Hi,I am starting to feel like a bad person. I get depressed when friend asks for a favor. Which doesn't happen to often....but I am not handling well.
Here is my situation.
My mom has been living with me last 10years,she is 80years old , in good health and she is on her best behavior. Since she is not bedridden,may be I won't qualify as a caregiver yet....
But living with her is taking a toll on my emotional well being.
I also have a 3years old toddler and a jusband.
When I get asked to babysit friend's toddler, I get depressed.
If I say 'no' I feel guilt, if I say "yes" I feel resentful.
In general, I just no longer able to handle favors for friend.
Since my mom is in good health, and I'm a stay home mom, I have to say I DO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME to do a favor or tow for others.
But I just don't have a hart to do it.
Is this normal? I feel like a jerk ...
How long have you been married? If you lived with only your child and husband, you might feel like these trade off babysitting things were worthwhile to you. Or you might love going to the parks with other moms and sharing thoughts and experiences. Maybe you do that.
When you come home, however, there is something so special about feeling like you are in your own private sanctuary. The house may not be perfectly tidy and the laundry might be piling up, but it is your home. There are no other voices.
I doubt any of your friends have a parent living with them. I think it is wonderful that your mom can live with you and watch her Granddaughter grow up, but I also think it is natural for all of us to want our own nest, our own home, our own privacy and our own space.
Take a look at your life and ask yourself what it is that you feel you need at this time. I think it would be nice for you to have some intimacy in your life. Maybe you can hook up with a friend in your age group that doesn't need babysitting trades and can just have lunch with you. Someone you can talk to who hears what you are saying. You need a place to be you. I don't know how old you are, but if your mom is 80, I'm assuming you are older than those who normally have 3 year olds. I'll check your profile to see if you put in your age. Can't do it now or I will lose this post.
Anyway, tell me more and let's see what others offer too. You are a good daughter, that's for sure. You don't have to be a saint. Hugs, Cattails
Since you asked, here is my situation. I am 47years old Asian living in USA almost 30years. I've been married for 5years, had a first and only baby when I was 44years old. When my dad past away, my mom came to live with me in US, She speak no English or read. And it's been 10years since. After she moved in with me, I immidiately started to notice some inconvinience in some situation, especially translating everything, loss of privacy and freedom. After I had a baby she has been very helpfull with babysitting,but for some reason things are getting worse in my head and emotions. I feel the need to include her yet I also feel strong need to create my own family without feeling her presence.
I feel guilt because she have very few friends here who speak her language,I know she long for companionship from me. But laterly I have been very distant from her, almost avoiding to communicate with her except bare nessesity. I finally decided to go to see thrapist last few month, and I haven't seen much improvement so far in myself.
So,basically my main problem is my current living situation.
But, I started to notice how I am also not capable of certain friendship.
I just get so worked up when I get asked for a favor.
My husband is very helpful with my mom's situation, we sometime laugh that she is the best mother in law since she can not communicate with him,therefore no argument ever! But, about this "favor" situation with friends , my husband thinks I am going overboard and being worked up too much.
I'm glad you are seeing a therapist and working out some of the issues you have with your mom living with you. That's a great start. Have you mentioned the problem you feel with favors to your counselor?
I don't feel that friendships should be based on favors. I think they are based on a personal connection that draws you to the friend and is returned to you in that special connection that friendship offers. When you say that you are not capable of certain friendships, I am guessing that you don't like friendships that ask you to do things you don't want to do. Like babysitting. I think it's ok for you to not want to babysit other peoples children and if that is what the friendship is based on, then you have some decisions to make.
You are 47 years old. How old are the friends that want you to babysit? Are you really close to them or are they just friends because their children are the same age as your daughter? Do you socialize with them, do they understand you and your life, are they close to you? If you say yes to all of this, then I would see them as really being friends, rather than acquaintances. Acquaintances would be people you have something in common with, like children the same age, but not a real soul connection. You need to tell me, which is it. Are they true friends that you relate to on many levels or nice people who happen to have children the same age as yours?
The bottom line AndyPandy, is if you don't want to babysit other peoples children then you should not do so. You can tell them nicely that you are not able to do that because having you mom living with you puts limits on what you are willing to give up in personal time. Does that make sense to you? I'm just asking because I'm not sure how clear I am at making my point.
I think the biggest thing you have to work on is how to make room for your mom in your household. That's more important than favors to friends. If they are truly your friends, they won't abandon you because you can't babysit.
You are caught in a cultural divide. Your mom needs you to help her navigate the new world she lives in and that ties you down. I was raised in an area that had numerous people from any number of countries and their children and I grew up together. Many of the parents of my friends (mothers mostly) even after 20 years, had not learned English and their children interpreted for them. Still, I felt there was something very holy about their families. They were families and the cooking and meals were amazing. Most of all there was love.
Andy, my suggestion to you is to seek love. It doesn't matter if your only have one or two friends as long as there is love. That's worth much more than 20 friends with three year-olds who need babysitting. If you can keep you mom with you and your daughter can have the benefit of learning a bit about her roots, then that is a blessing. Maybe a little of your moms language too. What a blessing to be able to speak two languages.
I want to mention that my husband and I practically raised our grandchild. She was born when we were 40 and 41 years old. We would have done anything for her, but I would not have wanted to babysit 3 year olds by the time I was 47. I'm now 63 and taking care of my father who needs 24/7 care. He is 89 and had a major stoke last July.
Your family is your husband, your child and your mom. Your friends are those that appreciate what you are dealing with and who support you through the good and bad times.
Stay in counseling and work through your fears and discomforts. You are a very good person and I so respect you going to counseling. You are very wise.
By the way, my brother married a lovely lady from China about 8 years ago. Cultural differences, but lots of love and friendship.
Give me a reply and tell me what you think. I am open to more discussion.
Lots of love, Cattails.
Your husband is probably right that you are going overboard and being worked up too much. That is one of the reasons you are seeing a therapist, right? You will get this on a more comfortable level.
All of us have the right to turn down requests for favors. (Many people have sure turned down my requests since I've become a caregiver. And many times my requests are granted. That is just how life is.) If it is close friend asking you may want to give a reason, "Rita, I'm just having a hard time in my personal life right now. I'm afraid I am not up to having another little person to be responsible for, even though your Sam is adorable and sweet. It is my problem and I'm dealing with it. I'm sorry I'm not up to helping you right now. I appreciate your patience." If the other mom is an acquaintance rather than a friend, no explanation is necessary. "I'm sorry, Connie, but I just can't take that on right now." This does not make you a jerk and you have no need to feel guilty. Maybe in the future you will be in a better frame of mind about this kind of request. But, really, just because you are a mother is no reason you should automatically want to care for other people's children.
Good luck!
I will say she is a one of our circle of friend whom I did get close last year, we mainly did kids play date. which was great, but play date while we also get to enjoy each other and babysitting her kids are differrent to me. I have never asked her to babysit my child.
About saying "no" I have done that with her, and letting her know in a nice way.
So she did back off for a while, but time to time she asks again.
195Austin: you wrote "I hope you have a good best friend that understands you and how you tick."
yes, my best friend does understand me that way. but this person seems to not understand "how you tick" after my numerous attempt to send a sign of how I feel. so that does bothers me.
I have another thought about your mother, and forgive me if it is inappropriate, as I don't know her situation at all, but I wonder if she would be open to ESL classes? Even if she were only to learn the most basic English, it would be a way for her to make friends, have a bit of independence from you, and give you a break for the couple of hours each week that she is in class. IN my community, the ESL classes are free or low cost, and offered at a "community campus" three times a week. I don't know if a similar resource might be available near you, but if it is, perhaps that might offer you some respite. Sending hugs your way.
It must be hard to care for your mom and brother both. I think you are doing right thing and being very resorceful to help your situation, I need to do that in someway. so I can coupe. I have time...just my emotional plate is too full at this time....I need to find better words or way to explain that some how to my friend.
bandit8it: In our area we did not have ESL for asian, so I initially hired a tutor for her who speaks her language. I did not have much expectation for her to learn English as she hardly recognize even ABC, but with small hope that time with tutor who speak her language can be a fun time for her one hour once a week. After 4months or so,my mom have told me "it was too much for her to learn and she feel pressure as the day of lesson near every week" whatever it means to her but I did end the session since that was her wish at that time. I do sometime regret that....but now she is 80years old and last year one of her eye went blind from accute graucoma,and Esl is probably too late at this stage. I wish if she could at least read a little though... when we go to shopping and she use her bank debit card it is a problem everytime.Especially since every store machine is slightly different. I guess that why she have me to translate...
But what I came to add, actually, is that sometime people start therapy and expect an overnight change. Incremental changes happen that you don't notice, until things have changed so much you suddenly realize they've been different an you didn't see it happen. I don't know that this is what is going on, but it's a reasonable bet. Give it some more time. Things may feel worse before they feel better, but that is normal too -- you start to deal with the things that made you uncomfortable, and that takes emotional juice.
Finally, have you tried telling your friend that you feel sort of used up at the moment -- explain to her what is happening, that you feel like a jerk, etc. Just say what is really true. All that you've said here. Sometimes what makes us tired is the feeling we have to pretend what's really going on...isn't.
Sending love your way.
May be I need to check with doctore before i spend all my money at therapist.
Fortuantely,we do get to do date pretty often since my mom is well enough and enjoy watching my child for us. So I am very fortunate that way. Except right now we are kind of arguing over this issue. But what can I say,he is entitled to his opinion " mothers help each other" and I totally agree and he is correct in many ways, yet I am having a problem swallowing that fact. May be I am hormonal?
I know for the fact I am going through "early menopause" last few month.(time of month is started to not come on time, hot flashes for the first time.)
I do wonder if I can do favors for her better if I can say " you know, I have plenty time to do that for you but I really dont feel up to it since I take care of my mom and having some sort of "caregiver's depression" or could be early menapose , it's probably hard for you to relate but I am even going to therapist over this matter spending $125 on 45minutes, you know I wouldn';t spend that kind of money if it wasn't a serious problem for me right? I know I have been avoiding you a little last 5months and that was because I did not want to even use my brain to think "how to explain this to you or how to come up with a nice lie to say "no" to you, but just being asked and saying "no" is a stress for me right now...I know it is sounds selfish or you may not relate to it. But I just wanted to explain to you, I sometime feels like it is easier if I just give you $100 right now so you use that money to hire babysitter so I feel safe till that money run out. Oh, yes I don't mind if you call to chat or get together, in fact i will really enjoy that ,it just when you call me and start using word "I have to ask you a favor" that triggers my depression and I start to resent you,I know I know now I started to sounds like a little nut case right? Well, that's why I didn't want to tell you this problem, I don't want to lose you as a friend since we do have a good time over few glass of wine, and I do really enjoy that time. I really don't want to lose that but do you really feel so comfortable to leave your child with me any more...? No,please I am ok person please don't tell all our friend I'm a nut case "
Hummmm...I kind feel better after i wrote this.
I am not even sure if I can bring myself to tell her anything,...
You are right that a playdate is very different from babysitting. You have a perfect right to decide what you are willing to do for other people. This is not being selfish.
Just say no.
jeannegibbs: Yes, that is the exact point,as you said. Just as soon as she backs off and I feel OK , she comes back with reminder. I guess I just have to take your advice and keep saying "no" . Number of the contact is pretty much diminished to once or twice a month of 3minutes phone call from her to say "Hi" or "favor". And thanks for a note that you think playdate and babysitting is not the same. May be I was not imagining on that one.
JudymW: Sorry you felt you were dumping zone... It has been helpful to see others have similer problems. I don't have 4kids like you, but others see me as stay home mom with built in babysitter...probably.
If they find out all I do is to "check on my invisible friends on web", ....they might start to talk to me on the web,when I don't answer the phone call,LOL.
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Focus on the people you love and feel blessed with you find a true friend. You don't need a lot of them and most of us only have a few. They are that rare.
Can I also add that I don't think you should push your mom to learn a new language or go out of her comfort zone too much. She is a nice woman, just the way she is and she loves you and your family. She is kind and well behaved. What more could you ask for?
I was going to mention the hormonal issue earlier, but didn't because some time it offends some folks. If you are having hot flashes then you are in the beginnings of menopause. Go to your doctor and see what can help.
You have a lovely family. Dump the baggage and enjoy the love that life has given you. Lots of hugs, Cattails.
I appreciated everyone's helpful idea and suggestion towards my moms English problem. But I know she don't have much left to try(And I feel bad about it, because it is very unrespectable of her to be that way since she did choose to live in this country,she should of tried a little harder...)
"She is a nice woman, just the way she is and she loves you and your family. She is kind and well behaved. What more could you ask for?" That made me teary....I need to focus on positive, and forgett the baggage.
Cattalis,thank you and I really need to re-focus my life.
I don't know where you live, but if there is an Asian community near by, take your mom and your daughter there for a day out. I'm in Washington State and we have a huge Asian community in Seattle. Even if you have to drive a couple of hours, just go for a day and enjoy your heritage. It will be fun for your daughter and your mom will feel respected and proud.
Just some thoughts. Cattails
But definitely she is lovable just the way she is, and she doesn't need to change to be a wonderful part of your family. Just as you are wonderful, too, and only need to change to the extent that it will make you a happier, more satisfied person.
Certainly you don't need to change because you are selfish or a jerk!! You need to change to be able to prevent others from taking advantage of you without feeling guilty.
My mother had my youngest brother when she was 44. When I hit 44 I thought OMG -- mother was pregnant at this age. Mother was starting all over again with the diapers and the midnight feedings and soon the PTA and the school conferences ... OMG. I think that having a baby in your 40s has its built-in stressors that we can handle more easily in our 20s. It might be the most wonderful thing in the world to have that baby. It might fulfill your life's dream. You may have zero regrets about it. But it still adds stress to your life. And having your wonderful mother live with you may be exactly what you want, but there are still stresses associated with it. I hope your therapy sessions can help you deal with the stressful sides of your family situation.
Good luck to you and keep us informed. We care!
Her motivation to live....is probably ME and my child. But I know I really need to step up and be more communicable towards her. That's the main reason I started to go to counseling. I know I'll regret a lot.... Tomorrow is my counseling day, I hope to see the something. I mainly talked about my friendship problem in this thread, but all and all it was a good reminder about my mom. So, thank you again. I have read your profile, and "but we carry on." really got me. I need to do that But CARRY ON.
jeannegibbs: I need to try to be "happier, more satisfied person. " I will try and trying might help me in many ways. I know I do need to change or figure out my hormons(!) going rampage about friend , it freaks out my husband. He just can't believe how I can go off such a deep end for 24hours just from"favor".
I now realize, I was very lucky to have a healthy baby at 44! I never planned to have a child ,so it was a total surprise to me. Now I wish if I started a lot earlier, and I probably wanted to have at least one more,LOL.
I am glad to hear, may be I have an extra stress from toddler, I often feel that too.
Thank you so much for all the help and wonderful advices and friendship here online. I really appreciate. And it was nice that I didn't have to waite many days to see replies.
If you are going on a rampage for 24 hours when you social friend asks you to babysit, then that's over the top. Meaning it's an over reaction. I think it's hormonal, but talk to your doc and keep telling your friend no. After you tell her no, try to picture a cookie jar, put her and your reaction to her in the cookie jar and put the lid on it. Take a few minutes to sit in a quite place, close your eyes and visualize this. Maybe you should take some meditation classes. It could be very helpful to you as it has been for so many others.
Andy: Every day give your mom a hug and thank her for helping you and being in your life. Tell you sweet child how much you love her and that she is the light of your life. Tell you husband that you need his support and that you are taking steps to understand more about your self.
Love and blessing to you. Cattails.
Yes, the language suggestion was offered as something that might make your life and Mom's easier, but only if Mom was inclined to learn, and the classes were available...I am aware of the social friendships that develop in those classes and really saw it as having benefits for all, but it is a moot point if they are not available where you live. At 80, I also give Mom a pass if she doesn't want to learn English. I don't think it's disrespectful...if she was 21, sure. But at 80, I respect her past, and the difficulty of trying to learn English now.
I like the idea of other friends who speak her language that she could socialize with, but I'm guessing that you have looked into that. Are there any religious or cultural organizations or other avenues for meeting people who share Mom's language that you haven't tried?
My husband developed friends at the brain injury program he attends, and it has been a godsend, as he developed outside interests and supports. Friends pick him up and take him out for coffee, to breakfast, to a basketball game. In having those friendships, he did not mind my having friendships or supports, either.
Therapy DOES take time, but it is also about fit. LIke friendship, there are some people you can talk to easily, and some who you will never feel fully able to open up to. Andy, if you trust your therapist, but just haven't gotten where you want to be yet, that is one thing, but if you still have second thoughts, or aren't fully comfortable after even 3-4 visits, maybe the fit isn't so good. The right therapist feels like someone you can trust completely. Sometimes that is like a best friend, sometimes like a supportive parent or relative, sometimes like a mentor or teacher, but always, it should feel comfortable, relaxed, and safe. If it doesn't, the person may still be a good therapist, but may never be right for YOU.
You are a kind and thoughtful daughter, and a caring mother, but no one can be those things 100% of the time. It's impossible. Give yourself a pass. Give yourself permission to have a bad day once in a while, or to NOT want to spend time taking care of someone. You are human. It's a hard job. Most people don't understand. The people here do.
It's a beautiful day here in New England this morning, and the birds are singing. Sending a dose of sunshine to all you lovely ladies (and any lurking gentlemen caregivers who pop their heads onto the board).
Good morning!