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This is not a question, it is a call to action. Having spent my entire life taking care of physically and mentally ill adults who openly and frequently admit they want to die (even when I was a child), I would choose death immediately if physician-assisted suicide were available in my country. The very sick and highly-dependent elderly are, for the most part, kept alive at great physical, emotional, and obviously financial cost to most of us merely for profit by pharmaceutical companies and institutions. Massive industries profit from pain and suffering with little incentive to permanently resolve any type of dependency, whether drugs or services. "Oh dear, what about my religious beliefs?" Apparently it is a sin to help people die: you are robbing your God of the vicious entertainment of watching the sick slowly disintegrate as mindless zombies or suffer for years in excruciating pain until their bodies give out. The concept of a judgmental God is a lie. Organized religion only exists as a means of control. WAKE UP AND TAKE YOUR LIVES BACK -- or end them. This is pointless. "What about my children?" Congratulations for forcing more life into this endless exploitative circle jerk. I hope your kids enjoy being stuck in a cycle of desperation as wage slaves OR as exploitative business leaders OR as masters of paper pushing and hopelessly competing with the Joneses even if they won't admit it. All life is pointless. This is pointless. Choke on those dirty adult diapers, diehards! A walk in a pretty park or a funny joke or cute puppy does not make up for the endlessly excruciating day-to-day nightmare of human society.

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I am sure the OP would want to euthanize me. I’m wheelchair bound, on dialysis, insulin dependent diabetic and have Had multiple cardiac surgeries. However, I still work at home part-time, am down to only a dialysis aide. I am not dependent on my children, family members or the government for emotional, physical or financial support. Right now I’m a happy, independent person. I have many friends that I care deeply about. I have a religious and spiritual community that I enjoy and support. I find the OP’s statements distasteful. People should be able to have assisted suicide, but not the way the OP suggests.
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sp19690 Sep 2022
Based on the OPs criteria you would not qualify for euthanasia.
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I hope you are giving serious thought to a career change.
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This post should be euthanized. Reporting for removal.
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Becky04469 Sep 2022
I agree.
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While the OP's post is certainly an angry rant that is probably coming from a very bitter heart, there is some merit to what is being said. Even if one feels euthanasia is not the answer, there IS something to be said about quality of one's last days instead of trying to throw the kitchen sink at trying to prevent the inevitable.

I had a doctor and NP at the SNF tell me how they see it daily - family members who never visit their loved one, but absolutely FREAK OUT when Grandma takes a turn for the worse after having been there for months or years. Then the family wants the doctor to "Do everything possible! Feeding tubes, dialysis, etc. so that Grandma won't die before Johnny can get here in a few weeks to say goodbye."

How many times have I seen posts here about family members who are in denial and in reality, THEY just are not ready to be sad, therefore the elderly loved one has to suffer longer! I've seen people demand their elderly loved one take chemo! Good grief. Chemo is horrible for someone young and healthy.

It is often HARD on the patient and family members to get an elderly person to their doctor appointments and so many times they have to go every single day! I was shuttling a relative to so many appointments that I deemed unnecessary - they would just take her vitals and ask how she was feeling and tell her to come back in a few weeks. She was in a wheelchair with oxygen. There was a giant tank and long hose. She was also wearing depends and was horrified that she would leak or smell while she was out and about.

Palliative care needs to be promoted more and needs to be made into a wonderful alternative.

I'm in my 50's. I'm having more and more conversations with people my age and younger who feel like I do. Our generation does NOT WANT to end up in a SNF just waiting to die and I totally get the euthanasia thing. While I would never want to take my life, I think just letting nature take course at a certain point in old age is a good thing.
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sp19690 Sep 2022
That was my whole point. You said it much better than I did.
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I don't even know where to start with this. First off, call me what you want but I don't think God is entertained by people's suffering. He never promised that people's lives would be without suffering either. He said he would help us through the suffering if we ask. We have to take the bad with the good. Sometimes the bad really sucks. Not to sound unsympathetic but that's life.

Secondly, yeah it's sad to watch people suffer and lay in their own feces etc. but assisted suicide is not legal in most places and even if it were I believe a person has to be of sound mind before they could make that decision. Most people who are still of sound mind probably don't feel they need to make that decision and by the time they aren't of sound mind it's too late. So that blows that theory.

Thirdly, even if I could have ended my mom's pain it's not legal to do so.

So, good for you for spewing out your negativity but nothing you said really makes any difference in the bigger scheme so good luck to you!
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Cover999 Sep 2022
That being the case, why was the late Dr Kevorkian lambasted?
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This persons screen name “Dead Inside” says it all.
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AlvaDeer Sep 2022
Amen.
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How about we just stop giving statins, colonoscopies, treatment for skin cancer to people with dementia? I mean it is ridiculous some of the medications people with alz or dementia are on. There have been posts here about doctors wanting to put pacemakers in a person with dementia or get a stent or cancer treatment or something life extending for someone that has no idea who or where they are.

On the opposite side of the coin are family members keeping elders in squalor and baremy alive so they can collect their social security or other money.

Nothing is ever one size fits all when it comes to people. There are bad outcomes on both sides of this issue and other issues.
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JoAnn29 Sep 2022
Colonoscopies are now not recommended for people over 75 I think it is now. I had my first and seems the last at 72.
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You are entitled to your opinion. And you are also allowed to carry on with your life as you wish. Once you let yourself out of this dark place you're in, I hope you will choose to live for something you believe in, not just against things you don't like. Good luck.
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Beyond any sort of moral or ethical argument, which I am SO not going to get into with the OP -or anyone else, for that matter - the reason why euthanasia is allowed for our pets is because, legally, pets are considered "property". THAT'S the reason why we, as owners, are allowed to *legally* make the decision to euthanize.

I have had to euthanize pets. It is a horrific decision to have to make, and while I know it was the right one, I still suffer from guilt. I can't imagine making that decision for one of my parents, or in-laws, or spouse.

OP, if you are to the point where you are fantasizing about euthanasia for your grandfather, then, for his sake and yours, end your caregiving forthwith! You are no good to anyone, least of all him, while this rage burns in your gut!
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mstrbill Sep 2022
We euthanize our pets because we know in our heads and in our hearts it is the right thing to do.
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I just reported the post via the message box at the bottom of the page. Given that it's a weekend, and perhaps deliberately timed that way by the troller, I'm hoping that enough people complain about this revolting diatribe that the admins, if they're monitoring on the weekend, remove it immediately.
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PeggySue2020 Sep 2022
I’m against the removal for two reasons.

1. Op clearly has been doing this as she feels there’s no choice and little reward. I bet her attitude is endemic among some caregivers including those paid to take care of strangers. We need to hear that perspective to respond to it.

2. A discussion is to be had about when and how a patient can exercise their agency in a way least traumatic to them, their caregivers, and society at large, even if their choice is to end it.
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