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My Grandmother pays rent to my Mother for cottage she lives in on her property. They reside in the state of Montana and I reside in California, want to find out before I travel for the visit.
Has your mother given you an indication that she would block the visit to your grandmother? If so, how did it come up and how did she word it. Did she indicate that your grandmother is too ill to enjoy company? Are you and your mother not on good terms?
Sorry for all the questions. The short answer is yes, if she feels you are trespassing, she could bar you from entering the property. But the big question is, why would she and why would you think she would?
Any landowner can restrict access to their property for any reason. So you need permission and you should limit your conversations to the weather and Mothers Day. Keep it pleasant and upbeat. If you were to mention death and taxes, she should immediately escort you out. If you ask about a Will or being given anything after she dies, you should also be soundly paddled.
I see no problem on charging a parent rent if they have money to do so. It may be property she rented previously to offset the upkeep on her property. Not everyone has the money to take care of a parent longterm. If the parent can contribute why not.
CM, Montana landlords have certain rights regarding "unauthorized pets or guests" and a two-unit owner occupant is exempt from discrimination laws. In Montana, if the landlord has a reasonable suspicion that a visitor will "damage or remove" something, they can keep them out. Now a visitor does not stay overnight---so the visiting sibling cannot stay there without landlord permission. That rule holds true for subsidized housing as well. A HUD public housing authority has to approve/disapprove any visitor, and has to limit the number of days they stay, plus add up "visitor days" and limit a tenant to 30 visit-days per year.
My first thought that came to mind was, why is mom asking rent from your grandmother? (That's the old fashioned Italian in me though!) And yes, a landlord can indicate that only 1 person be allowed in the dwelling IF there is a contract signed. But but but --- why would she not allow you to visit? For me, I can see a mother charging rent to her adult child, but the other way around? Ehhh... that's just me though. *shrugs*
Since your gram is legally a tenant -- by virtue of her paying rent -- LEGALLY your mother cannot stop your access to your gram. HOWEVER, unless mom is a psychopath, there's likely a good reason she's limiting your contact. And the legality has little to do with the reality.
I think it's rare that a landlord would totally restrict guests, but some leases, rental agreements, or rules and regulations will require you to register any overnight guest. Depends on and if there is a contract. I have heard of that sort of thing, but usually when it's like an apartment being shared and a bedroom is rented. Not for a separate dwelling. But the real question is: "WHY" would she restrict guests, especially to see her own grandmother....?
A peaceful approach to the entire situation would probably be beneficial. Good luck...
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
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Sorry for all the questions. The short answer is yes, if she feels you are trespassing, she could bar you from entering the property. But the big question is, why would she and why would you think she would?
So you need permission and you should limit your conversations to the weather and Mothers Day. Keep it pleasant and upbeat.
If you were to mention death and taxes, she should immediately escort you out. If you ask about a Will or being given anything after she dies, you should also be soundly paddled.
Now a visitor does not stay overnight---so the visiting sibling cannot stay there without landlord permission.
That rule holds true for subsidized housing as well. A HUD public housing authority has to approve/disapprove any visitor, and has to limit the number of days they stay, plus add up "visitor days" and limit a tenant to 30 visit-days per year.
Make peace with mom.
A peaceful approach to the entire situation would probably be beneficial. Good luck...