Neither one of these people give me any respect and there are many secrets between them. If I accidently ask my brother a question about mom or her assests or preparations for her care, I get a condesending tone and nasty remark. I have no information or legal ability to do anything for my mother. My brother says, that is how she wants it, she lies to me and stirs the pot, but basically it all goes back to childhood dynamics.
What finally pushed me over the edge was a snarky remark he made to me recently. Then last weekend, he called my home and when I returned his call, I got no answer. I called several times, no answer. I called my mother to see if she was O.K. and she told me,"yes, he knew I was calling but was just too busy to answer." His life is so much more important than anyone else's. So I told mom I was tired of the way he treats me.
She got very defensive, took up for him (of course), and told me all I ever did was call and complain to her and she was sick of it. Actually, it is the other way around, except I call and she complains. I have never been so shocked at the favoritism she exhibited. It has been this way for years and years.
Friends, boyfriends and my husband have all teased me about "the prince". I can no longer subject myself to this treatment. I feel bad in a way and would love to hear from others out there who have just called it quits. How did it go over time and what was the end result. Just feeling very sad about the entire mess.
It seems this is a tried and tested rule, that controlling children do, and I have to say, sadly, it is more likely about cutting you out of anything she was previously out to leave you.
People will do anything, to anyone when money is involved.
I would say, hard as it is, keep the channels of communication open, for old people are wickedly manipulated this way, and will be to your Mum's disadvantage as well
as yours.
You feel like you cannot take it anymore, and that is PRECISELY where he has got you. People like this make me sick, I would also document everything and alert a solicitor and/or the authorities for this bad manipulation....All bad karma for him....
Anyway, we have all had our roles from the beginning. She has badmouthed me and slammed me to people who don't even know me. She has told my siblings several times that I am going to be cut out of their will. They are fairly well off and I am positive that a number of the rest of them are salivating at the prospect of getting a piece of the action. We live in Florida and she has taken advantage of our hospitality for years, staying weeks on end. I have done it just because I have tried to turn the other cheek and it is the only way to have a relationship with my father, even though he has told me 'I have to take my wife's side'. Really, they are both abusive. They cite Biblical passages but their behavior is not Christian. I cannot see how my mother is anything but evil. I can almost see her mean little wheels turning and she has always, when asked to back off or if I try to put parameters around what I will stand for, embarked on a campaign of smearing me to the entire family. She also seems to really enjoy it when people are in a bad way because it makes her feel good to feel sorry for someone, and will call relentlessly to discuss what she did to 'help' or whatever. It is always all about her.
When I was divorced, she spent her days driving around looking for trailer parks for me to live in. I was well employed and there was no way I was raising my kids in a trailer park. My parents live in a 5000 sq ft house on acreage. It was sort of all she thought I deserved having been divorced, even though they hated my ex and knew the circumstances. She told me I should never date until my kids were grown (I was in my early 30s) and she didn't invite me to family dinners because, according to her she "didn't think you would want to come since you aren't married." She also would repeatedly call me to tell me how hard my divorce was on her and when I told her that I was not the person to talk to about this, she flew off the handle. My father always says things then that excuse her behavior.
Now that they are getting old, it has gotten really ugly. Fortunately, we live several states away. We had a falling out - again - a year ago after my addict sister's husband lost his job and they moved close to us. They stayed with us for about a month, we helped them as much as we could, paid for food when we went out to dinner, and tried to be supportive with their kids. My sister whined constantly about how much she hated it and always wanted my brother in law to take time off for this or that, spend a long weekend with her rather than go in on Monday. He lost his job within a year and my sister immediately moved back in with my parents, back to the bosom of sympathy for her plight. She quit her job to do this, even though her husband had just lost his. The stupid decisions pile up quicker than you can sneeze at!
My mother moaned and groaned so much to me I had to tell her I didn't want to talk about my sister with her anymore. Twice during the conversation she hung up on me so I finally wrote her a firm email. She twisted it to mean that I was being disrespectful to her and my father even called me to tell me to say I was sorry. Shortly thereafter, he called again to say that if I did not say I was sorry, then they wouldn't be going on an 80th birthday cruise that I put together and we all paid for for my dad's 80th. My mother was willing to die on that hill and cause misery for everybody if I didn't apologize - for something that was direct and important for my sanity to say. Now, almost a year later, she has copied this email and sent it to me with nasty comments, she totally has rewritten history about why I had to write it to her rather than say it (because she repeatedly hung up on me), and she sends me copied Bible passages talking about how I did something wrong here. I do not reply. They come fairly often and out of the blue. I think that since I have not reacted to any of them she is bored and really wants more controversy and needs something to go crazy about to someone else, about how terrible I am. I think my silence and refusing to react is really causing her to be furious and to ramp things up.
At this point I am DONE. I do not really care if I ever see her again. She is what I would truly call evil. I do think she has some kind of mental problem but I am staying as far away from her as I can. No contact. My dad has always taken the role of 'saint' but I think he is as culpable as she is. I have read that a family who has at least one NPD person in it, mostly the mother, ends up being like a small cult. The entire thing malfunctions because everybody has to work around this insanity. I think I am the only person in my family who has ever received counseling and for me it was Christian counseling. I have done way too much work on my own self esteem and figuring out what I needed to do to be healthy to fall back again into that pit. It's hard to cut off contact with a parent(s) and family but sometimes it just is what it is.
Why do people become parents who are so blooming mean....Here's a hug from across the waters, you sound like you could write a book on the subject. Also, it sounds like you have survived with a good sense of humour,
Tell a child it is useless for long enough, and it will believe it. YOU DIDN'T!! Well done you,
I think someone who can be so unncessarily mean has the worst issues on the planet. You should be able to adore your creation.
Keep smiling, and thank the lord for the strength he has given you in bearing such an awful person.
We, as children get to read the idylic Janet and John books, or Enid Blyton, where Mother is a gem, bakes and cooks, and spoonfuls of good, sound sense but the
realities are there are many who should simply never have kids!
Of course I was the 'bad daughter", well, duh, nothing new there in their eyes, but now they didn't have me to be the scapegoat... at least not to my face... I had to take on the attitude of 'what they think of me is none of my business"... It wasn't always easy, because I though I NEEDED a family, but I perserved, kept myself in a good place spiritually as well as I could.... When dad died, I went to the funeral, and have had no contact with any of them since.... it is ver liberating... to not have some one saying mean and cruel things to you... expecting you to take and turn the other cheek, or if I did say anything, then it really got crazy because then it was ME starting something.....??????? UH NO, I was the only sane one out of the bunch, so I ran like the wind.... I have very loving friends, that is my family..... and I am very very proud of you for not letting the guilt have more powere than your common sense to get out of the situation.... they don't NEED us, and we don't NEED to be abused by anyone for anyreason...... so keep coming here and letting us know how things are with you... when you feel like you will step back into this, post how you feel and we'll help you to stay behind your boundries.... hugs to you...
There is a thread here that starts... Two years ago this July my mother.... please check it out.... this lady is doing it now... stepping away.... she is having struggles, but I feel you will really identify with her.... her name is Lisa, aka Survived 2
Above, a quote from Melvin Udall, Jack Nicholson's character in "As Good As It Gets"! I love this and my husband and I just have to laugh sometimes to keep from going crazy!
There really needs to be some sort of warning label that if your family dynamic stinks it will be even worse when your parents age.
My brother is not a dishonest man. However, he is arrogant and full of himself. I believe he thinks he is the only person who can take care of mom because he is the only one with brains. He never went to college, isn't that smart but was always the golden child. I have asked several of my relatives, old friends and my husband if all of this is my imagination. I get a solid "NO".
I moved to Florida 22 years ago. My dad never called me once to just say hi. Even today mom never calls me.It is my job to call her, travel to see her and, as she puts it, try and make her happy. I am done.
As the mother of three wonderful daughters, it was my job to support them and help mold them into independent citizens. To make sure I didn't come between siblings, but for the siblings to love and nurture each other. It was my job to stand back and tend the garden. Not to mow it down. Mom has mowed the garden down for the last time.
All dysfunctional families are beyond help unless the individuals recognize their problems and seek help. Unfortunately narcissistic people do no wrong.
I feel better already. Thanks to all.
I read once that from an 'anthropologic' point of view, the eldest of the siblings is usually in some way the favored child. Also that parents unwittingly protect their 'strongest and smartest' to ensure passing on 'superior' genes. This has NOT been the case in my family. I am the oldest and have always overachieved, received awards for being in the top percentage of certain classes and have done well with my career. But my younger brother, who by the way, is not dumb at all, he is smart and has been successful too, is the one not only praised for what a genius he is (every time he has done something at work that received praise he would send the email or whatever to my mother, who sent it out to the world, bragging about him and calling him a 'genious' (that gave us a few laughs). My parents have never known or asked what I did for a living. My brother is an engineer which he was encouraged to become by my dad. I have been a successful sales person in a realm that has been mostly male dominated (industrial supplies, electrical drives, motors, lighting and selling to hospitals). Once my father made the comment that he could see why I would do well "because men like to see a good looking woman". Had nothing to do with any skills that I had to have so it wasn't really even a complement. My sisters, who are nurses and my other brother, who is a CPA followed paths that were advised to them by my parents as well. They do not 'get' me and therefore, what I do has no meaning to them. It is clear to me that rather than being proud of and promoting my abilities they are flattered by the ones who 'do as they say' or emulate them. I am sure that my mother resented my independent spirit and that I didn't exhibit needy behavior as a child, where she could swoop in and be admired for her contribution to 'save' me. Even after a divorce where my ex literally took everything financially, I didn't tell them that I needed anything, although with three young kids, I certainly. I didn't tell them about his staying out all night or any of that and once my mother said "Why didn't you TELL US (whining and dramatic)?". I said because I am a grown up and it's my business. It really didn't occur to me to involve my parents at that age. So what I get from all of this is that unlike 'normal' parents who admire and want to promote a child's independence and ability to handle things in life, their goal is to always be the 'center' around which an entire family revolves.
When I remarried after all three of my kids were grown up and the last one was in college (all went to school, got jobs, all three had scholarships, no one produced a child out of wedlock - all the things my mother told me were sure to happen/not happen since I was divorced) and we've been married 10 years. My dad told my husband that I was 'easier to get along with now that she has married you'. They have always loved my husband, whom I told my past with my parents to and he could not believe then that it could possibly be that bad. Now, after he has dealt with them all this time he says it is so much worse than he could have envisioned and he supports my wanting nothing to do with them! He has lost respect for my dad, who makes excuses for my mother and really, is as much a part of the nuttiness as she is, only in a more passive sense.
Anyway, this is all more of the same. I liked the above comment "I feel better already. Thanks to all"! Hope my stories have helped too. One more thing I have to add - thanks to my supportive, loving husband. If we are fine who cares about the rest of it!
I will have little or nothing to do with my sis (the golden child) once mother is gone. I keep strong boundaries with mother and have detached pretty successfully. Others care for her, I visit once in a while and keep an eye on things. It is all I can do.
frustrated and others with narcissistic and/or personality disorder parents. and siblings - sounds liike you are doing the right things for yourselves. That is awesome. I takes a while to get there - or did in my case anyway. You have to look after you, and let the rest go. They will go their "merry" (destructive) way with or without you.
Even today, if I tell my mother something I have read up on, she will say, "well I have to ask your brother." Slam!!! Knocks you down. Like your husband, my husband, who comes from a family of CPAs, teachers and engineers, is in disbelief at the way my family treats me.
My husband just a few years ago went through the death of his mother. His older brother, who is a CPA, was executor of the sizable estate. There are four siblings in his family and all were kept up on all matters by e-mail. My brother in law also let them know anything they needed to know he was more than glad to talk to them about. All above board and honest. My father in law would have been proud as well as my mother in law. There was respect among the siblings and no unnecessary sniping and back stabbing.
About four months ago my brother called me and told me he was taking mom to a lawyer, redoing her power of attorney, getting a health care directive, making her sign up for Medicare part D, etc. The new power of attorney for her state also has a place for the nomination of a guardian. Looked great to me. He was to get her to name me alternate in case of his death or him not being available to care for her.
Months passed and nothing. Finally about three weeks ago, he called me talking about nothing. When the conversation was wrapping down I asked him if he ever got Mom to the lawyer. He immediately got snarky and lecturing me about his time and being busy and basically just rude. I told him I would never ask again. He was fine with that.
With those comments, I made the remark to mom that he was often rude to me and I was tired of them keeping secrets. I told her she was playing favorites with my brother as she had when we were kids. She flew into a rage. Said the most awful things. It was the straw that broke the camels back.
One of my daughters told me, "Mom, one day you are going to say to hell with those people." Well, that day is here. Thanks for you comments frustrated2
1. Your family will always be the same - with no desire of seeing how Their actions affect you. Therefore, they will continue to treat you disrespectfully.
2. Your own immediate family sees the Uselessness of your trying to help your mom. (Your daughter's comment.)
3. Your brother has decided to take over mom (based on his actions) and your mom's obvious approval (by her actions), therefore, ACKNOWLEDGE that YOU have Done YOUR BEST to care for your mom. It's finally time to Let Her Go.
4. You Have Your Own Immediate Family - I think it's time for you to turn all your attention to them and what YOU want of your life. Seek a job? Go back to your hobby (that you can sell/donate it and therefore bask with pride when people admire it or buy it.)
Sadness? Of course you should feel sad. No matter what you did, you had put your heart and soul into your mom. And she repaid you with nastiness.
Guilt? Nah! Flush that guilt down the drain whenever you hear snippets of how mom/brother are doing. You did your best and was rejected. Time To Move On!
Go and hug your family and Thank Them for being Sooooo Patient with you! You have a very caring family, Madge. Treasure it! Take care!
Please think about this situation -not just with your heart - but also with your mind. If this was happening to your best friend or even with your husband and his family, what does it look like from that perspective?
Just separate yourself emotionally from the equation, decide a plan = write it down if it helps - to keep you on the your current path (away from them) and as a reminder.
I hope all goes well with you! Keep us updated, okay? If you decide to disappear from this site, can you say your goodbyes? So we won't have to worry. But if you decide to stay on and help others, we would love that too!! Take care!