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First and last, whatever you decide is fine.

Having said that, there are things to consider. JUST MY OPINION.

Your sister sounds like mine, and do you want it bruited about that you "disappeared" at the last moments? She will say she had to "do everything. "

More importantly, you know what your dad wants or will want as the end comes. He may look for you and you may have regrets you were not there.

But, as I typed before, this is your decision Good luck and I will hope for you.
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Coloradoproud, I'd be very careful in reviewing other folks' opinions here. . . realize that they are opinions only. There isn't a 'right or wrong' answer to your dilemma. It's your decision ALONE to make. Search your heart, and then OWN your decision. I think that way, you might at least minimize possible regrets. Oh--do NOT listen to your older sister, AT ALL. That bit of advice I can offer because I have an 'older sister' like yours. Finally, it is time you are at peace,
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I would be there anyway. You don’t regrets down the road and I think you should be with your father. They can still hear to the last breath. You should be there.
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worriedinCali Dec 2019
What if the OP regrets being there? What if they can’t handle the trauma of watching their father take his last breathes?
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I’m sorry to hear about your impending loss and family complications. None of this is easy on the heart! Hospice should be able to make determinations on when he’s close to passing, based on the condition of his body and skin. I would recommend communicating your wish to not be present with the staff so that they can keep you informed.
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My dad was in a nursing home with hospice care in his final 10 days. He never opened his eyes but was very restless. My mom, sister and I would spend most days by his side. Friends would stop by to visit us and him. I would go very early in the morning so I could be alone with him to tell him that we would be fine and that he could go. We were all there late on a Saturday night and then we had a sitter come in. He passed after we all left. In some ways, I'm sad I wasn't there but I think that's probably how he wanted it. I don't really feel guilty because there was so much that I did do for my dad. I know he loved and appreciated me for doing it. All I can say is say your goodbye when you can and try to be at peace with your decision. Sending you best wishes.
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Davenport Dec 2019
blessedtep, I am glad you don't feel guilty, and know that your your dad knew all you'd done for him, and your love for him.
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You have received many wide and varied views on being there or not being there, but only you know the true answer, and should honor your own wishes.

I believe that you should take a few moments with your Dad when he is lucid and tell him how much you love him and tell him that if you are not there at his passing, that it is OK, and that you will be alright, and that it is OK for him to let go.

Don't let any part of your feelings on the matter be guided or guilted by anyone else, they are your feelings and yours alone, and are perfectly normal and understandable. Your Dad knows you have been there all along in his journey and he understands exactly how you feel, you are his daughter after all, they do know these things. Hopefully your sister will now step up to the plate and have her own special moments with her Dad, you have done your fair share., and your Dad knows.

I pray that his transition is swift and peaceful, and do know that you have been an Amazing Caregiver to him. Love and Peace to you and your family during this difficult time.
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I am so sorry with what you are going through and experienced the same when I brought my mom home to my house when she was placed in hospice. Hopefully my reply doesn't make anyone upset but my take is a little different. I am one of 4 adult children (the youngest) and the others elected not to be present when we were given the final day notice for our dear mother. They knew I would be there and would handle everything. Being alone with her was traumatic for me as I was emotional and exhausted. I was responsible for providing meds on time and various procedures while praying I was doing everything right to make her final days special (playing hymns, trying to stay awake and talk to her so she knew she wasn't alone). I was then left alone to handle funeral arrangements, write the obituary etc. It took me three trips to the funeral home as it was very difficult and we were very close. My dad passed when I was 10 years old. They knew how difficult this would be and I found it selfish for them to leave me with everything especially knowing I would struggle and knowing what all mom had sacrificed for them. While everyone has the right to elect their own path and grieve in their way, I was angered that I had no support during this time. And if I had taken that path, she would not have had anyone and she certainly deserved all of the kids pulling together one last time to be there for her as she was a wonderful, giving mother to each of us. Two of my siblings reached out after regretting that they weren't there and said they should have been but I have had no communication with one brother but pray we will have peace again one day. So I have learned that we have to respect others decisions and my vision of a family surrounding a loved one in unity as what should happen at that time wasn't going to be and isn't always the case. I wish you peace with your decision.
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dont be there and dont feel guilty- you have been helping your dad all these years- it is not important to watch him take his last breath- remember the good times and you having a good life is I am sure all your dad would want from you. Take care I know it can be tough - my husband went through this with his dad-
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Thank you Sally for explaining this. I was so grateful to everyone in hospice care when my brother was dying. He received excellent care from the nurses, social worker and clergy and they were a great comfort to our family. Thank you for all of your support.
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NeedHelpWithMom Dec 2019
Sally,

Everyone says goodbye in their own ways. The social worker explained that to us. I was the very last person with my brother before he died. He died the second that I left his room.

His social worker told me that he was not afraid to die and was extremely independent and most likely did not want anyone around when he died. I totally respect what she had to say.

I feel absolute no guilt not being there to see him take his last breath. He would not have wanted that.
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You should be by your dad's side when he passes. It is important and honorble
to do. Despite your differences with him or your sister. You won't see him again
after this. Be there for his transition.
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NeedHelpWithMom Dec 2019
No, she should do what is right for her and not feel guilty about it. If others choose something different for themselves because it’s the right choice for them, so be it. That’s great if they feel it’s good for them.

She has the right to do what she feels is best for her regardless of what others think. She has been there as the caregiver. Her dad knows that. Everyone has a limit to what they can do.
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Becky,

Good advice. I never had a problem standing up to my brothers. I stood up, said what I had to say then forgot about it. I discontinued my relationship with them.

My opinion never made any difference to them. I didn’t even expect that it would. They aren’t the type to be real men who are capable of apologizing or saying they are wrong about anything.

With the help from a good therapist I reached a point where I no longer needed an apology from them to validate to myself who I was. I sincerely no longer care what they feel or believe. It’s a huge relief.
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After your Father has passed, make sure your sister knows that her POA is no longer valid. If she is also the Executor, that is not valid until the Court appoints her. So, she will have to work with the rest of the family on all of the details.

i only mention this because I feel like you will feel better if you stand up to her. You have enough grief right now, take some control where you can.

As the sister of someone who sounds an awful lot like your sister, I am giving you the biggest internet hug I possibly can.
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Davenport Dec 2019
Thank you, Becky. I didn't know that the appointed Executor ceases to be so after a person passes. Do you know if that is state-specific? I also have the 'older sister' control freak. I've never gone toe-to-toe with her on anything, but I'm wondering if I should consult with an attorney, just in case? (That's a rhetorical question, directed to myself, really.)
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I second all of those who encouraged you to take advantage of hospice services. I am a direct care hospice volunteer and am on a team that specifically does vigils. Our team does two hour shifts 24/7 when a family member cannot be with their loved one, but does not want them to be alone. You should not feel guilty in the least if you cannot or do not want to be there when your father passes, particularly given the situation with your sister. Some of us are meant to do this, but most people are not. That does not mean anything is wrong with those who can't. We're just different. Hospice is meant to be there for you as well as your father. Explain the situation to them and I'm sure they can provide guidance to you. Best wishes to you.
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disgustedtoo Dec 2019
Awesome advice! I would also say that if/when he is in one of his more lucid moments, that is the time I would want to share with him, express your love and care when he can most appreciate it and you build a positive memory with it as well. Then when sister arrives, make yourself scarce.
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Hospice literature suggests that the dying person kind of "picks a time" to pass and may or may not want someone to be there. Be with him when you can be, reassure him that he "did a good job," and that all of you will manage OK, and that you love him. Whether your sister is with him or not is up to her. None of us can control when a person passes. They will do so when they are ready.
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SallyB Dec 2019
This is so very true. Those on our vigil team have a saying: "The right person was in the room when the patient died." I often take the 6-8 am shift, with the family due to arrive at 8 am. More than once, the patient has been completely unresponsive during my shift, but I can see perks up when adult child arrives at 8 am and I later learn died within 20 minutes. The patient saved all their energy so that their child could be with them when they died. Other times, they have died in my presence (which we consider to be an honor) shortly before family is due to arrive. My own personal experience witnessing the deaths of my father, mother, then twin sister were that they clearly chose who was in the room at the time they died.
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im curious why your sister has POA? Is it Medical POA? Why would she live so far, then?
Anyway, I wish you well on whatever decision you make. I believe that because you mentioned your sister and there are more layers to the problem, that making that decision is up to you. To that end, if you feel close and want to be there for your dad's transition, I think that is priority over whatever you and your sister are going through.
Ggood luck and heartfelt thoughts.
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As long as you have talked to him and let him know that you will be ok and that it is ok to let go. I was there when my dad passed and the look on his face was content, and full of understanding like he was seeing something fantastic that I could not see. I will never forget this, am glad I witnessed it because it makes me wonder and not fear death so much. My mom was on hospice and in and out of end of life symptoms for 19 months so I had talked to her and reassured her many times that I would be ok. She waited until I left the room to get her medicine then she passed peacefully with my husband in the room with her. Everyone is different and every situation different. You must do what you feel you can handle at that time and that will be ok.
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This thread has been very good for me, and timely. My mom transitioned on December 13, Friday, although I'm sure she left on the Thursday the 12th, shortly after I left the nursing home. She was 90-1/2 with vascular dementia.

Within a month before she died she said a few things about dying. She said, "I wish I could talk about my death but I don't want to hear it." During her last hospitalization (two weeks before she died), she told me she was afraid. I asked her what she was afraid of. She said, "Of dying. But just shut up about it!" I have audio recording of that.

I was her legal guardian for the last 15 months of her life. So I was the most prominent figure in her life. She hated that place. She said to my brother and me on two different occasions, "This place is driving me nuts."

I spent Thursday afternoon lying in bed with her. She was no longer talking for the prior three days but she was somewhat responsive to me. The hospice chaplain paid a visit on Thursday. He sat on one side of my mom, and I was lying next to her on the other side. He asked me if I planned on being with her when she transitioned. I told him I hoped that would be the case but if not, I'm happy that I've been with her, lying next to her during this week, and I will be ok if I'm not here for her last breath. That afternoon was the first time I openly talked about death with anyone in front of my mom. After all -- she told me a week before that she was afraid of dying.

The chaplain came in dressed in Santa garb. He read a poem to us called, "I'm Spending Christmas With Jesus This Year". I didn't know at the time that this is actually a recorded song. My mom was an atheist. Earlier in the afternoon I read my mom a poem called "Holding On". The poem was written by my x-husband's close friend, after my x died. I read it to her on the 12th. Her death is recorded as Friday the 13th. I read the poem again after I got the call at 7:30 a.m. The date the poem was penned was December 13 (2017).

I spent six hours in my mom's bed that afternoon, stroking her hair and head, and I gave her a facial massage with lotion. I said very little. I left to go to the toilet. When I came back she had a strange smile on her face. Kind of scary, really. Almost like a caricature of my mom. Then I realized that her top denture had slipped down. I removed her teeth. A little while later she opened her eyes, for the first time in three days. Looking straight ahead, trying to keep them open, and moving her mouth. There was a tear in her right eye. In retrospect, the slipping teeth and her eyes opening should have told me that "death was imminent". I recorded this on my phone.

When it was time to leave, I hugged her with my cheek to her cheek, for a long time. I told her I would see her tomorrow. I believe that that was her transition. And I was there.

I believe that no one checked on her until change of shift the next morning.

I am comfortable with her passing and confident that I WAS with her, and especially glad that she is finally out of the nursing home that she hated.
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rhonda368 Dec 2019
I would love to read the poem if you don’t mind sharing it. I wasn’t with my Dad when he passed, but I pray that I will be there for my Mom. God bless you and your family during this hard time.
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Trust your instincts and do what you feel is right. Wishing you peace.
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Coloradoproud--

Make sure your dad knows YOU are OK with him leaving. I know we all got together and had family prayer and told dad 'you can leave us, we will be fine'. He hung on about an hour longer and passed between one breath and another.

For me, this was VERY spiritual. But it was my daddy. I could handle it. I was happy for him.
AND, he waited until 45 minutes in the New Year, 15 years ago. He so did not want to 'ruin' the holidays---and he most assuredly did not.

There is no handbook on the 'etiquette' surrounding the very personal experience that is death. You do what makes you comfortable and try to keep out of sister's way.

Please get yourself checked out. Those symptoms are more than stress, I think. Just to be on the safe side.
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I was a full-time hands-on caregiver and was there every minute till the end. It is very difficult. All the other things you said are irrelevant. For the sake of the ill person and that's who you should be focused on, it is up to you whether you can provide comforting words and measures to ease the passage. Only you know whether you can handle it.
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Coloradoproud...I totally understand your situation.  I have a brother I don't get along with.  I stayed with my mom for 13 days and nights while she was in hospice in a hospital.  No one from my family wanted to be with her when she passed.  I was scared, too, to be honest, but I would not leave her side.  She was my best friend, let alone my mom.  I thank the Lord every single day that I was with her when she passed.  It was peaceful...I sang to her, told her she was going to a beautiful place, brushed her hair off her face, kissed her head and she had tears coming out of both eyes.  She then took her last breath.  I would have never forgiven myself if I weren't there. 

However, the choice is always yours.  If you don't feel comfortable being there (for whatever reason), that is your choice and nobody can fault you for that.  You do what is right for you.

I'll be thinking of you and praying for you and your father.  I'm here if you need to talk.
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You’ve already gotten some good advice. You can’t really predict the time. However, as others have said, your dad may be hanging on because of you. So go take that shower, do some things that remind you of “normal,” and live life. I don’t know that o would just bolt out of there when your sister got there. But if you’ve been there most of the time, she may appreciate some time alone with your dad.

i would suggest making your words as you leave each time words of affirmation. Anyone who has been a long-term caregiver knows there’sa certain sense of feeling like your life is on a really long “pause.” And you are more than ready to think about living and health and all those things that truly are important. But I also know that when that time When your dad is gone, and you think back comes about what you said when you left, you want to know in your heart that you said words that you would want said to you by those who care for you.
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Just do what feels right for you. It is intensely personal. Just because something is right for others doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right for you. So do not feel guilty if it isn’t right for you.

I visited my dad constantly in the hospital but he died in the wee hours of the morning when I wasn’t there. He knew that I loved him. He didn’t need me there.

I hate to compare animals to humans but I stayed with my cat and my schnauzer because I wanted to be with them. I absolutely couldn’t be there with my greyhound. It would have destroyed me. I don’t feel guilty. I adored that dog and he was well aware that I loved him. All of my animals knew that I loved them.

So as I said, do what you need for yourself and if anyone criticizes you they are heartless.
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Zelda53 Dec 2019
I held hospice for two of my cats at different times. That experience taught me lots about death, so many years ago. They were both 13 years old at death. The second one dragged herself to my bed in the morning. I had placed her on the couch the night before, with a rolled towel under her neck and a blanket. She was in my bed the night before, moving around uncomfortably. I knew I would not get any sleep so I moved her to the couch. Well, she made her way to my bed the next morning, talking to me from the floor. I brought her to my bed where she died next to me. I stroked her back and she raised her head and hissed. I interrupted her transition.

We can learn from animals. Death is death.
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He may be hanging on because you have been there. It's OK to leave and let him go. Any medical clinician will tell you the sick and dying hang on when their loved ones are there and sometimes it's best to go home, shower and rest and let them go. Don't feel bad. I know some of the other people here feel it's important to be there as they slip away, but that is not for everyone.
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NeedHelpWithMom Dec 2019
I agree. There are too many instances where as soon as a person leaves the room their loved one dies. It happened to me. I was the last person with my brother before he died.

The second I walked out of the room my brother died. I have seen the opposite happen too. They will hang on to see someone before going. My brother waited for his children to arrive before he died.

People know who have loved and cared for them. They don’t have to have someone there to die. If they are very independent they may rather be alone.

I spoke to the social worker about this in my brother’s hospice facility. She told me that my brother was not afraid to die. She said that her grandma was afraid to die and didn’t have any faith so her grandma asked her to remain with her and she did. So it depends on the circumstances.
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I was there for the last breath of both my parents. Dad was almost six years ago, and Mom was just last month. It might be difficult, but I wouldn’t have missed holding their hand and stroking their hair and telling them how much I love them, and that it’s okay during their last moments. I know that they knew I was there.
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I chose to be present as my mom took her last breathe.Family and friends will try to persuade you what you should do but only you know what is best for you.Life is about choices.Tell your dad you love him and how much you appreciate all that he did for you.

Let him know it's ok for him to go be with your mom and that you'll be ok.Prayers to you and your family.
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I would let the sister do it especially since she has POA and probably hasn't been there to help much. Your father knows you love him so don't worry about that. My mom past away I was there for part of the time but couldn't stay. I told her I'd be alright & I love her and she can transition. The next morning she passed away. I used to feel guilty about not staying but I know she understood and knew I loved her as I was not only her daughter but caregiver.
I do not have any regrets.
I'm now taking care of my father who is 95 I haven't decided how to handle that yet but I know I will seek out my minister and church family for help. My brother is his POA & finally gets it after years of trying to see how my father is so I will probably let him stay as soon as he gets in town for the final moments.
Do know your father loves you and he will understand and that's all that matters.
I'm a Deacon and am praying for you and your family.
Please reach out to me as I feel your pain!, if you like. ahenley787@gmail.com.
As people have said they do wait for you to leave. My dad was with his brother all day and when he left to go to the store my Uncle passed. When you get home play some music, do something you both enjoyed., get a massage just don't mope around the house he wouldn't want that for you.
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Zelda53 Dec 2019
I am in the semi-moping phase, but I am also tying up the ends as I was my mom's legal guardian. Today is two weeks since she left. I wore her necklace for the last six months. It's a silver chain with a silver cursive T, for "Teddy". For two days before she died I asked myself if I should remove the chain. Why? Maybe my wearing that chain was prolonging her stay here on earth? I don't know. What I do know, is that she would want me to get on with my life right now. I definitely need a massage...
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If you don't want or can't handle, to see their last breath....then don't. It sounds like you've done all you can, as he slowly declined.

They call this, the 'slow death'. Watching your parent, decline mentally & physically is brutal.

Someone said it here, that your parent will wait until family is not present, to pass.

Our family watched, as my Dad hung on for 6 days w/o food, water or medicine (he lived in an Adult Family Home, who took exceptional care of him). Family was there every day. He passed at 5am, when only staff was there. He passed away 2 weeks ago.

Do what's best for you. Your sibling dynamic sounds brutal too.

When your sister get there.....split. You've done all can.

My best to you, my friend.
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Wow....how this fits with what i just went through. However, the sibling part was not the same. We had both poa and worked together. But i can say that everyone is different when it comes to that kind of situation. You do what is best for you!...my heart goes out to you and your family.
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coloradoproud Dec 2019
Thank you for your feedback.
sorry to hear you had a similar situation. You are fortunate the two of you could work together. We can't believe he is still hanging on bc he hasnt had any solid food for two months and it's been two weeks without milk shakes and several days now without any fluids. Considering he used to say things like if he had a gun he would shoot himself or put a plastic bag over his head, he sure is hanging on. I cant bear to see him wither away any longer so i wont be there when he passes.
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It’s been studied and I’ve witnessed this myself- sometimes the dying actually wait for you to leave before passing alone OR they sometimes prolong their own lives waiting for certain people to be near them before they pass. Take comfort knowing that not everything is up to us to decide.
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cat8person Dec 2019
This happened to me. While my dad was dying, I sat with him all day, stayed in his room overnight, and was with him all the next day until the hospice nurse came late in the afternoon. While I was out of the room taking a shower, he passed away. I think he somehow waited until I wasn't around. I would have wanted to be there, as I had been for my mom, but I think it was how he wanted it.
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