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Mainly, my children brought me joy and my mother brings me dread, fear, pain and chronic anxiety. On his worst day with colic my son was better than my mother on her best day. The fruits of all my labor with my children put forth a loving and caring RN who's planning her wedding and a CFO of a company who's celebrating his 4th anniversary and planning to give me a grandchild soon. The fruits of all my labor with my mother put forth a woman who constantly complains, is never satisfied no matter HOW much is done for her, puts down others, giving nothing back but sucking everyone bone dry. What I have to look forward to with my children is something joyful but what I have to look forward to with my mother is more pain, more worry, more trips to the hospital and eventual death that will be torturous to witness, I'm sure, based on past experience with EVERYTHING, providing she doesn't outlive me. I'd rather have another 10 children than 1 elderly parent to take care of. Sad but true.
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anonymous828521 Jul 2019
Right on lealonnie1🌈
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kbuser,

Thanks so much for pointing this out because it is exactly how I feel. Just knowing the end is coming, especially with a progressive disease like my mom has, causes quite a bit of anxiety.
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Justme44 Jul 2019
Same here. Knowing what we are about to witness is scary and sad as hell. Gives me anxiety. Know its coming but not sure how to deal with it. I was in room when my grandma died at 8 years old and when my brother died, and I go in like a shock where it feels like im in a dream and emotion doesn't come right in the moment. For me its after its truly sunk in that they are gone. We all grieve different and its perfectly normal but we have to allow ourselves to feel the pain and go through the grief. All stepping stones to our next chapter in life. Hugs & prayers!!
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Cali,

The rebellion of the elderly is so much like the rebellious stage of a teenager! It amazes me how the elderly totally lose their filter and say whatever the hell they please. That’s when it helps to have a sense of humor when applicable.
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There are definitely parallels between raising children and taking care of elderly parents BUT raising children is easier.

It does take a team to help raise kids. If you think about it, we rely on teachers to take care of our kids for 6-7 hours a day. I know a lot of parents who rely on extracurricular activities as another form of child care or a way to get a break from their kids (sports, theater, girl
scouts/boy scouts, karate, music and dance lessons). Family is also expected to help with the kids. I don’t think you can raise a child alone, whether you realize or it not, there’s a team helping you. And you are watching your child grow & flourish, you are preparing them to go out into the world on their own.

With aging parents, again it usually takes a team—it takes hired caregivers, family members, doctors & specialists. It is harder because although the roles reverse in some ways, you don’t have full control over your parents, you can’t make them do things the way you can make a child do it.

With children, little by little you are giving them independence. With an aging parent, little by little you are watching them lose their independence. It is easier for me to give my kids independence than it is to see my mom losing hers because it means she’s just that much closer to leaving this earth.

With aging parents, you are basically preparing for them to leave this world. There are no hopes and dreams, like there are when you are raising kids.

So while i agree, there are a lot of similarities, raising kids and taking care of elders is not the same and raising kids is easier. You can’t compare changing the diaper of a 1 year old to changing the diaper of a 90 year old. It is just not the same. Not physically and not mentally. The smells aren’t even the same. And the only people who seem to think it i the same, don’t have kids, go figure!! You can make a 6 year old get dressed and get in the car but you can’t force a grown adult to do that. It is much easier to get a child to comply than an adult.
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I think it is somewhat similar, but one of the major issues, to me, is dealing with the anticipatory grief. Knowing that things are going to keep getting worse, dealing with the parent slipping away more every day. At least with kids they grow up and end up being there for you, hopefully. Not so with elder caregiving. It's truly the hardest thing I have ever done in my life, emotionally and physically.
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Pstracy Jul 2019
I totally agree. Some tasks may seem similar to tasks or experiences raising a child, but there is that constant underlying grief knowing your parent is reaching the end of their life and that you will be losing them. This on top of just the decline. Children are starting their life and you are helping them to grow.

I never had children myself, but I can't imagine this anticipatory grief raising a child.
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I think it is worse, so much time has to be spent on them, being a home caretaker can and many times will ruin their life, mentally, physically and financially. So many of our seniors want everything done exactly their way, if they are not happy, the caretaker ramps it up to do everything in their power to make it right. Cannot be done and continuing to try and fix everything for the LO starts that downhill slide for the caretaker, they loose themselves and many never recover from that. Somehow, I think so much of this has to do with feeling "Only I" can do it right for my LO, so I will put that white hat on, jump on my white horse , ride in and save them...Oh yes, no one can do it like I can! Wrong, others can! If I haven't learned anything else, I have learned that seniors need to be in a social environment, to relate to people their own age, who they feel that they can relate to.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jul 2019
Yes, set in their ways!
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There are certainly parallels between the two......short attention spans, prone to tantrums, wearing us out with demands, mealtime fussiness and not always sleeping through the night.....just to name a few. Not to be negative, but we all know how this impacts our lives and well being. That said.....with children, the downside rarely overshadows the upside. They are capable of switching gears at a moments notice, as they grow older they show more patience and become more reasonable and each year that passes is a new beginning. Children bring a joy and sweetness to our lives as nothing else can and as grandparents we are forever grateful for the opportunity to cherish the do over that was gifted to us.

Sadly, because of the mental impairments our elderly parents endure and the physical limitations of disease can oftentimes wear us down to a frazzle as we deal with finances, sibling disagreements, our complicated medical system, meds, caregivers, stubbornness and the heartache that comes with our LO's decline. Even with those "off days" with the kids, you know tomorrow will be better. With our elders hope diminishes and eventually fades away.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jul 2019
So true.
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I think the biggest difference is that you can raise a child by yourself, but to take care of an elder you need a team of "doctors, nurses, rehab facilities, home health, social workers, family members, etc." as you put it. And most of those people don't come cheap, and most of them require the elder's agreement even though you have to do all the work of arranging them, transporting them, etc. You can raise a kid and still be able to go to work and go out socially, what with public school being free and baby sitters being inexpensive or even free (helpful family), but taking care of an elder is life-consuming and help is so expensive.

You can pick up and move with a child and they have to go, whereas seniors are settled, set in their ways, and legally entitled to live where they want. No matter how much easier or better it would be for you or your family your ability to pursue other life interests simultaneously, you just can't move them. They have to agree, and generally won't.

And, as others have said, senior expect to be catered to a lot more than kids do. Kids know their parents are in charge. Parents have a lifetime of being in charge and think they should continue to be in charge. So it's a power struggle every day, in some cases (like mine).

Not the same, in any way. BTW, I don't have children. So I got the Mom.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jul 2019
Carla,

It’s hard. No matter if we have raised children or not. You have the toughest job. As you can see, even those of us who have raised kids firmly believe caring for the elderly is harder.
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Takincare,

Really good point about us dying first! Sadly, it happens.
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cwille,

Absolutely! Those are major differences. Thanks for pointing that out. I totally agree. That being said, I had a caregiver coming for awhile that was young (18 years old) and I thought to myself, “What could this young lady possibly know about caregiving? How did the agency hire her?” Boy, was I wrong in doubting her!

So I politely asked her how and why she chose this line of work? She replied, “My neighbor did this work. I used to babysit her kids often and felt I could do a great job. She knew I was saving for college and asked me if I wanted to apply because they were hiring so I thought, well older people are just larger babies. I applied, got the job and I love it!” Mom loved her! She was funny, played cards with mom. Made fun snacks for mom and indeed did a great job so I guess it depends on the person’s individual perspective on it. Interesting, huh?

As far as kids being portable you are exactly correct as you are correct on the other topics too. Thanks for responding to my post. Appreciate it.
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gdaughter Jul 2019
I can't find the post where you said you have a 97 year old cousin who gets speeding tickets and tells the cops off LOL. 102 DELIBERATELY calculated and had count'em not ONE but TWO cataract surgeries weeks apart to be SURE he passed the vision test to renew his license. There was some kind of glitch and to get it cleared up the BMV had to call Columbus...got off the phone and the clerk said "all of Columbus says Congratulations!" The State Highway Patrol people in the vicinity were rolling their eyes...but my dad never speeds!
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Caring for young children is easier than the adult especially if you have zero family support. Just had my 3 year old grandchild here for the weekend and he was much easier to deal with than 92 year old MIL. She has more pouting pity parties than I can count in a day. Wants a piece of cheese and an ice cream cone for lunch. Not healthy, she can have the cone for dessert not her meal. She will be in a good mood till one of her daughters calls, then poor me whining starts. Pissed off when she doesn't get her way and begins her texting barrage to her daughters who then yell at me for not doing exactly what mom wants when she wants it. At least when dealing with a child you know that this is a stage they will grow out of whereas with her it's only going to go downhill and never improve. As far as child care much easier to find a babysitter for them so you can get out, not so much with MIL. She and 2 SIL EXPECT us to take her with us ALL of the time. MIL has begun to makes very loud comments about how much I have eaten and that I need to box the rest up for HER to take home to the point that other patrons are looking to see how much I have eaten (I wear a size 6 so it's not like I have a need to lose). Or she will reach out and pat my food and tell me, I'll eat this tomorrow. Doesn't matter how many times she is asked not to touch it she still does. If she is not obeyed fat enough she will loudly state I said to box that up, MY son is paying for THAT, it's not like you're rolling in the money or bringing in a paycheck. Um, we're retired and he occasionally does some outside contractor work for his old company, maybe 4 hours a month. It's stressful, but you know you're doing what is best for them. When she came here her hospice nurse was giving her 4 to 6 weeks because of her physical condition, now she could go on for years or her heart could say enough tomorrow. Most that work in hospice or AL do so because they choose to. They are special people who are trying to their best for their residents. They become family and these workers are negatively impacted by the loss of the people who they have been caring for. There's a special place in heaven for the people who care for them and do not just view residents as a paycheck. AL employees also feel frustration with the system, budget cuts, argumentative family members who don't want to "deal" with elder but also don't want to listen to suggestions or advice about the situation. It's a 2 way street.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jul 2019
Oh my gosh. yes, yes and absolutely YES!
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Children bring joy, they are happy, positive, energetic. I'm not experiencing that in dealing with elders for the most part, just sayin'. It's a very negative experience! When I was a child, my parents told me what to do and when - they were in control and I knew it. Me, trying to oversee their care, has been a giant sh*tshow and a train wreck, affecting my life in ways I could never have prepared for.

At least when you have children, you have a general timeline of what to expect as they grow through different stages. The terrible twos, etc. Not so much with elders, it changes from day to day and sometimes it's life or death stuff. Not fun.
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AlvaDeer Jul 2019
Boy, you are right on there, Upstream. When we are dealing with kids we are dealing with the BEGINNING and when with elders we are looking at the end. Great observations.
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I've never had kids, but my brother is currently raising two young ones. When he sees what I have to do to care for the elders, he says "It's 1000 times worse." than caring for the kids.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jul 2019
Yep!
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I think dealing with our parents is more like raising teenagers than small children. My mom is in IL, but I help with her finances and other life issues. I have definitely noticed that (sometimes) she is all about fun and about herself and that she doesn't consider others. I have teenagers, too, so I see the similarities daily, lol. (College student just wants to be on her own and be "left-alone-to-handle-my-life-and-can-you-put-money-in-my-account"?)

Caring for children was a littler easier, at least when they were really young. Dh and I decided almost everything for them, certainly the big things: where they would live, what they would eat, with whom they would associate, daily schedules, etc.

Adults who begin needing assistance sometimes don't consider that they need to compromise and let some things go so their children (or whomever) can help them without completely abandoning their own lives.

I don't necessarily agree that "professionals" who care for old people are in it for the money. The corporations who own multiple facilities obviously are in business to make a profit. (I'm an American and a capitalist, so I am in favor of running a business to make a profit, though I think this should be balanced with doing what is right.) Probably some of the hands-on caregivers see their jobs as a calling, but the workers I see often seem like they perhaps aren't educationally qualified for other jobs. Likely some of them are happy and feel useful in their work, but I suspect if they could be Directors of Marketing for Acme Inc., they wouldn't be working in nursing homes. (I also don't see child care as being a big money maker. Maybe I'm wrong.)

My experiences with my mother -- realizing her precarious financial situation and slogging through the lengthy process of getting her out of a house she couldn't afford following my father's death -- have given me much food for thought.

I know that preparing for old age starts in middle age. It's not just about decluttering/rightsizing, saving money, and purchasing LTC insurance (though all of those are important). It involves developing a realistic attitude. If I live longer, I will get "old". I won't be able to do what I can do now. I won't have the energy or strength to handle a big house, a menagerie of critters, or complicated financial matters at six different banks. I need to do what I can to make things simpler for my children who, I hope, will help me as needed.

If I'm alive into my eighties, I hope to be realistic about when and where I should move so I can live as independently as possible. I now see that I can either decide for myself ahead of time, or that the decisions will be made for me, probably following a crisis of some kind... and I may not like what others decide.

If I am going to be child-like as an elder, I hope to be a "teenager" who has prepared and has done what she could to put the buttons on her affairs so those caring for me can oversee and manage without having to fight with me every step of the way.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jul 2019
TexasGirl.

Great points! I really liked reading what you had to say. Love the comparison to teens! Yes, my mom has had that attitude as well. Thanks for your insightful post.
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I will readily admit that many of the tasks involved in elder care like prepping meals, dealing with incontinence and challenging behaviours are similar to child care, and I think my time raising kids was a good prep course for elder care. But to many of us making that comparison is asking for a fight, because the differences are jarring and elder care is so different both physically and emotionally.

Children learn and their horizons expand - elders diminish and their horizons are shrinking

When little Sally trips and falls you pick her up and kiss her booboo. When an elder falls getting them off the floor is a major event, and they may be severely injured

Changing an adult diaper is nothing like changing a child.

With your little ones you can look forward to the day they are finally potty trained

Little kids are easily portable, if you need to go out you just pop them in their car seat. Planning and executing trips outside the home with a frail elder is difficult, if not impossible

Most babies are sleeping through the night before their first birthday

You (almost) never have to make the agonizing choice to have your child live in a residential facility

Our elders have their own life history that includes being a competent person in control of their own fate, few give up that control willingly

When your toddler has a tantrum sure it's distressing, but when an elder has a tantrum you may need to call 911 because they have the size and strength to do harm

Sorry for the rant, but you get the idea.
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againx100 Jul 2019
Too true!!
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Alva,

What a great response and thanks for pointing out the change in hospice. This is important for all of us to note.
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Yes. So much of what you say is true. And as to that last, aging care, with more of us aging, and (sadly to me) living longer, it will be more a part of the profit-making industries as we go. I have seen hospice go from a marvelous innovative and caring option into a business pure and simple.
As to the comparison to caring for children? Yes. They are bigger and strong and in more danger quicker and more easily, but otherwise often they are much like children. And I see people playing into their demanding antics as though they were really children. A woman posted she was daily going to the store for her Dad who was addicted to popsicles and very angry if he didn't get them.
The other thing is that, for those of us who raised children, perhaps we could come to some consensus that nothing on earth makes you feel so inadequate and so guilty as raising kids. UNLESS it is caring for our elders. Enjoyed your post so much. So much food for thought. So interested in seeing other's opinions.
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