving. Think about...families talk more about who get what and what we should do when they (parents) die vs who is going to take care of mom or dad if something (alz/dementia) should happen. Then it falls mostly on one adult child. Sigh!

Does your brother know you and your sister need help? Have you come out and said, "hello, we need help with mom, even if it is a few hrs a week?!"

The truth is and I am going to lose popularity votes on this...but, your brother really doesn't owe your mom anything nor your sister or you. He has a right to live his life as we all do! Does it suck that sibs don't help? H3ll yes!!!

But the bottom line is he doesn't have to help to be part of the family nor to inherit anything. If your mom feels that everything should be divided than that is how it should be.

I know it doesn't seem fair, but here is something that I learned after my dad died in 2014. Parents know things that us kids can't possibly know. Parents know who kid can handle what! They know what each kid went through growing up! They know each kid's personality even if, they don't really like the personality! Most importantly it really is up to the parents. (I am talking about good parents.)

You have the right to feel anyway you want, but I am with Barb you and your sister should be paid now! Ask brother for help and if he choose not to than he made his choice and he has to live with that!



Just my 2 cents!
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NeedHelpWithMom May 2019
Shell,

My brothers know. They say no to my asking for help 99.9 percent of the time. I watched their kids a bazillion times! That’s just the type of people that they are.

My whole family was sexist. If I had been born male, according to them, mom would not have had a caregiver in the family. But since I am female, it was my job! Crazy!

But as my husband said to me, “If a woman is needed to care for your mom, how is it that they as men did not care for your father, shouldn’t they have done it as men?”

How do I go about getting paid?
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I know from experience how absolutely frustrating it can be to have siblings that don’t help.

My brother also lived close to my parents as well, and yet saw them only rarely. This broke their hearts.

I understand how alone and angered you feel at your brother’s unwillingness to put in any effort to see your mother when he lives so close.

Nonetheless, you must accept your mom’s wishes regarding the distribution of her estate. This choice is very personal and the decision is hers alone. This is not something that you should even discuss with her. Every person of sound mind has the right to make their own will. This will should never be influenced.

Someday you will have peace of mind because you were there for your mom. The greatest gift that I got from my parents was their time. I hope you feel the same.

So what can you do? Allocate the largest portion of your estate to your most loyal caregivers. Since you feel strongly about this issue, make sure that this doesn’t repeat with the next generation.
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anonymous840695 May 2019
he no longer lives close by. he lives about two hours away. he used to be about twenty minutes away. My sister has a daughter who is already selfish and will predictably do nothing. I have no children.
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I understand how you feel. I do everything for mom and my brothers do nothing. My mom feels the same way about equal sharing but I feel like her money should be allocated for her care. She doesn’t pay us either.

I don’t know if I could have been getting paid all this time, I don’t know anything about inquiring if I can be paid. Sure would be nice. I gave up an income to care for her. 14 years and counting. She lives in our home.

My mom does pay for her meds, drugstore items, poise pads, hand lotion, tissue, shampoo, soap, toothpaste, her personal stuff.
Best of luck to you and your sister.
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How about you and your sister get paid for the jobs that you are doing?

You need to work out a caregivers contract which should be vetted by a lawyer. It should lay out your duties and the rate you are paid.
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NeedHelpWithMom May 2019
This is a good suggestion if you feel it can work, Salutem.
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