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My husband’s mother is a narcissist and has an extreme lack of empathy for anyone or anything to a scary degree. Husband says she has always been that way but now, aging and possibly beginning of some sort of dementia has been exasperated. She has no sense what is clean or dirty, not bathing regularly or washing hands, etc. She is never happy in any way, with any subject. She lives in a home most would be very happy and wants for nothing. But, she will only speak of her needs and desires, medication, etc. she can never, ever be positive about anything, ever. she will debate anything. She cannot do the simplest task to help keep up after she or her shedding dog. She flips everything on me in every situation. I cannot walk thru my own house without being caught for hours. I feel like a stranger in my home and the mental and physical beat down after only three months is immense. My husband has just begun retirement process from a very stressful job. He has had some health concerns that she is not even yet aware of. That and other issues take precedence over trying to resolve this serious problem. Holidays have always been so
special to me. She gets great satisfaction in preventing celebrations or destroying them. Really anything important to me she tries to laugh off or criticize in some phony, passive aggressive manner. My husband seems blind to how adept she is at manipulating him, doctors or just about anyone who doesn’t spend lengthy periods of time with her. She has no
feeling at all for anything outside of herself but demands her needs met at the precise moment she wants them to be. I don’t know when I became the “caretaker and maid.” I have been walking this thin line, trying to keep husband from stressing and to keep her “happy” and cared for. I am so mentally and physically rundown, that I don’t even want to look at her. I have nowhere to find peace in the house. I feel like a prisoner in my own home at a time when we should have been able to plan to begin enjoying retirement. How in the world do you reason with someone who doesn’t care to do so? When confronted, Her answer is always, “I don’t know or No one told me.” She brags that she got thru life by saying “I don’t know” so people wouldn’t expect much of her. She just continues on her way with no regard for the way she affects our lives, marriage, house or anything else. My mother has passed. This woman is not my mother, and I have all but lost any feeling for trying to care for her. She doesn’t have enough for AL and her monthly income in this state is too much for government assistance. I adore my husband but he will not really ever stand up for me or against his mom. I am so lost and staring at the new year with no relief is incredibly daunting.

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My mother is 74, me 51... She is in a nursing home since December 2021. She is also a hardcore narcissist, lifelong of course. In Jan 2022 was named by the court her guardian, only child. Thats my resume to your question...
Narcissism causes an adult to act like a demonstrative 2 yr old, that's 20's---50's etc. Something gets broken during 1st couple yrs of development. Most mothers like this raise their children to be their slaves, doormats, etc, if you can imagine that. They see their children as extensions of themselves, existing only to serve their wants & needs. They also see their children's wives/husbands and their grandchildren just as they do their own son or daughter, as extensions only there to serve them. Weird right....
Psychologists have the hardest time getting narcissists to even come to their office. Even harder for a return visit because all narcissists are completely convinced they are fine, better than fine, all that (See Donald Trump, Madonna etc.) Real truth is their ego's (internal souls) are so fragile they created an entire world view of themselves that has nothing to do with reality you see & experience. She lit may see herself as a loving mom & mother-in-law, believe it or not. Thats what makes it a personality disorder ie psychological mess dumped in your yard to clean up endlessly.
My mother causes me & my wife of 33 yrs problems w/a phone fr a nursing home, she never quits with the demands, games etc. My mother 4me is a trigger, "THE TRIGGER!" For last 41 yrs all we have done is fight, never giving into her. Wasn't until my early 40's figured out what we were dealing with exactly: a narcissistic personality named mom.
#1: She is never going to stop, she can't... #2: You will never be able to reason with her. She couldn't see herself except thru the "Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, telling her she's the fairest one of all", in her 20's fwd. How can she with dementia and her decline? That's the real of it. Investigate narcissistic mothers via the web, tons of stuff. Reasoning with her is futile!!!!! Hoping she will eventually chill out is futile!!!!!
Not to disparage your marriage one iota, just going to say this. My mother is my mother, my wife does nothing to take care of her, it's my responsibility 100%! She doesn't even go in the nursing home, take calls nor buy her clothing etc, all that is my responsibility. All her bills, care of any sort is my duty...
If your husband wants her cared for w/minimal effort fr him, put her in a nursing home near by. Elder law attorney's can fast track such things. Her doctor can help fast track that as well. Get her on Medicaid if your state allows. Taking a toxic person w/narcissistic personality disorder into your home is going to break U or your marriage or both. That is its very design. The queen rules, U and your husband are but the court jesters as has been myself, my wife and son. My son stopped speaking to his grandmother 15 yrs ago, he is almost 33 now. Has zip to do with her, thinks I am crazy for taking care of her, even in a nursing home environment, limited contact as that is.
Hope this helps sum. Sorry your being dragged thru this hellish nightmare. My nightmare is now 51 yrs and counting. Know the drill all too well. Grew up under that constant drumbeat till I left at 17, joined Army in 1988.
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BarbBrooklyn Jan 2023
Eck, please take down your personal information. Welcome!
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If your husband's retirement and current health issues prevent his dealing with the "mama" problem, find a certified eldercare attorney on your own. Either get a free consultation or agree to pay a onetime fee of about $2-$500.

Find out as much about her financial situation as you can (social security amount, pension, assets, investments). Last year's tax return is a good place to start.

Investigate, starting with the local Area Agency on Aging, what resources are available to older adults. Adult Day Care, Senior Centers, meal assistance.

Find out what Medicaid programs exist in your state. Make sure you look at "long term care" Medicaid and "Waiver programs". Find out if Memory Care can be paid for via waivers.

Ask the AAA to come to your home to do a "needs assessment". Be there for that assessment. Correct any misinformation Mil gives.

Get MIL on every waiting list you can for low cost senior housing.

Make YOURSELF an appointment to see a licensed therapist to talk about your dysfunctional living situation. I am struck by the fact that you "adore" a husband who is at once a coward and a bully.

Stop explaining, justifying or defending your actions. Any attention you give MIL is fuel for her narcissistic tendencies. Look up Grey Rock and put it into action.

Stop providing "services" for her.

Give that all a shot and let us know how it goes. Actions speak much more loudly than words...
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The answer to your question is: You Don't.

If MIL has 'always been this way', a 'narcissist' and all the rest of it, why on earth would your husband move her into your HOME and thrust her upon YOU to care for? I'd issue the man an ultimatum: it's her or ME, buddy. If he has this little respect for you and your feelings that he'd move such a dreadful person into your home where you have no life, no privacy, and she ruins even your holidays, why are you even married to him???? Marriage needs to be based on mutual respect. Not where one person lays down the law & the other person has no choice but to say Okay Honey, No Problem, and then suffer every day of her life thereafter.

I see this as a marriage problem, not a MIL problem. A man who won't stand up for his WIFE and can't/won't say no to his momma. A wife should come first in a man's life when he says I Do. Otherwise, he Does Not and the wife loses out. How is it you don't see this?

See a lawyer or two. One who can talk to you about divorce and another who can talk to you about how to get MIL out of the house and into managed care of some kind where she can tell others "I don't know" and see how far it will get her. It's worked all these years b/c nobody's had the chutzpah to stand up to her B.S. That gig is up now, IF you or DH have the chutzpah to say it is.

Good luck.
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seekingjoy Jan 2023
I hope the original poster has the courage to take your advice
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How can you "adore" a husband that won't stand up for you? How can you even respect him? I'm curious as to the psychological twists and turns your mind has taken to get to the way you think. Once you explore that, your insight may help you understand how to move forward.

It does seem as if Bad MIL has some dementia, and it may be more than a mild stage. You can't reason with people who have dementia, and counseling might not help because her brain may lack capacity to understand. From what you tell us, that seems to be the case now.

If you have a big enough house, claim some corner of it that can be locked and go lock yourself in there at least once a day for as long as you can. One hour, two hours? Your bedroom would do. Make it clear that you're not to be disturbed because you're meditating or practicing yoga or taking a nap (but being by yourself with no activity is fine; you don't need to say that, though). And then don't come out unless she's set the house on fire.

I hope you can make a plan to help yourself and find peace in this new year.
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charlotte1 Jan 2023
My suggestion is not to lock herself into a room, but get out of the house. My husband (age 88) has similar narcissistic behaviors & moderate dementia. Our marriage has survived because, when younger i worked full time, and now i go out, to the gym, on hikes, etc. I also now go on vacations alone. When he gets really wound up I think about getting any kind of job, just to be out & about. But foremost, I don't let him place me in a victim position. When he tries, I point out to him that what he's says is abusive. That implicitly brings in the treat of legal action & he quickly backs off. I also dragged him to counselling, so he knows I have backup to any (theoretical( legal action. I

Dutifulntired, would recommend getting out by yourself as much as you can, scheduling counselling for you & your husband, and getting a dementia diagnosis from a neurologist for your MIL..
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She is bullying you. I would tell husband that I will no longer care for a senior brat with severe entitlement issues; and I will not continue on this self-destructive path of letting this woman control my entire existence! She has made you her personal slave. I knew someone years ago who had a mother in-law like this one you have just described. She ended up in a facility because of being overburdened by both husband and mother in-law. She had a nervous breakdown. This woman was extremely talented. She did illustrations for children's books and ran the family tourist home.

I would tell dear mother in-law that she has two choices: stop the bullying or look for a new place to live. I can't believe that your husband brought this burden into your life to deal with! If all else fails, send her to a nursing facility.

Heck, I'll get mad for you.
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BurntCaregiver Jan 2023
Amen to that, Scampie. I wouldn't even offer her the option of staying even if she can clean up her act and stop with the bullying.
She has to go.
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"I don’t know when I became the 'caretaker and maid.'"

The question is WHY did this happen? Why did mil move in with you? What other family members are there? Were the expectations of you laid out from the start? And, did you agree to this arrangement?

"I adore my husband but he will not really ever stand up for me or against his mom."

Then that is a big problem. Would he choose her over you? Because it may come to that. Would he go to couples counseling? The goal would be to make him see that this arrangement isn't working out and that mil has to leave, NOT to make you accept your caregiving slave situation.
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Dutiful, first off Big Warm Hug! What a rotten situation your husband has allowed to happen in your home.

Have you checked to see if your state Medicaid allows for Qualified Income Trusts aka Miller Trust?

This is how you would get her qualified for assistance. It really does require an attorney to set up but, well worth the money, MIL would be paying, of course.

You have to be honest with your husband, this kind of stress could kill you. He is ill and he would be stuck with this situation solo, if something happened to you. What would happen to his health then?

It is okay to tell him that you love him dearly but, you can't live with his mom and she needs to go. I wouldn't threaten to leave, I would say that if he feels obligated to be her 24/7 caregiver then he has to do it some place besides your home.

Have you ever stood up for yourself with the old battle ax? It is okay to tell her to wait, get it herself, leave you alone and shut her mouth or whatever you feel needs to be said. You DO NOT need to be her servant. If she can't do anything then she needs a nursing home and since she's just miserable anyways, who cares if she likes it or not.

Start today standing up for yourself and telling her no. It can't possibly be any worse for you and maybe, your husband needs to deal with her to understand what a miserable person she is.

You matter too, please do not let his health concerns destroy you by carrying the load for both him and his miserable mom.
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Just because she has too much income doesn't mean an atty can't offset some of it by creating a trust for her excess to go into. She may even have enough to self pay if you check out some facilities. If she has too much in bank accounts or other assets, that would have to be spent down before she would qualify for assistance to pay for facility care.

With all that said, would your husband even consider placement? If not, you and he can talk about hiring some help with her 'too much' money to help YOU. You clearly are at a breaking point dealing with someone else's mother - he/she need to participate in a plan to allow others to handle some of the chores you do for her. If he's dead set against that, too, then make a chore list and assign things to him. Tell him you want and need help.
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LakeErie Jan 2023
Trusts are not mechanisms for defrauding taxpayers who have their own parents to care for. Her money should be spent on her care, period and not hidden for convenience. When it’s all gone, Medicaid takes over.
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I feel your pain. My mother-in-law who is 91 years old, lived with us for an excruciating two years. Finally, my husband defended me to his mom and told her she could not eat in the bedroom if she was going to argue with me about the mess. Thank you Jesus, said she wanted to move out. “But I love him so much!”she cried, “but it would be better if we were apart.” my husband recognize the issues because I expressed them to him from the beginning how his mom was manipulating me and him how she was demanding that I do things and treating me like her servant he just didn’t have the nerve to stand up to her, or the realization that we could find the money to get her moved somewhere else. A place for mom was instrumental in helping me find something affordable, and got me assistance with financial aid from the VA. Even after I told him we’ve got the money sorted out he was still afraid to tell her that she was moving out. I told him that I would move into the place and he and she could leave her alone. That’s when he went talk to her and today is my first day alone in my own house.
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I highly recommend marriage counseling to 1) help you understand why you’re content with your husband not prioritizing you or standing up for you, and 2) help your husband understand why he’s afraid of his mother and let’s her rule his home. The fact of this situation is that none of you are happy with her living there, including MIL. The ball is in your husband’s court to change this unhealthy dynamic. MIL is NOT changing, except to worsen, her patterns are long established. Please realize and know deeply that you matter, you have value, and deserve to live in a peaceful home. Time to tell husband this cannot go on any longer, and mean it
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