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Is it possible to have an elderly person regain their mobility and walk again? Or even sit up and turn without assistance? Has anyone ever seen this happen?
For context: my grandma is 99 and lives at home with my mother (75), who is her primary caretaker. She suffered a hip fracture a few years ago, and after hospitalization, was sent to rehab. During her 3mo rehab stay, she underwent PT and OT and was able to move around with the assistance of a walker. When she went back home, she sprained her ankle (while trying to walk) and my mother had her stay in bed for it to heal. Here's where the issue came in: my mother is not physically able to lift my grandmother (about 4'11, 110lbs) by herself (she has her own health issues), so I am the only one who is able to get her in and out of bed. The problem is that I am not at their house every day, so my grandmother was left in bed during the entire time her ankle was healing. I do remember my grandmother complaining about being in the bed but without anyone to assist her, she was just stuck there (and by that time, her in-home PT was finished). Her mobility significantly declined until she was just no longer able to walk. Now, she needs max assist for everything, including sitting up. The arthritis she has in her hands makes it even worse as she's not able to fully grip anything to feel secure enough to move around.
Since that time, I've pushed for her to get more in-home PT, but what insurance covers will never make a difference (2x/wk for 4wks or so). I believe that just as she received daily PT in the rehab that helped her walk, it can do the same to help improve her mobility now. I've looked into gait devices, but they are extremely expensive, and not practical for her living space. With work and everything else, I am unable to be at their house every day to even attempt daily PT. When I am there, and I'm not tending to other things pertaining to her, I'll massage her limbs and perform range of motion exercises. I even bought her stationary bike pedals for when we do have those opportunities—but it's not enough.
I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how I can tackle this—perhaps putting me on to something I haven't tried, or a resource I haven't looked into. I'd LOVE to have her gain some semblance of her mobility back, which would also be an immense boost to her mental health.
Thanks in advance.

I have heard from friends whose husbands had knee or hip problems that by age 80 , their DR.s claimed it was too late to have any surgery done and for it to result in it being successful. The P.T.,following such surgeries can also be grueling .
At your gr.mothers age, it may be of more consideration to mainly try and keep her comfortable , and mentally stimulated. It's a big deal that she has lived as long as she has! Try not to "over-do" yourself, or that your mom does not hurt herself over caring for your gr.mother. Your mom should be so lucky to live as long as her mother has and have someone like you who cares so much to assist!
Meanwhile -you may want to look into an AL for your grandmother , where she can get what attention she needs that's now lacking at Home.
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I am ever the optimist but at 99 I think you probably need to make another plan for her. Now I will tell you that I have seen two different examples of what you are asking in my parent’s stories. My Dad broke his hip during COVID, coded three times in surgical recovery, looked like he was dying, and somehow managed to get out of the hospital and rehab in a wheelchair and then recover his ability to walk with help at home -all at 94! Today he does not even always use his walker and he rides a stationary bike in his AL room! My mother got too weak one day to get up and use her walker and went to the hospital and rehab (also during COVID) where she refused to cooperate with the PT people. In her defense, she had a UTI, and didn’t know what she was doing. But, the difference was - he was highly motivated- she was fearful and unmotivated. He is 98 and can walk. She is 97 and is bedridden. Everyone is different - but we also need to be realistic and safe. If your grandmother is highly motivated and physically capable, then make a plan to help her get some independence back. But if she doesn’t want to or can’t- don’t push her. Doing so could have a very bad outcome.
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The rehab facility where my relative went after a stroke trained me to do the exercises at home with them. Also home health came regularly until it ran out. Family members can do as taught to help their LOs - but the truth is many won't or don't. There's also the option of the patient's paying for their own PTs and OTs. Most can't afford it. Or can they? If the patient is never going to drive again, sell their car to pay for their care. Sell their jewelry if any. Sell their house. How much is it worth to the patient to be able to walk again?

The lesson here is that we need to save money to pay for care in our old age. There are ways.
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This is not sustainable. I’m struggling to tactfully respond as I can only imagine the burden on your mom shouldering caregiving 24/7 for a bedridden loved one. I know this is hindsight, but staying in bed for such an extended period was a tremendous mistake. With an injured ankle and her age, another rehab stay may have preserved some mobility. Please, this is going drive your mom into the ground. It’s time for placement.
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Igloocar Nov 3, 2024
JeanLouise. for the most part, I agree with you. I have a question though, about the cognitive/emotional state of Sara Sophia's grandmother. . Most of us are probably thinking of a 99-year-old person who has dementia/is not connected to reality. But I don't find Sara Sophia's indicating that that's the case. I had a great-uncle who practiced law through age 99 (then he retired). Does her grandmother herself also want to improve her mobility? If so, it might be worthwhile for her to pursue more modest goals, such as being able to sit up without assistance. That her insurance (Medicare?) is willing to cover additional PT suggests that this kind of goal may be within reach.

I agree that the amount of PT prescribed is probably too low to meet any significant mobility goals. In addition, the grandmother may need occupational therapy (OT) to regain better use of her hands. However, if she makes any progress with this PT, perhaps she could then be prescribed regular outpatient PT, for which the criteria are less stringent, if it's possible to transport her to PT. I agree with others that the OP's mother--and the OP-=could learn to assist her grandmother with doing the exercises--if she makes progress. If not, the lost effort would not have been too great.

That having been said, I agree with others that the current situation is probably unsustainable. But if all involved want to do so, the initial effort to improve the OP's grandmother's mobility might be worthwhile and would not be over-demanding if not.
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Go with her to outpatient PT. Learn the exercises and help your grandma do them diligently. She will then gain more muscle, endurance, flexibility... to move better. She will definitely do better, even if she doesn't walk. As my PT said, "Movement is lubrication when it comes to arthritis."
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This question for an INDIVIDUAL (and we are all as individual as our own thumb print) is best addressed to her own doctor who knows so much more about her. At 99 we lose muscle mass, we lose tendon flexability, and most of all we lose balance. And that latter. the brain stem changes, is what tends to take us down (literally) the most. It is difficult when there has been an insult (injury) and then some time in bed, and a study long ago using soldiers who were asked to stay on bedrest for several weeks showed that it affected their ability to walk profoundly. So getting back up on her feel would take a good deal of work and management, likely through rehab or PT at this advanced age.l

I am going to ask you to speak with the doctor. You will get your best answer there as to how best to proceed for this, his/her patient know to the doc.
I can certainly wish you the very best of luck.
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SaraSophia: Your grandmother may require LTC.
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I beg your pardon. I am 75 and do not consider my self old.😂
I am 5 ft tall and being this short I have no leverage power. I can't even imagine how Mom does it. It maybe time to place grandma. At least see if she can get in home Medicaid so Mom has help.

She will never regain strength in her legs at this age. Ninety nine is old.
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First off, you never lift another person because you will get a caregiver injury.

Next, your grandmother is 99 and is likely filled with stress fractures in all of her bones.

Third, at 99, when deconditioned, you don’t get it back.

I suggest getting a hospice consult and I agree with everyone else that the focus at this point should be your mother’s health. I hope I never live to 99 and if I do I would be wondering what I did to deserve that nightmare.

Her home care is stacked against her at this point. I wish you all good luck in the coming months.
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We definitely found with my dad that a day in the hospital or in bed in general caused something like a week setback in his already slow, shuffling gait of walking. It was amazing how quickly he’d lose ground. It was the epitome of a use it or lose it situation. I’m seeing it from a distance right now with my boss’s wife who’s declining PT and rapidly losing her ability to walk. She’s in her early 70’s and has just decided her answer is ordering a wheelchair. Her desire to make it better has ended at a much younger age. Given your grandmother’s age and the time passed, I strongly suspect the time for PT is also passed. I witnessed my dad getting to a place of simply not having any further “try harder” left. We had no choice but to accept the reality. Your grandmother has to be tired, in more ways than one. It’s easy to want things for her that she’s lost the desire to achieve herself. Your mother is exhausted and needs to care for her own health and future. Please give yourself some acceptance here. I wish all of you peace
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Your Grandmother sounds like a candidate for LTC in a good facility, just like my MIL. If her doctor can assess her as needing LTC and if she applies for the financial portion, she may qualify. Medicaid then covers all her medical expenses and her SS check covers her custodial care in the facility.

In a good facility she will get all the care she needs *plus* social exposure and maybe even a change to join in on activities and events. My MIL is in such an arrangement. She is bedridden and refused PT, has mild/mod dementia and memory loss. She is getting great care at a great faith-based facility all covered by Medicaid and her SS.

Your Mom needs to have her life back and you (a loving and well-meaning grandkid) won't have to take up the slack and orbit around the 2 of them. This will burn you out and rob you of your youthful years.

My own 90+ Mom with osteoarthritis in her back demanded to go to PT for core strength and pain management. What ended up is that the young PTs inadvertently injured her because they have no concept of how much they should "push" someone that elder to work on the weight machines.

Your Grandma probabl won't relish the idea of a facility but if you and your Mom can scout out good local ones that accept Medicaid residents, take pictures to who her these places aren't like the hideos ones from "back in the day" (although some of these do still exist, unfortunately".
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cover9339 Oct 25, 2024
Oh Geaton777 Lol

All well and good, though being immobile, grandmom would be depending on the aides getting her up and ready in enough time to be able to go and/or participate in events and activities you mentioned.

If there are not enough aides and/or their busy with other residents, too bad, so sad.

Saw it happen a few times to the bedbound resident who wanted to get up to go to therapy or another activity, but there was not an available aide around so she would have to wait. She had many a tantrum with loud screaming of "help help" that would dissolve into crying and sometime the phrase "I hate this f'n place" "I want to die"
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At 99 it is a miracle in itself that she is alive. My mother recently fell again, off to the hospital, then PT, she regained a bit of mobility, not much, she is back in AL we have hospice involved now, no one see her walking better in the future, she is hardly mobile.

My mother is also 99, she just wants peace not someone fiddling with her she is basically done with this thing we call life.

We let her do whatever she wants to, keep her comfortable and wait for the inevitable.

I understand that at your age it is hard to accept the reality of "Super Aging" your grandmother is in the throws of this process as well.

Help your mother, she is old too, at 75, she will not be able to keep this caregiving routine much longer.
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The chance of a 99 year old who has been bedridden “ a few years” to regain mobility is extremely low .

She has lost much muscle mass that can not at this point be regained.

At 99 most people are not going to be happy no matter what . She’s tired , in pain from arthritis etc. She probably just wants it to end and die in peace .

You’re the one who wants grandma to walk and be happy again .

How does she get to see a doctor ? Perhaps hospice could be an option to come to the home . It would provide a nurse once a week to check her , make sure any pain is taken care of , as well as an aide would come 2-3 days a week for bathing , changing sheets . Medicare would pay for it , including incontinence supplies etc .

Does grandma have any money to pay for caregivers to come in the home ? This has to be very difficult for your mother .
If this is too difficult to manage at home , grandma could be placed in an SNF nursing home , if she does not have the funds, Medicaid would pay .

Who owns the house ? Is that why Mom isn’t placing grandma in a nursing home ?
A consultation with an eldercare attorney would be able to tell Mom if she would be able to remain living in the home , while grandma’s care was paid for by Medicaid . Medicaid rules vary by state .
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Sara, I'm curious, what does your grandmother want, she is 99 I feel like at 99 me myself would be tired of work, tired of pain, tired of it all.

I'm also thinking about your mom, she is 75 , needing to take care of her mom at 99, is your mom getting rest, eating, and getting breaks from caregiving. This is going to effect her health. I know your trying to help mom but have you talked to Mom on how she is holding up

I'll tell you what I would want, if I was 99 and in pain, no mobility, having my family doing everything for me. I wouldnt want more work. Id want hospice to come in.

I'm sorry to say this, I'm sure it's not what you want to hear. I'm sure you love Grandma, but put your feet in her shoes for a little bit, and think about what you would wish for.
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