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Your profile mentions caring for someone with dementia, unfortunately many people with dementia can not recognize that they need 24/7 care. The person's medical proxy has the authority to determine what kind of care is appropriate, working with their financial POA to choose something that is affordable.
That is true cwillie. It is also true that elderly people who are coping just fine are deprived of their liberty every day for no other reason than being old and an inconvenience to their families. Their POA decides and if they decide that a care facility for the elder make their life easier, then it's off to a care facility. Of course many elders genuinely need care facility placement for their own safety and have to be placed against their will in a care home. Many times they don't need to be placed and their families just want to get them out of the way and done. This happens all the time.
You don't give much to go on. Your profile says that you were the caregiver for 7.5 years for a woman with dementia. I'm assuming your profile and post are about the same person. I myself have been in homecare over 20 years and have seen many times situations exactly like this. The answer to your question is 'yes'. An elderly person can be forcibly removed from their home under heavy sedation and transported to a care home. If their POA or conservator wants them removed because they either have dementia or even if they don't and are just old and the family doesn't want the responsibility of having to do for them at all. A recommendation from an over-zealous visiting nurse or social worker on their case can get that ball rolling too if they are of the personal opinion that a care facility would be best. I worked for a lady who had mild dementia but did just fine. Her son lived upstairs from her and stayed at night. She had help during the day. She didn't wander or try to cook or do anything like that. She pretty much just chilled during the day watching tv, took a nap in the afternoon, and by the time she'd get up her son would be home from work. Well, one day they accepted some "free" services (homecare) for her from the "state" (Medicaid). Now nurses and social workers started coming in and out. It was decided that her apartment wasn't safe and if extensive renovation wasn't done and 24-hour care wasn't brought in by a certain date, she'd be removed from the home and put in a care home. I worked there for two years and her place was fine. It was safe and clean and she did just fine. The "professionals" who weren't there every day like her son and I were said otherwise. Her other son that had the POA and his wife wanted her in a facility. So it was off to a facility for her. Against her will and against the will of her son who lived in the same house as his mother and actually took care of her. So yes, this situation can happen and does.
There comes a time when paying for care is no longer feasible, the money just isn't there. The POA no longer wants to deal with hiring caregivers. Or the client has got beyond what a CNA can do. The client can no longer make informed decisions concerning their care. Its no longer what they want, but what they need. Its really what the family needs too, no longer needing to worry about Mom/Dad. Knowing he/she is safe and being cared for.
See, you do your shift and go home. Family members don't have that luxury. Some work all day and then need to deal with a parents care in their home or parents home. No time for themselves or their families.
Hi joanne thank u for the input, me and my wife work in there 24/7 , shes a millionaire and can afford to live in the comfort of her own home , although she had mild dementia she is very certain of what she wants ,what she needs and what she likes . For hundreds of times , she said No , i want ti stay here in my home , im too old for changes , i dnt like to move. Then inpatience of the son , authorize to the nurse to proceed to the plan ,deceived that it was a blood pressure pill , she took ativan and one more narcotic pill i forgot the name , and when sedated , a private ambulance get her into a stretcher and transport .
1. Who forced her out of her home, what was that individual's relationship to her, and how was she "forced", i.e., physically removed by someone, by law enforcement, etc.?
2. Who administered the sedation? And who determined that it was "heavy"?
3. Who is paying for her to be in the care home? Was she getting Medicaid before this abduction took place?
4. Is family involved in this, and do they have access to her funds?
"Then inpatience of the son , authorize to the nurse to proceed to the plan ,deceived that it was a blood pressure pill , she took ativan and one more narcotic pill i forgot the name , and when sedated , a private ambulance get her into a stretcher and transport ."
1. I may have missed it, but under what authority did the son authorize a nurse to proceed to what plan? Who created the plan? Was the nurse a private nurse or working for an agency?
If what you write is true, the nurse could be a participant in the more or less abduction, and could possibly lose her license for participation. I'm also finding it hard to believe a nurse would deliberately substitute one medicine for another.
2. What documentation do you have that Ativan and a narcotic were administered under the guise of a BP pill? Did you see this pill for yourself?
3. Who ordered and paid for the private ambulance?
There has to be documentation for all these claims, especially the substitution of Ativan and a narcotic.
I'm also curious how you learned about the substitution, the private ambulance, etc.
You make a lot of allegations, and could be considered to be engaging in libel if you can't back them up. I'd be very careful about making these kinds of allegations.
Also, if I may be so bold, is your concern that this woman has been more or less abducted and will be maltreated? Was your employment terminated?
I'm not making accusations, but I am very, very puzzled how you obtained this information and what means of verification exists.
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
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APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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Of course many elders genuinely need care facility placement for their own safety and have to be placed against their will in a care home. Many times they don't need to be placed and their families just want to get them out of the way and done. This happens all the time.
I myself have been in homecare over 20 years and have seen many times situations exactly like this.
The answer to your question is 'yes'. An elderly person can be forcibly removed from their home under heavy sedation and transported to a care home. If their POA or conservator wants them removed because they either have dementia or even if they don't and are just old and the family doesn't want the responsibility of having to do for them at all. A recommendation from an over-zealous visiting nurse or social worker on their case can get that ball rolling too if they are of the personal opinion that a care facility would be best.
I worked for a lady who had mild dementia but did just fine. Her son lived upstairs from her and stayed at night. She had help during the day. She didn't wander or try to cook or do anything like that. She pretty much just chilled during the day watching tv, took a nap in the afternoon, and by the time she'd get up her son would be home from work.
Well, one day they accepted some "free" services (homecare) for her from the "state" (Medicaid). Now nurses and social workers started coming in and out. It was decided that her apartment wasn't safe and if extensive renovation wasn't done and 24-hour care wasn't brought in by a certain date, she'd be removed from the home and put in a care home. I worked there for two years and her place was fine. It was safe and clean and she did just fine. The "professionals" who weren't there every day like her son and I were said otherwise. Her other son that had the POA and his wife wanted her in a facility. So it was off to a facility for her. Against her will and against the will of her son who lived in the same house as his mother and actually took care of her. So yes, this situation can happen and does.
See, you do your shift and go home. Family members don't have that luxury. Some work all day and then need to deal with a parents care in their home or parents home. No time for themselves or their families.
So no its not illegal.
1. Who forced her out of her home, what was that individual's relationship to her, and how was she "forced", i.e., physically removed by someone, by law enforcement, etc.?
2. Who administered the sedation? And who determined that it was "heavy"?
3. Who is paying for her to be in the care home? Was she getting Medicaid before this abduction took place?
4. Is family involved in this, and do they have access to her funds?
"Then inpatience of the son , authorize to the nurse to proceed to the plan ,deceived that it was a blood pressure pill , she took ativan and one more narcotic pill i forgot the name , and when sedated , a private ambulance get her into a stretcher and transport ."
1. I may have missed it, but under what authority did the son authorize a nurse to proceed to what plan? Who created the plan? Was the nurse a private nurse or working for an agency?
If what you write is true, the nurse could be a participant in the more or less abduction, and could possibly lose her license for participation. I'm also finding it hard to believe a nurse would deliberately substitute one medicine for another.
2. What documentation do you have that Ativan and a narcotic were administered under the guise of a BP pill? Did you see this pill for yourself?
3. Who ordered and paid for the private ambulance?
There has to be documentation for all these claims, especially the substitution of Ativan and a narcotic.
I'm also curious how you learned about the substitution, the private ambulance, etc.
You make a lot of allegations, and could be considered to be engaging in libel if you can't back them up. I'd be very careful about making these kinds of allegations.
Also, if I may be so bold, is your concern that this woman has been more or less abducted and will be maltreated? Was your employment terminated?
I'm not making accusations, but I am very, very puzzled how you obtained this information and what means of verification exists.
I agree that if they have money for home care and are willing to have them help, and their home is a safe place, then home care is fine.
Some have other situations that require a care home.
Can you give more info. Thanks. Big hug.