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Ask if they will do respite care. Maybe if she knows she has the option of coming home she will transfer agreeably and find the a/l more to her liiking. Good luck. In the same place with 90 yoa mom who lives with me.
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Tinkster...

According to the advice of some in here...

1. Pray "ONLY" to Jesus
2. Remember that your mother was "there" when you were born... (whatever that means), so, therefore you and your brother are obligated to put up with her lifetime of emotional and verbal abuse, especially now that she's elderly.
3. Try to enjoy her (perhaps when she's asleep) and remember that after she's gone... if you and your brother are still alive... you can enjoy your life.

In another thread, some commented to a daughter, who is running herself ragged for her mother, that she is such a good daughter and her mother must be so apprecative. Actually... I love/can't stand my emotionally and verbally abusive mother -- look up Stockholm Syndrome -- and I've run myself to the ER on several occasions because of the stress of taking care of my mother in my home. With all of my devotion and extraordinary care of my mother, I am also told I am a "wonderful" daughter. Nope. It makes me a parentified daughter who -- at the expense of my own health and happiness-- does everything possible in hopes that "today" I was finally 'good enough' for my mother to express authentic heartfelt gratitude.

Most of the people here are incredibly wonderful, and they share wise and helpful advice (that pertains to the questioners situation) and show empathy and loving support. And to those people ... I send a huge thank you and wish you blessings...

The few others... please consider refraining from telling people who to pray to and from posting answers based on "your personal situation with a loving appreciative mother" -- when your comments and 'advice' do not apply whatsoever, nor do they help those who have been subjected to a lifetime of emotional, verbal and maybe physical abuse from their mother or father.

I say this in defense of the people here, like myself whose legacy from their parent(s) is depression, dysfunction, the burden of unwarranted guilt, anxiety and an extremely limited chance of being emotionally healthy and happy as adults. We don't need more guilt.

Tinkster... if you are still coming here, please share your situation since you posted a year ago. Would love to hear how you and your brother are coping.
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I think you've gone way above and beyond and God Bless you for caring for her as you have. But the time has come for you two to take care of yourselves before she does you both in.
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If you are POA, Custodian and Guardian, you ARE responsible and can not walk away unless you first place her in an environment that will care for her, and you continue to manage her affairs, or find agency to do so...Elder Care Lawyer can help with legalities.
This is like giving birth...you signed on as POA  to be the responsible party.
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In terms of "getting her out of her home and into care facility", a couple of things you can do.
1) Have her re-evaluated. You said she is level 2. Discuss and get in writing medical diagnosis and level of care needed. 2) Contact an Elder Care lawyer. Discuss findings of medical, current financial situation, and options. Hopefully, this will lead you to the ability to become POA Guardian and Custodian. When you reach this point, you are in charge, and can do what is best for her and you.
Without the above titles, she is still her own master and you cannot "force" her to do what she does not wish.
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You have nearly described my situation to a "T".

I placed mom (dementia) in assisted living; however, after two years and much change in her, I will be bringing her home for what I expect to be her end of life time. Hospice is helping and a great source for all aspects.
My only advice is to be EXTREMELY vigilant and monitor ALL activity and personnel, if you use AL option. Having said that, it is not our fault our mother's were/are difficult at best. It is highly important to stay healthy mentally and physically for yourself.
Happy to discuss more, if you wish.
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I think it's a very good idea to see the attorney; and hope it gives you some good, clear ideas about what to do.

The only thing I would say, and I really do appreciate the hair-tearing frustration of it, is that you have spent a lot of time preparing for a move she didn't want to make. Visiting the ALFs, making applications, getting her house valued: these were putting the cart before the horse, rather. And if she'd rather fill the house with handrails and commodes and a stair lift - well, why not? It can be done, and it's her choice; but I can appreciate - and *she* has to too! - that you just don't want to be involved. Nobody can oblige you to agree with her!

The caretakers seem to have misunderstood their own purpose in life, which again must be beyond frustrating. They are there to accompany her (aka keep her upright) if she wants to walk around and to ensure that she is catered for - they're not nursery nurses bottle-feeding a baby, for heaven's sake. They should be keeping a care journal, sure, and escalating incidents they can't handle (to their line manager); but what the heck are they doing calling on you to do their dam' job?

If you do decide on the resigning route - but ask your lawyer - I'd have thought it would be better to step right away. That won't stop you helping in more proportionate and manageable ways, such as getting your mother a good stout file and calculator and showing her how to keep track.

The repeated falls and refusal to use her walker, though. Hmm. Her doctor is completely satisfied about her cognitive skills, yes?

Has the rehab given you much information about how she's getting on this time around?
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Thanks everyone for your comments. I am going to see an elder law attorney tomorrow and get his advice. Countrymouse, I honestly just don't have the time and ambition any more to do all those things you have suggested. I have already wasted a lot of time visiting AL facilities (6), and gathering paperwork, including a market evaluation on her house, and filling out a 5 part application for the AL place we did get her into. We also have already put enough time and money into her house (my husband and I doing all the work) to make it a nice place, and safe, to a "reasonable" extent....but putting in some of the additional things she would need is almost turning it into a nursing home. Also, I'm very angry because we purposely went and got POA's, wills, estates, etc. put in place so we wouldn't have to turn over her care to someone outside the family. When I tell her all of this, all she does is begin to cry and then goes into a temper tantrum of sorts. Originally we had discussions about this sort of thing several years ago, and we both agreed that when her living alone was no longer working for BOTH of us, it was time to move on. She has had care givers coming 3x a day, 7 days a week since her first return home from the hospital/rehab. She has been in the hospital 4 more times since, so clearly that is not working out. The care takers were continually calling me about her....she won't eat, WHAT she was eating, she won't drink, she's walking around outside without any assistance, etc., etc. I can't handle that any more. I have a job, a house and my own life to live, and her care level need has been steadily increasing. If I give up my POA over her healthcare, but retain the one over her property (most of that is just paying her bills, which I have set up to pay automatically), will that relieve my risk of being charged with neglect? She still has the ability to pay her own bills, write checks, etc. so if she wants to put more work into the house, she can do that.....just without my help. Up until now, she hasn't done that type of thing, but she does have the ability.
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Alternatively, a hospital bed in the living room with a commode next to it would satisfy the requiements, wouldn't they?

Something for mom to consider, as opposed to a nicely set up apartment in AL.
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Hulucat; I'm so sorry that you're going through such torture with your mom and APS!

I haven't had this problem; my mother has been pretty compliant when we've told her that she needs to do something.

If she's competent,, as CM points out, she can appoint a new POA. If you go to her and say "mom, I'm really sorry, but I can't take care of you at the level that you need anymore. If you can't see that you need to be somewhere other than your home with folks other than me taking care of you, I'm going to have to resign my POA; then APS will figure out with you where you're going to live and who will care for you".

I agree with CM that an eldercare attorney, paid for by your mom is a very good option for helping to figuring out what the best solution is here.

I always think that being able to visit as a loving daughter beats giving up your life career, and playing Cinderella, hands down.
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Hulacat, what a miserable position your mother's choices are putting you in. I'm so sorry.

Your mother is competent; you cannot override her wishes.
So, her wish being to return home, let's proceed on that basis.
What is required to ensure her safety and wellbeing at home?

While she's in rehab, get everything down in a documented care plan. Ask for an Occupational Therapist's assessment of her home. Ensure that what she tells you about her wishes is said in front of professionals in rehab, and matches what she tells you in private. Gather into one file information such as:

home adaptations required, their cost, time required to implement them, estimates from contractors;
services required to maintain her at home, including names, contact details and contractual terms and conditions of providers;
a formal risk assessment.

It's all about arse-covering, as we say this side of the pond. The thing is, your mother being competent is entirely entitled to make her own decisions (even if they are daft); continual nagging of her about them is borderline abuse, true; and if she is able to understand the risks and consequences then she has every right to refuse help she doesn't want.

What she has no right at all to insist on is that you do the work. You could resign your POA - read back through Tinkster's thread to see how that's done. Or you could look for a care manager, if there are any in your area.

APS are giving you a hard time and making these frightening noises because, for obvious reasons, if they can bully you into doing the care work they don't have to - hurrah. But if you can show all your workings in independently verified documentation no abuse charge is going to stick, and no one has anything to gain by bringing one.

If/when you talk to your mother and say "mother, because you are demonstrably unsafe at home I cannot support your decision to continue living there and I will therefore be forced to resign my power of attorney" how does she respond?

Or, are you able to get pre-emptive advice from a knowledgeable attorney? That might be money well-spent.
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Adult Protective Services has told me that as my mother's POA (health and property), if I don't help provide a safe environment for her and something happens as a result, I can be charged with neglect. Is this true? I am in a similar situation in which my mother needs 24 hour care but refuses to go into assisted living, even though we have an apartment lined up for her in a very expensive, nice retirement village. She is currently doing rehab for the 4th time, following 5 hospital visits in 6 months. The doctors, therapists, social workers....everyone....all agree that AL is the best option for her. She has stairs in her home with no bathrooms on a level that doesn't require the use of stairs. She can't walk without a walker any more, and has already injured herself once using a cane going up the stairs, when she was only home 2 weeks. She is still considered competent, and I don't have guardianship, but I refuse to support her if she goes back to her home because it is not a realistic option without a lot of "extreme" compromises....installing a lift, hiring live-in care, etc. Additionally, I will still have to maintain her home because she doesn't do anything herself....pay bills, take care of repairs, etc.....which I really just don't want to do any more. I am trying to do what is best for her all the way around, but have been told, again by APS, that my continually pushing the AL thing is emotional abuse. Can I really be charged with abandonment, neglect or abuse for trying to do what is best for both of us? I can't handle the level of care giving I have been doing any more, and I love my mother dearly, but I feel "stuck" because I am afraid of opening up a can of legal worms for myself if I don't do things the way she wants. I am prepared to just walk away and "let the chips fall where they may" as I know I have done the right things, but I can't afford, emotionally and financially, to deal with possible legal trouble as a result. How can someone make this move and not be held liable for an elder's bad choices?
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Tinkster, I have read thru this entire thread tonight. Not sure how long I've been sitting here completely immersed. Please give us an update. Did you step up or let someone else take care of things for your mother? And, please know that you certainly have my respect and admiration for all that you have done, as well as the heart that you obviously have had for her thru all of this.
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If this person has always been abusive and not loving, YOU OWE HER NOTHING. Find a way with the help of professional advice to remove her from your presence. You owe it to yourself to care for YOU and I don't think this is happening. Get help from the doctor and elder experts - that is what they are there for. But you cannot let her continue this see-saw effect.
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Countrymouse has a great point that it's just stuff - didn't she own the house or she was making payments on it? Let it be foreclosed on and the buyer will haul off all her junk. It's part of the cost of a fixer-upper. Mthr's second house went to Habitat for Humanity as is, with all that stuff. Whoever bought it at auction had to clean it up before they could start remodeling. It's the way things are done and it's ok.
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Tink first wow huge hugs. I find it so disheartening that BB & evil SIL could only handle 5/6 months? Or it just speaks volumes to your power & commitment in the face of such a bad situation. I don't know much but I do know hospital social workers try everything to get family to take the patient off their hands. My brother has alcohol induced dementia & wanted to leave a hospital stay but they knew they couldn't legally let this confused, incoherent, barely mobile patient walk out MIA, but as soon as my sister showed up for visit they handed him the forms to sign & even though she tried to walk away they let him stagger out holding onto the walls after her. Of course she took him back to moms. We had 8-10 days of falls & incontinance & anger. We got through it & now when he's hospitalized we check in by phone & drop off a newspaper at the nurses station & run. They keep him or discharge to a facility & he eventually staggers off & back home. Atleast with the extra time he is mobile when he gets home. Point is they have resources in place to get things done without you don't fall into their trap. Stay healthy & happy you did more than most & you're not an only child if the Brothers feel like you should do something then maybe they could demonstrate by doing exactly what. Good luck
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Yes, it would be a good opportunity for her to organise things as she likes. Or not. Just as she pleases.

And I know you seen an unfinished project, a thing that must be done - furnished home, no longer lived in, all her things, can't just be left like that.

But humour me. Just as a mental exercise, imagine that it's the middle of the night, and nobody's in there or anywhere near it, and it gets struck by lightning, catches fire and is burned to cinders.

And? Anybody hurt? No. On the scale of things, it isn't important.

Okay, back in the everyday world, yes, it'll have to be dealt with one way or another. I hope not by lightning! - but I hope also *not* *by* *you*.
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Tink, What exactly would happen if all you three kids were non-existent? The social worker would make all the arrangements herself. She'd contact Adult Protective Services, who would hold an emergency guardianship hearing with a court-appointed guardian for mom, who would probably be the one who would get her to the facility. To heck with her belongings. The guardian would figure it out.

And what can be done now? Boundaries my dear! "No, I will have nothing to do with her care. Please stop calling me about her care. She will be taken care of by the state."

I had to make the painful decision to allow my mthr to make bad decisions for 8 years without my involvement. I could only work with her once her cognitive level was such that she was not herself. I fully detatched, and APS looked me up when she was wandering. The helped me go through the steps of emergency guardianship, making arrangements for moving her, etc.

The social workers told me they really like getting estranged families back together because that's their goal. The social worker is really going to pressure you because that's probably her goal too. You don't have to answer her calls. You have the great pressure of the hospital wanting to get her out of the beds since they won't be paid for after a number of days. Tell the hospital social worker that this is your last conversation, and you will not be handling anything to do with that woman from when you resigned a year ago (w/e) until she dies. That pressure will be boiling under the social worker, and after consulting with your brothers and not being able to convince them, will go for the state guardian.

You want to be able to visit as simply her daughter, respecting her autonomy. Allow the state to take on the task of managing her, and step back into your life alone.
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Because I'm on the outside looking in, Tink. I don't have a lifetime of your dysfunction ( got my own!)
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I think you've got it, Tinkster!
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BarbBrooklyn: Why does it sound so simple, clear and sensible when you say it?
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Countrymouse: You're right, of course. I'm feeling pretty angry today, which is not typical. Normally I would feel sad and full of despair. And while those feelings are still in the mix, I'm feeling such an immediate impact on my health and life today that 'fight or flight' has kicked in. I think I've ventured down the 'fight' path for once.

I do have to disagree with one thing though: While it doesn't matter to me who does the packing and moving, it really does need to be done. And I don't see anyone at all picking up the ball and making it happen.

As I was just typing that, I had another one of those moments of clarity that have been blessing/plaguing me since my mom's diagnosis yesterday. My mom does have mobility issues. She does have at least the cognitive issues related to the MS. She does have Borderline Personality Disorder. But she is not helpless, contrary to what she likes people to think most of the time.

Maybe if she gets moved into the ALF apartment (one of the ones they have set up for people to use until their belongings are moved/delivered) and no one else sets up a moving company for her she will do it herself. Or at least try. She is always saying how she wants to be so independent. Well, this would be a great opportunity for her, right?
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Nope. Not you. YOU, my dear, are done. Just say no.

If mom ends up without her stuff, it's not your problem.
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I spoke to her attorney's assistant. She is helpful and sympathetic, which helps. She is passing the info along to the attorney. I made sure to give them the phone number of bad brother and wife, as they live next door and could/should facilitate any packing/boxing/moving things at that end. I also informed them that my mom has no bill paying capability and doesn't even have the capacity to have a ball park idea of how much money she has, either in total, or in her checking account, and that someone will need to be arranged to handle her finances.

However...

There was no clear indication that the attorney is willing or able to initiate any sort of assistance for my mom. My mom didn't reach out to him, even though she was made aware that she would have a hearing in her future. If she doesn't engage him, I wonder how limited his options are.

You will be glad to know that I made clear that I am unable to assist my mom any further.

I just got off the phone with the social worker at the Behavioral Center where my mom is. They've arranged for the ALF where she lived until her ill-fated last move to come and assess her today. Ideally, she will end up going back there. The doc told me yesterday that if this assessment went well, she could be back at the ALF as soon as Friday, but possibly Monday. I was stressing because there is no way that a mover could be arranged and all her stuff boxed and moved and set up in the new place that quickly. Not to mention that I have NO IDEA who will do it.

I kept trying to tell the social worker that I am unable to assist my mom any further, and asked her if there are resources through the Area Office on Aging, etc., that would facilitate setting her up with a mover. She said, "Well, you'll need to call them and ask."

Why me?

I'll tell you "why me". Because at the end of the day, I am always the one in the family who manages the crises. Everyone else pulls their little turtle heads into their little turtle shells until I make everything ok. Then I get blamed and bear the brunt of my mom's anger, and all those who did nothing get the pseudo-love.

I am ready to change my name and move away.
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Oi.

I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for BB or wife, but this -

"And frankly, bad brother and his wife created the current crisis. I think they should be held accountable."

- is not good thinking for you.

Doesn't matter whose fault anything was. Doesn't matter who packs up, or whether mother likes how they stack plates. Doesn't matter who calls whom. It'll get done, and it really doesn't matter how - come to that, on the world scale of things, it doesn't even matter if it doesn't get done at all. Only two thoughts you need to have:

Mother will be fine.
And
YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED.
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I agree with golden23. It's all about mom, BUT you can push back on any unreasonable requests by her doctors or attorney by making sure you have YOUR doctor's rx that YOU cannot be involved because of your own health.

Keep us updated!!!
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Re being made to do it. Get a letter from your doctor(s), therapist, etc regarding your health issues and that you cannot take on any care of your mother. Send it to your bros, the attorney and anyone else you think is appropriate. Bad bro is not the only one who is allowed to wash his hands of her care.
I came very close to doing this myself, but mother was placed in a geri psych hospital for a year, which saved the day.
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"Someone else can manage this whole thing. I have done everything I can and no one can force me to do anything." YES!!!!!

Mother is BPD too. It is h3ll on wheels trying to work with her. Totally detach - totally. You cannot afford the stress for several very good reasons. You are not abandoning her - you are in contact with someone who will make arrangements for her care. Not your circus, not your monkeys. And stay away from her!!!!

"My health will not permit me to do that". Perfect!

She will continue to make chaos and try to drag everyone into it as long as she is deemed competent and has the freedom to do it. Just keep away from it.  
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Good for you!
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Practicing: "My health will not permit me to do that".
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