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Offkilter, I am so glad mom is now in the hospital.

I wanted to add something else to my post. It is not just the doctor at the hospital who decides when and where mom gets to discharged to. Hospital doctors are only looking at what is medically necessary, and don't really concern themselves with the ADL's.

I made it a point, when my mom was in the hospital and the "discharge planner" was telling me the doctors said mom "would be fine to go home!" (she so would not have been) to ask the nurses on the floor what time PT would be in to "walk" mom, and I made it my business to be there when they came. I chatted very nicely with the PT, voicing my concerns: mom would have to navigate up an inclined driveway, 16 steps just to get into my house, and then another 12 steps to get up to her apartment. The PT looked at me, smiled and said "Got it." Next thing I know, the discharge planner was asking me and mom about where she would like to go to rehab to get her strength back before even trying to get home.

The more people you talk to honestly at the hospital about your situation with mom, the more likely you will have someone "behind the scenes" telling the discharge people that it would be unsafe to send mom home at this point. Especially the PT staff and the nurses. They see far more than the doctors ever do, and most of them want what's best and safest for their patients.

Good luck, and again, I'm glad you were able to take this first step and get mom to the hospital for treatment!
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Update here:

I've called the Doctor's Office to let them know that Mom has been admitted and I am unable to provide the adequate care she needs going forward for her needs. Since this is on Sunday, per the after hours office I'll have to call back Monday and talk to the on call nurses/doctor so they are made aware she is an unsafe discharge and with my working hours and capabilities I can no longer care for her. I have also consulted a lawyer friend of mine regarding the local state laws (Oklahoma) for her situation and accusations. From their understanding of my situation and the state laws, it's found I am considered an unwilling participant/caretaker since I never voluntarily agreed in writing or anywhere to be her caregiver - instead it was brought out of necessity since we lived in the same dwelling and she was unable to keep up with bills and maintenance of the house in her state. There is little proof to substantiate her claims I have 'abused' her in any way or 'neglected' her with the receipts I have of getting her food, groceries, paying for repairs and maintenance of the house and yard, etc. In addition, we share a joint account - and it can easily be tracked my expenditures for the house and groceries using my money over hers (I make nearly 1100 more than her SSI pays.)

I will post more updates as things unfold. Thank you all for your kind words and help. I'm no longer terrified. Still stressed, but now I feel like there is some hope for this situation.
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waytomisery Aug 11, 2024
The person that you really need to tell that you are unable to provide the care your mom needs is the case manager at the hospital . These are the people who make discharge plans .

Reread and follow the advice notgoodenough gave you as the first answer at the bottom of this thread . Focus on the paragraph that starts
” Once in the ER………”
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Please do beat your parents to the punch and call APS; tell them you are unable at this point to provide safe care for your parents. Enlist their help to get them placed in care. To tell you the honest truth I would PRAY (even tho an atheist, myself) for a visit to APS in which the care would be REMOVED from me.
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ElizabethAR37 Aug 13, 2024
Yup to all! Sounds about right to me--an old person (usually) of sound mind.
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I would encourage you to call APS. Gangrene will kill her if left untreated. That could very well be a problem for you.

Get an ambulance to the house and tell them she needs emergency services and refuses, if they don't take her after seeing Gangrene, you will have that as back up that you did everything to get her help.

If the ems have seen the conditions she is living in, they are mandated reporters. So, if the last ems visit was a while ago and you haven't heard from them, possibly not a problem.

Best of luck, this is a crummy situation for sure.
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OffKilter Aug 11, 2024
Yes, EMSA came out last Friday knowing her condition but since she was of sound mind and refusing care they couldn't take her. When she was taken in the past there were not any reports that I know of. I have even gone so far as to call the hospital social services to ask what I can do to keep her comfortable or get better care since I am not her POA and they told me short of calling APS or getting an emergency guardianship I've done what I can.

Thankfully she had me sit with her and call EMSA and she willingly went with them this time. While she is out I can finally get things togethor to get her room cleaned up properly so once she comes back stabilized (assuming they don't take her to another facility) it'll be better for everyone involved.

Thank you for your kindness in answering.
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Yikes.

Do you live in her house? Or does she live in yours?

If you live in her house: here's my suggestion. Find another place to live. I know, that sounds harsh, but so long as you live under her roof, she feels like she has "control" over you. You can tell her she can 1) hire full time aids or 2) go into a care facility, whichever choice suits her more. But your days of being her caregiver/punching bag are over and done with. If she refuses either of those options, then tell her doctor and APS that you are moving out and she will be left alone and is a vulnerable person. If you go that route, get names of who you spoke to, and keep records of what days/times you did this, just to cover yourself going forward.

If she lives with you, that makes things a bit more complicated, because it is now legally her residence. So, if I were you, I would call EMS again once she starts to act "strangely". Greet them at the front door (away from mom's hearing) and tell them you think she might have a UTI; she has been hallucinating; she has been complaining of chest pains; tell them she hasn't been in her "right mind". Tell them you think it is IMPERITIVE she be seen at the emergency room; that she has this gangrenous infection, and you are afraid she has become/is becoming septic. With her myriad of health issues, it should not be hard to find the correct one to merit a trip to the ER; an elderly person "just" falling and exhibiting no visible signs of injury will not cause the EMT's to "push" someone into going to the hospital. You may have to be insistent with them; but usually EMT's are pretty good at "persuading" recalcitrant people into going to the ER.

Once in the ER, tell the admitting doctor/nurse/social worker that you can no longer provide for your mother's care in your home; that your job is too demanding and you work too many hours, and it has now become unsafe for mom to remain home alone. Point out that she is refusing to see her doctors and now has gangrene; that she is not cooperating with you in her care. DO NOT allow them to browbeat you into bringing her back into your home. It's time for her to be placed into a facility where she can get the level of care that no one of us can provide alone in the home.

As far as her calling APS - let her. This will not be the first call they have gotten from someone greatly exaggerating their "lack of care" at the hands of a family member, usually amounting to nonsense. Besides, if they think she is not getting the proper care, they can file for emergency guardianship and then she gets removed with absolutely no say in the matter, which wouldn't suit her very much, would it? In fact, if mom is still relatively "with it", I would throw that back in her face the next time she threatens you: "Go ahead and call, mom. Because then either they come here and see that you're lying, or they come here and see that you're telling the truth and then they remove you to a nursing home because I clearly can't take care of you properly." I'll bet she changes her tune pretty quickly after that.

Good luck.
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Anxietynacy Aug 11, 2024
Yes to all!!
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