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Good luck Dagan, living 5 minutes away from someone who needs daily care can be time consuming. I know. I hope she can have her needs met with the assistance you have arranged.
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Dagan, How are things going???????? Keep us updated on your progress!!!
Take care!
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Thank you all again i would never wish this delima on anyone. It has not been easy for me or my wife. But with help and the grace of god we will all come out of this better people.
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Dagan and others, I found this post through another. Dagan, do take care of yourself, you are dealing with so much right now with both your wife and mom. I am glad you found somewhere close for your mother. Do your best not to feel guilty, and work on your marriage. {{{{Dagan}}}}
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Thanks for clarifying, Dagan.I am very happy for you.

How does your mom feel about being on her own?

About your depression. It is only natural. You are exhausted . The suggestions to get help, personal and marriage counseling, are good ones. In the midst of a crisis in 2008, I started therapy and all I could say afterwards was: why did I wait so long?

In the meantime, may I offer the "fast rack" to feeling better? It is gratitude. No matter what happens, there is always something to be grateful for--and that attitude of gratitude (don't laugh) really lightens the spirits. In your case, you can be grateful that:

your wife hung in there for five years!

she seems to be on your side and happy about the new arrangement,

you seem to be healthy (what a gift!),

you seem to be intelligent (only an intelligent person would see through your mom's co-dependence as clearly as you have)

you seem to be a problem solver and a seeker of help,

you seem to be strong and resilient,

you found this site,

you found help from the VA and meals on wheels,,

you found a place for your mom,

you are still young enough to have a great many happy years.

Good luck!
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Forgot the V A thing is a free service because my Dad was a vet and the meals on wheels is also a free service.
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She will have meals on wheels and there is a program through the V A her social worker is going to set up where some one comes by 3 times a week to check on her and help her with anything she has a need for. And we can get her Medicaid back on track also i am only 5 minuets away.
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So glad you have found a place.

Can you explain how it works for $400? Any assistance?

Good luck. (the devil, as you know , is in the details...)
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Dagan, I'm glad you're seeing someone about the emotional conflicts you feel.

You might also check local hospitals to see if they have caregiver support groups; sometimes the AL and SNF facilities do as well. I've found that the most support groups are generally with the larger hospitals in an area with good medical facilities, such as Ann Arbor, but that's too far from Monroe. The Henry Ford Hospital system is another large one and it may have some support groups.

Wishing you peace in your heart as you travel this strange new journey.
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Marriage counseling should also be considered. Five years of caregiving an abusive mother-in-law takes a toll on a human being. I do not see you and your wife picking up where you leff off without in depth counseling.
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Good for you. Take care and come back and let us know how it's going.
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I have an app on Thursday to talk to a doctor and not my family doctor. I need to talk to someone about what i did to my wife Having her bear the load.
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Dagan, please go see your doctor. Take care of YOU for the next 10 days at least :)
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Give some serious thought to anti-depressants - just to get you over this hump, Dagan.
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Last 10 days are a blur I think that I had a minor breakdown of sorts.Taking care of a elderly parent is not easy. Even though things seem to be coming together I find i am spending my days depressed.
I pray the coming days and weeks will bring a balance back into my life and I will once again smile and find purpose and reason for all that has happened these past 10 days.
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Those need to be worked through with a therapist and the sooner, the better. That will bring serenity to your conflicted state.
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Totally understand, Dagan. Spoke to my mother yesterday and it was like speaking with a normal person - so I felt guilty about being so negative about her. It's all learned behaviour, Dagan, so it gets impossible to enjoy time with a manipulative parent because in the back of your mind you know it won't be long before you're back to the same old, same old ...

Be kind to her but don't run around after her, keep your distance and most importantly look after yourself. Good luck!
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I found Mom a place about a mile from me a small moblie home perfect for her. So why do i still feel like a piece of crap. I am feeling a bag of mixed emotions. Happy relieved scared sad all in one. Weird
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Dagan, can she move into the new place immediately, without any time back at your place? It might be worthwhile putting her up in a hotel until the housing is ready rather than having her back in your house.
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And GA, he does not have DPOA. Mom refuses. Just hope she cooperates with the move.
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Speaking only to these issues:

1. Eviction. Dagan is in Michigan; so am I. We were told by either the police or a parole officer at one time that anyone can go to the Michigan Secretary of State and submit an address change, which means that address is then the address of record for that person. I wouldn't have believed it had I not been told by someone who knew the law.

So, yes, if Dagan's mother or he on her behalf had submitted a change of address to his place, technically he would have to evict her. Practically, this sucks. To have to evict one's own mother, regardless of the circumstances, just doesn't make any common sense. But then neither do some of the Michigan legislators.

2. Proof of income. Given that she was living with you, wouldn't she have gotten SS statements at your address? Couldn't that be used? And wouldn't any other statements of income have also come to your address? Frankly, at this stage of the game I don't think I'd go through the steps of asking her permission to get that information if it's already in her tax or personal files.

3. I don't remember without reading the entire thread whether or not she executed a DPOA naming you as her proxy. If she did, use that to get the income data from SS.

Whoops! Just read that you found a place for her, so all this above may be moot. Anyway, it's there in case it's relevant.
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WOW. So, was Mom just horribly depressed and acting that way, not actually demented and in need of care? I'm happy for you, but also stunned. And I hope she is better than when she went in to the hospital.
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Wonderful news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Update I found Mom a place in her price range 400 a month My wife and I are overjoyed Thank you all and i will be here from now on. If I can help someone who finds they are in the shoes i have been wearing I want to help them as much as you all have helped me
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No advice. Just a lot of empathy. Hang in there!
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If the hospital decides to discharge your mother and she takes a taxi back to where she lives, what are you going to do? You cannot legally deny her access into the home. As far as the eviction process, be prepared for it to take up to two months. It will cost you money to file and serve the necessary papers for the eviction process. You will have to stand before a judge and explain why you want to evict your elderly mother who happens to pay rent. It is going to take a lot of courage in the weeks ahead with a lot of added stress. Keep coming back to this forum, it will help you to cope with what you need to do.
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If in the awful event mom does end up coming "home" I would advise your wife to get a job, volunteer at the local hospital or in some way stay out of the house all day long. If mom is certified in writing by these folks to be okay to live independently, then she should be fine at your house alone all day long.

I would make breakfast and set it at the table. Same with dinner. If she doesn't "come and get it", then she doesn't eat. If she doesn't have denentia, this will result in new learning.

One of the questions you want to ask today is, have they done a workup for dementia. A real workup. Neuropsych testing, not a 3 minute memory test. Because if mom has dementia, then she shouldn't be alone and she won't learn new behaviors. And therefore needs to be in care.
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D, look up the eviction thread.

Understand that the folks at the hospital only see this from your mom's point of view. To them, she's a sweet little old lady. Not the demanding, super cilia us Harridan you know and love. Yes, the hospital could place her in the UP. Play their game. Say yes, I understand that. It would be sad for that to happen, but my mom can't live with us anymore. She has destroyed my family. Jeanne's idea that their social worker should help mom find housing is an excellent one BECAUSE MOM CAN T LIVE HERE ANYMORE. You need to stand firm and not let them talk you into "just a few days". "My wife will be starting a new job and I work long hours. There will be no one at home. Mom needs to be around other people".

And yes, start the eviction immediately .
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We've gone through this eviction thing with another poster a while back. It is true that to force someone out of "their home" you need to go through an eviction process, and that applies whether they pay rent or not, whether there is a contract in place or not. They have to be given a reasonable notice that they have to leave. If they ignore the notice the sheriff's office will forcibly remove them if necessary. As the building owner you do have a right to determine who lives there, but you also have to go through the established process.

Good luck at the meeting today, Dagan. Perhaps you can ask how Mother can get a social worker assigned to help her find housing, because you are evicting her and cannot take the time from work to find her housing, plus you don't think she will accept anything you suggest.

Start the eviction process immediately. Get the clock running.

And get yourself some therapy. You deserve it!
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Oh and she does pay her way so i think i don't have a case other than getting her a place of her own
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