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My mother complains of feeling isolated. I visit at least 3 times a week and ring daily. My two siblings visit at least once a week. The truth is that she is quite negative and it drags you down.



No one takes her out anywhere because she can become abusive and angry over very minor things. In fact, she complains loudly about everything and it is really unpleasant.



She attends church 3 times a week but doesn't go anywhere with friends, I think because of the behaviors described above.



I was considering approaching her parish priest to ask if he could suggest anyone who might offer her some company.

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Hello Charlen74,

Nothing will beat the feeling of loneliness other than another human in people's life.

Some people are lucky enough to have a hustle and bustle of people around them children doing there things, husband or wife, girlfriend or boyfriend, and friends in general. These people don't really know loneliness because they've never experienced it. For lonely people I'm sure it's really like being locked in one's own mind with only your own thoughts spinning around.

When you've are not married and have not children, all your friend that you thought were friends have dessert you, and you have no partner and not even the visits from family, that's severe loneliness. I think with you phoning and your siblings visiting it's good your mother does not have complete loneliness, because you all look after her and visit. There many in the world literally have no one and if they are disabled on top of this and can't even get out to shops around other human beings it's even worse.

I believe your mother's loneliness is more companionship loneliness and this is where you need to look to see if this void can be filled, only another human can make loneliness better. Maybe someone her own age around her or some kind of group activities may help.

I did the same for my mom by phoning everyday, but it was only 15mins of the day, when she didn't have her mobility it was less of a problem because she had activities to do and a group she went to once a week. Then I thought about her sitting and eating alone day after day. Other siblings rarely phones and once in a blue moon visited her. After my mom's mobility issues increased along with other health issues I decided to be her caregiver.

Sometimes I wonder why many elderly like to be around busy cities and shopping area's, it's to being around other human beings and maybe some retail therapy too.

I think you are helping a lot already by phoning daily and visiting and I'm sure it's helping, it's something for your mom to look forward to.

I do not mean to digress but in the not too distant future AI driven robots will fill some of the void, my view is it would be a little sad humans can't directly fill the void instead, but as people have rushed, busy lives, juggling a million things; it's not easy to be around a single elderly LO and the only solution is finding people of their own age that are in a similar situation for companionship.

Take care.
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NeedHelpWithMom Aug 2023
Wonderful post! Valid points.

People can be living in a crowded city among many other people and still be lonely.

Also, as you say, phone calls and visits may be frequent but short.
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You’re already doing too much for her. She doesn’t want to be happy or an effort to be around people.

Talking to her priest might help.

If she is complaining that people don’t flock to her, be honest. It’s because she is negative and an all-around pain to be around! She won’t like to hear that, and I doubt she’d change, but at least she’d know the reason.

Is she widowed? She may not be lonely so much as she wants her old life back. Or someone to entertain her and make her happy. No one can be all that for her.
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charlen74 Aug 2023
Yes, widowed for over 20 years. Thanks for your suggestions.
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The problem is, no matter how much you visit or call they will claim to be lonely. Seniors are like small children, they expect to be entertained and the center of everything 24/7. No one can keep up that level.
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Onlychild07 Oct 2023
Absolutely!!
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This is one of the reasons why I chose to move my father into assisted living after his health issues became too much for him to live at home — he was lonely. My mother was the social one, the one who kept up with the friends from church, even when she was not easily able to leave the house. Once she passed he had trouble being social expect for family and the pandemic just made it worse. Having him in AL (near us now) made a huge difference. He has a whole social world separate from the family.
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drat55 Oct 2023
Hi- this is the main reason we're thinking of getting mom into a facility. (She's 90, widowed for 10+ years, hard time walking, falls occasionally - but just doesn't care about flushing the toilet, putting her Depends in the trash, taking her meds, answering the phone, etc.) Very negative, doesn't want anyone telling her what to do, etc. Watches TV all day. DOES have someone take her to church once a week.

One of my sisters runs herself ragged going over to do something for Mom.

Though there are reasons to go over there and help, we think she COULD live in her house for a while longer - but my sisters and I AND her doctor think her depression is the biggest issue.

And so that's why we're thinking of assisted living, though we're not sure how long she can afford it. (She thinks if she's gonna sit and watch TV all day anyway, why pay a lot of money to go somewhere else to do it?)

SO - have many of you noticed a marked improvement in depression once they're around people again?
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Does she have short-memory impairment at all? If so, she probably isn't even remembering that anyone visited her. This is how it is with my 89-yr old MIL in LTC. Her son will call and 5 minutes later if you asked if she enjoyed her call from Glen, she'll say she hasn't heard from him in a long time. We are resigned to the fact that no matter how many times we visit, she doesn't remember. She enjoys it "in the moment" but that's as far as it goes. We have come to grips with the fact that we aren't her entertainment committee nor are we responsible for her happiness. We love her and are responsible for her protection and health, but we can't control her state of mind (even though she is on meds for depression).
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charlen74 Aug 2023
She had memory tests from someone who came to her home for 1.5 hrs only recently. However, I've noticed for a while now she will say she's not seen or heard from someone for so many days, weeks, months when in fact she will have been in contact with them much more recently than what she claims.
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I have to say, Debbie Downers really drag you down. And the problem with them is that you make suggestions but there is always a reason why its impossible for them to do it. Been there with a friend. She made bad choices in her life. She expected things out of people and when they didn't do what she felt they should, she felt rejected. She divorced when she was 30. Leaving her to raise 2 boys alone. I am sure she did not have a nice thing to say about their Dad to them so caused some estrangement with the boys. Negatively talking about her DIL didn't help either. She had heart problems, diabetes and before her death was wheelchair bound. She took no advantage of resources available to her. I did what I could but I had a husband, a mother in decline and grandchildren I wanted to enjoy. As did most of the people she expected to help her. The last straw for me is when I received a VM with her screaming at me because I did not tell her about a class luncheon that I did not offer her a ride too. I called her, she would not pick up. I texted I had no idea what she was talking about. Never heard from her. Found out it was not our class but another class that had a luncheon.

So what I am saying is sometimes people create their own loneliness by the way they treat others and their expectations of others. You don't want to be lonely, then do something about it.
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charlen74 Aug 2023
I fully agree. It is difficult to separate yourself from family members who are like this.
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She sounds like she gets 5 sibling visits a week, daily calls, plus church 3 times?

How is loneliness the problem? Sounds like maybe she's cranky (or too tired) from all the activity and visits?
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During Covid I volunteered with a service called Mon Ami. They connect volunteers with seniors who are isolated and want to talk on the phone. It was really great, and after Covid my parents and I actually visited with her.

There may be similar programs for visiting or phone calls in your area. Maybe colleges nearby with geriatric programs, for intergenerational contact. Sometimes a different age group tolerates negativity better because they are just generally more cheerful. If they know it going in they won't take it personally.

Just a thought.. I wish you the best.
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Fawnby Oct 2023
AARP has a phone service like that. They are volunteers who call and chat.
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Lots of really useful answers and advice from everyone. Thanks to all!
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NeedHelpWithMom Aug 2023
Just do whatever you feel is appropriate. You know her best. Plus, your mental health is important. Don’t do anything more than you feel comfortable with.
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She may need to be evaluated for dementia. Abusive and angry over minor things is a symptom of a number of maladies, and it’s one of the first things that happens in dementia.
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