As many know my dad died last year, a saint, but my mom is a nut case. Demanding, unappreciative, unrealistic about what I should be doing for her, etc. etc.
She moved into a senior apt (independent) but still has her home, which she did nothing to prepare it for a sale now expects me to help her, yet when I help, doesn't like it. My out of state brother cleared out tons of junk last May and she would not let us throw it away, and it is still there, and it IS junk.
Trying to keep this to the subject. I go there 2, perhaps 3 times a week. That is not enough for her even though the apartment has a van to provide rides to shopping malls, medical appts. etc. She does not like that. She wants me to drive her around
Still, plenty of do to help. Every time I go there, I resolve in my mind that no matter how nutty and insulting and frantic she gets, I will stay cool, calm and collected and not yell at her or treat her disrespectfully.
But she keeps at it, being frantic, intense, hurling insults of how little I do, saying how much her friends kids do, blah blah blah
Inevitably I blow up with raising my voice, expletives, etc. Then I go home not only feeling abused by her, but feeling mad at myself I cannot control myself, but its like shes almost not happy until I blow up.
At the same time, no matter what I do its not enough. Small thing but no matter when I choose to leave, even after eight hours of servitude, she asks if I cannot stay longer.
She is not pleasant to be with and I don't want to stay longer. Yet no matter how long I stay, its always, cant you stay longer. I never go home feeling like I did a good job for her.
Two issues: I know its on my to deal with the guilt. She can impose guilts on me all she wants and I have to learn not to accept it. But also, I wish I could keep control of myself, no matter how much she abuses me.
I read about this graystoning or grayrocking or whatever it is, not responding with any emotion but she does not like that. She keeps on me and on me until I blow up.
I did the same for my brother as you are doing for your mom. I was taking him to all of his doctor appointments, surgeries at the hospital and grocery and pharmacy shopping. I can see being there for a person who is having surgery. That’s a legitimate need.
I excused him because I knew he suffered numerous injuries from his motorcycle accident and he was in poor health. Eventually I did stop caring for him due to the stress. I had my mom living with me. It was too much.
If your mom is in good health and capable of riding the shuttle bus they provide for her to go for medical treatment, grocery and pharmacy trips, then I would remind her that her senior community offers several services that she needs to use.
Do not put this statement in the form of a question! Do not say, ‘Don’t you want to ride the shuttle or say You can ride the shuttle, Okay?’
When she responds with, “I can’t do that.” Don’t continue the conversation. She heard what you said. No need to repeat it for her to object and then the two of you are going back and forth like a yo-yo. Do not create more conflict. Of course, she will be upset. She’s going to give you backlash. It is upsetting.
What is more upsetting though? To succeed in getting your life back even if you catch backlash as you are walking out of the door or hanging up the phone or giving in and hating the trap that you are in?
Take it from me. I stayed in misery with my brother and my mom a lot longer than I should have. I totally regret having done that.
Take the advice of the wise people who have posted. We have all been in your shoes. Not easy but you can free yourself from this misery.
Best wishes to you.
Blimey, that's a long visit!
There are some people who are just not a good mix, and they can be people who do love each other very much all the same.
What would a good visit look like? If you were to go home thinking "that went really well :)" what would you and your mother have done together during the preceding hours?
Nobody is going to feel proud of herself when she's yelled or sworn at her mother, obviously, and I sympathise with how frustrating it is when you feel you've been driven to it *again*. In the days before I lived with her I called my mother every day, and again and again I would find myself droning on and nagging her over the phone, in spite of how useless I knew it was, and I would hang up feeling that I'd bullied her and got nowhere - it was horrible, but this kind of dynamic is a pattern and it's very hard to change.
Do you think your mother is picking fights with you out of habit?
So if cure not possible - try to contain!
Well that's usually incontinence advice but a light bulb just went off in my head & I think the phrase could apply? ie contain the effect on you.
1. Call it out.
"You are such a Negative Nancy today. Or Needy Nelly."
2. Put in a plan.
" I can stay for 1.5 hours today. I can drive you to X & Y on Wednesdays & Fridays.
I am happy to drive you TWICE a week but you are saying you need to go out more than that. So I suggest also using the transport van. No? What else can YOU think of then?"
3. Assess plan.
Working... Mum starts to transition to using the transport van & make new connections with other people - not relying on you 100%? Yes - success!
Or not working... why not? What are the barriers? Time for referrals for behaviour??
Best of luck.
PS check out *It's been a hard week* thread for another needy elder wanting *only family* if it helps you.
Karsten, you are spending too much time with mom. It does not matter if you are not working, your time is *yours* not mom's. You can say NO. You can chose to answer the phone. You can chose to be abused. You can chose to walk away.
Mama won't like it. Tough kitty.
She's a big girl and I believe she can pull up her big girl panties and figure out how to live without you being her punching bag. I've seen my mthr recover from my removal from her realm (yes, I stopped talking to her for a while to get some good boundary training). She was fine - she actually started having breakfast at the diner where other people like her ate. I absolutely have every confidence that your mom can do the same.
Now it's time to gird your loins and do battle with yourself. You do need to practice saying no. I've found the Boundaries book but there's also a video series online by Henry Cloud who was a coauthor. Dr. Laura on XM or on her podcast is great for learning how to loosen mama's ties. Just like I know your mom can figure out life without you, I know you can figure out life without the excuse of having to be there for mom - real life is much easier! With unemployment at an all time low, there has to be something to occupy your time.
Thats why you need a therapist.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but you are emotionally tied to your mother in a very sad and dysfunctional way.
You are an adult. She is an adult who is solely responsible for her own maintenance and happiness.
I'd take a two week vacation and let her fall back on her own resources a bit.
You are not her guardian. You are NOT responsible for her.
I hinted I may go south for a few weeks this winter to get away from cold and she panicked, wondering how I could do that with no one to take care of her.
I am single, never married (not to blame but in small part to the dysfunctional way I was raised by her, but lots of people overcome that) and when I get old there will be no one to take care of me.
When I try to tell her life is not perfect for me either, no family, no job, etc she reacts one of two ways: Either, and whose fault is that? (Implying its my fault, and to a degree it is) or, and how do you think that makes ME feel. I kind of get that as I assume parents want their kids to be happy, and if they think their kids aren't happy it effects them, but right away, its how it makes HER feel.
But my availability due to no job is a factor. I have a brother out of state, and another in town but with a nightmare wife of his own to deal with, so I am it. Sorry to ramble.
Maybe you should do it!
I have warned my lot I will be doing a sea change or tree change in about 3 yrs but only itty bitty changes made. When I do 'relo' it will *Hit The Fan*
Sending [[[hugs]]] your way, because it is sooo hard!
She is someplace where there are folks to look after her.
Visit once a week for ONE hour or until she starts in. Get up and leave "I'll see you soon ma" and walk out. DON'T ENGAGE WITH HER. Dont answer. Just leave.
Are you seeing a therapist?
Whenever your mother begins any abusive vernacular, say "Sorry Mom but I'm not going to listen to any abusive rants. Maybe our visit next ____ can be longer" and walk out the door. If it's a phone call, hang up.
When your mother asks you to drive her somewhere the facility's van could take her say "Mom, you need to schedule that with the van service." If your mother replies negatively or abusively say "Sorry Mom you need to use the van, goodbye."
Set her number to go directly to VM and check it only 1-2 times a day. Let your mother become accustomed to using the IL resources. You will both be better off.
Don't visit her as often and definitely don't stay all day...why? Let her make her own friends, being a helicopter daughter is not the answer.
When you do go there and she starts putting you down, pick up your things and leave, no explanation, just go, for the rest of the day don't answer the phone. If you are not strong enough to not answer the phone, block her. When she questions you, tell her why and that you will leave every time she starts on you...and do it.
You have no boundaries and she knows it. As for guilt, that is a self imposed emotion, that solves absolutely nothing, a total waste of time and emotion, turn it around and be at peace with what you do for her.
Your life is passing you by. I’m sure we’ve said this to you before, but you and Mom are still enabling each other. I have to wonder if, in some odd way, you both enjoy this cat and mouse game.
Have you ever sought counseling with the specific intent of learning how to deal? If so, did you give it a chance? If not, you need to explore the possibility.
Mum could still be deep in grief & benefit from outside support to adjust to her new life?
Has she ever had a cog/neuro evaluation? Do you suspect any mild impairment? Maybe she can't cope with holding the facade up for non-family?
So sorry to hear about your Dad. Many (((Hugs))) for that.
Mum: where to start?
1. Mum has that tunnel vision that only family should help her.
2. She wants you at her beck & call.
3. She is prepared to throw a tantrum to get her way.
4. She will keep pushing your boundaries until she meets the edge - until you snap.
All this is completely reasonable (to her).
All this is SO familiar!
I will try to help you if I can!
So sorry to hear about your Dad. Many (((Hugs))) for that.
Mum: where to start?
1. Mum has that tunnel vision that only family should help her.
2. She wants you at her beck & call.
3. She is prepared to throw a tantrum to get her way.
4. She will keep pushing your boundaries until she meets the edge - until you snap.
All this is completely reasonable (to her).
All this is SO familiar!
I will try to help you if I can!
Stop jumping when she says jump. If there are options for her to get to appointments, shopping etc, stop providing her a ride. Next time she calls, just say, no I am not available to drive. You will have to take the van.
Stay away a week or two, or until the end of the year. You do not have to see her on Christmas.