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I *love* Tommy Lee Jones. Anyone seen "In The Valley Of Elah"? Fabulous performance. Excellent in "No Country For Old Men" too. Underrated I think.
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And yes, just goes to show one in what odd directions a topic like "crisis of faith" can go.
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The way threads go when they get longer is they either turn into flames or become conversational. I guess we could throw flames back and forth, as long as no one gets mad. But I'm kind of superstitious of lightning, Nicolas Cage, and Joaquin Phoenix. Imagine the three all together. DooWeeeOooooo
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Actually there is a tie-in to crisis of faith and Joaquin Phoenix! He and his siblings were raised, for a time, by their parents in some kind of religious cult called Children of God in Venezuela. It is believe that the children were used in a practice called "Flirty Fishing" as a way of attracting new members. So there you go - full circle moment! This is kinda like a religious version of "Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon", lol!
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No, AKD, I'd moved on to excessively beautiful men who at the same time have more than one dimension. Actually I was thinking of George Clooney, but Leonardo di Caprio (sp? Isn't that ridiculous - can't remember how to spell his surname - contagious dementia again…) would be another - what the poor lad must have gone through waiting for people to get past his youthful looks and notice that in fact he can act, and how. It isn't just a typecasting problem - or not for men, anyway - Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt are the same character whatever film they're in, but hey who cares?
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JessieBelle there is a seriously exciting screenplay waiting for that combination somewhere!

Could I also give Joaquin Phoenix a vote of thanks for making his agent, who must have fought it tooth and nail, let him take the role of Commodus in Gladiator. He was so good - good as in terrifyingly vicious, that is. Now that Rainmom mentions his upbringing I wonder what he was channelling???
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I think when you get to heaven you will be shown a film of all the mistakes you made when alive and in my case the cloud I am standing on will open like a trap door and I will fall to "Hell"....
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See you there assandache, nice to know I will know someone when i get there!
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I think I'd rather be there than have to watch that film. Oi.
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I must throw my pic in for best leading man. Tommy Lee is so so....well you know. When he wears his blue jeans and sports coat, oh my what a look. And Kevin Bacon is the ultimate good looking bad boy. My hubby finds movies with my two favorite leading men and tapes them for me. He's great that way! Rainmom I hope you are feeling better after seeing from this thread that you are not alone when it comes to doubts. I've been thinking alot about this since you posted and I have come upon the notion that we as caregivers unlike most people have such an up front and personal view of suffering and dying. We live with it in our face sometimes for years when we care for a LO. This very personal view can make us question why, I know it does me sometimes. I dont have the answers right now, I thought I did but not anymore, so I just live a good life one I can be proud of and hope the things I do will make life happier for those I touch. Thanks again for starting this thread.
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Do I hear an "amen"!
Actually that's the premise of the film Defending Your Life. They take a look back at a specific number of days in your life - shown in a small courtroom like setting, showing the days on a screen like a movie. Then you are "assessed" on how your dealt with fear. Living a life without fear is the criteria for being able to move on. Seriously - it you haven't seen it, you should. It's really very funny but deep and insightful at the same time. Generally I don't care for Albert Brooks but he's very good in this. It also has Meryl Streep, Rip Torn, Lee Remick and Buck Henry. To give you an idea - and a tiny spoiler - during time off from their trails which are held in Judgement City, the main characters go to The Pavillion of Past Lives for fun. Shirley MacLaine is the host appearing on tape - too funny.
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Jim Carey would be my leadong man. His movies are the best for the questionable soul in a crises. They are funny, but also carry a message about human nature in a positive light. I too have questioned my faith in the past, but I never questioned my belief in god. Life and the Universe are just to wonderous to just be an existence.
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ramiller - I've been doing a lot of thinking as well. When I started this discussion I was worried that I'd get preached to by hard core bible thumpers. I mean it takes a special, dedicated, sacrificing type of individual to do what we do, amen? Given that, I thought the population here would lean towards the religiously zealous. I truly was surprised with the number of responses that either had doubts and/or didn't follow traditional religions. But it makes sense what you said - that because we see the suffering so up close, so personal and on such a regular basis that there are maybe more of the religiously ambiguous here. Sendme2help asked if I felt I have been helped by this discussion - and while I think it's too soon to really say - at this point I'd have to say yes and no. No, in that I don't feel any closer to real answers on the how's and why's - but the yes creeps in here in that I don't think I'm ever going to have any answers but I feel okay with that. But the main yes comes from knowing so many are similar with their own questions and doubts - that so many obviously smart, kind, generous individuals are okay with going their own non-traditional ways. This in itself has reopened my heart and mind to the possibilities. That - and knowing if I go to hell I'm going to have some excellent company.
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RM, if I get there first I'll save you a seat.........
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I remember reading Jesus saying that hell was created for the devil and his fallen angels. I don't want to spend eternity with them. They make and have made my life on earth hard enough as is.
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My Mum reckons she is going to heaven and I definitely don't want to be there either - sorry guys - me being flippant as I don't believe in either
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Well I strongly believe in God and heaven and feel sorry for those of you who don't. If I thought that this was all there was I probably would of offed myself long ago.

Yes, those of you who don't believe are probably thinking oh Gershun if there is a God why do you want to off yourself. Well I don't blame God for my problems. In fact its during those times in my life where I am really being attentive to God that things go well for me. I just tend to fall off the bandwagon at times.

Theres an old saying "If you don't feel close to God, its not him who has moved"
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I also remember a few things the apostle Paul had to say about things. Basically, it went like this. If the dead are not raised we are to be pitted and we might as well eat and drink for tomorrow we may die. That sums up the outlook of many. However, I believe in the resurrection and do not consider earth to be my permanent residence for I have a spiritual heavenly citizenship that is eternal. One day, I will be absent from this earthly body, but present with the Lord. When the Lord returns, I look forward to having a resurrection body like Christ's that will never die, get sick, have problems, etc.
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The Lord, (Lord God Almighty, who is Jesus) is going to fight for me.
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cwillie, sorry I am just now seeing your question in response to my comment on Jan 3. For me, the seeking was about 4 months, but there was 1 month of intense seeking before I was able to see in the spiritual realm. Those months were so painful and long, but 2 years later I still have faith. Nothing can take that assurance away from me. I believe it's in the book of Matthew (in the Beatitudes) where Jesus said, "Blessed is the pure in heart for they shall see God". I am a living testimony of that promise.
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