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My mother has been living with my husband and I going on 5 years now. In that time period she has had 2 strokes, which fortunately didn’t cause any issues with her limbs but did a little cognitive damage. She has had a heart attack, pneumonia, numerous UTI’s to the point her urologist put a catheter in. Many hospital stays due to dehydration. Last year she had C. Diff twice. We’ve done skilled nursing to get her stronger, home health care, asked her to drink more water, walk around some. With all of that going on, we have included her in every family event, birthdays, holidays and vacations.


We have made reservations to go the the beach for a week, which I have not shared with her. My husband and daughter don’t want her to go, because they want a real vacation. Not one that consist of “catering” to her many needs. She can’t get in the pool, she can’t walk on solid ground much less sand. My husband doesn’t want to be in charge of the wheelchair to push her around on the beach. I have given up all of my interest because when we plan to do something she literally gets sick or falls down and we are at the ER. I try not to think it’s on purpose but it does at times feel that way. All she does all day is sit in her room watching tv, playing on her phone or sleeping. When she does come downstairs with me she wants to talk about the past with my dad (they have been divorced for over 40 years and it was an abusive relationship). When I tell her I’m not going to talk about that stuff, She tells her sister and my siblings on the phone that she has to watch what she says cause I’m just so put out with her. Tells them how tense things are. I have lost it with her when she pulls her toenails off and bleeds everywhere as she is on a blood thinner and is anemic. 😡She literally only comes downstairs twice a day if that.


I know I deserve a trip without the responsibility of all that is her. But I know I will have all the passive aggressive or guilt comments when I get back. Or my sister and her sister will have something to say yet they have been of no help in the 5 years I’ve had her. We tried to put her in AL but she just doesn’t have the money for that. Which by the was 6 months ago and I still get to hear about how that made her feel. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I don’t know what I’m asking for...guess I just needed to vent in a safe place. 😓

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Also, talk to doctors, aging professionals, Office on Aging, etc. Often there are solutions that don't cost a ton of money for a week. You just have to find the solution and possibly someone from a church might take a one week caretaker job. It can be done. Good luck.
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If you do NOT stop allowing this woman and the family to complain that YOU are not doing right by her, I'll come and beat them up myself (I can't walk but I'd love to do that.). They don't give a dam as long as it does not interfere with their lives. I understand the money situation. Try to find an outside caretaker to live with her for one week OR BRING HER TO ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS FOR THE WEEK. No matter what anyone says, YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND MUST GO ON THE WEEK'S VACATION ALONE - It would be miserable if you take her an why should you? You must stand up and be tough and if they don't leave you alone, and they may not, tell them you will "officially" remove her from your life and do something with her and you will do the same to them if they don't leave you in peace. You are a saint and they are mean and selfish - all of them. Do not let them get away with this - no matter what they do or say.
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RedVanAnnie Jan 2020
You'll beat them up yourself! Too funny. But you are SOOOO right that KimmieK needs to go on her own Florida vacation with no mom no caretaking and no guilt!
You write some good comments on this forum. Are you homebound being unable to walk or do you have some accommodations that facilitate your getting out and about?
(Or perhaps it is none of my business. My own mother was unable to walk so I grew up in a family where making special arrangements was the Norm.)
Cheers.
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Did you take your vacation. I certainly hope so. Many assisted living facilities offer respite care for families. I would take advantage of that if you can.
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Better yet - go on a cruise where no one is able to contact you!
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Take the Vacation and don't feel guilty no matter what anyone says. You deserve a break and it sounds like your Husband and Daughter know that. Mom can have a respite care worker come in for a week and you can relax for a bit. You say she has a bit of cognitive trouble but no physical trouble. Have you considered telling her you need a break but will be back? And stop letting your sisters live their lives without stepping in to help you from time to time. They owe their Mother and Sister that much consideration. I hope you take the vacation and have a great time.
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NeedHelpWithMom Jan 2020
There are people that just aren’t going to help, no matter how many times they are asked to help, even if nothing prevents them from not helping. Not everyone can rely on siblings. Some siblings are helpful but most of the time caregiving falls on one child.

Nevertheless, I agree that she should enjoy her vacation!
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Kimmie, so what did you decide to do about your family vacation? Did you go yet? Did you put Mom in respite care? Did you hire at home caregiver? Let us know the update! Anxiously awaiting the outcome of how it went & what was your decision! Hugs 🤗
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KimmieK Jan 2020
our trip is planned for May during my husbands birthday. I am presently working with a company to get the rates for the week of in home and one week of respite in ASL. After what has transpired in the last couple of weeks I am no longer feeling guilty for not taking her with us. Thank you for your concern! It means a lot. Blessings
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I remember taking my father on a trip to WDW when he was 80 and still in good shape. I figured this would be a great bonding experience with his grand kids. I can laugh about it now but what a traumatic experience back then. He was not fit enough for the trip. I was a nervous wreck all week trying to keep an eye on two excited pre teens while also keeping an eye on my father who was not keeping up. He would decide to sit some place and we felt bad about that so we would run back to him after every ride to see how he was. That is not how I vacation. Someone later suggested that I should have gotten him in a wheel chair and wheeled him around. I asked that person how that would be a vacation for me pushing someone around in a wheelchair all day? And that is the whole point. When you have an elder everyone seems to think you should give up any joy just so the elder is content. I spent a crap ton of money on this trip and only got to see/do a fraction of what I wanted because I had to cater to his abilities. That was not a vacation for me.

Someone up thread also suggested taking turns sitting with her in the hotel room. Again, how is that a vacation? My SIL went to a Caribbean island with a couple as their babysitter. The couple went and had a blast while expecting SIL to sit in the hotel room all day/night with a fussy baby. By day three she was utterly miserable.

Go and have a great trip. Put mom in respite care and tell one of your siblings they are in charge of her for the week. Turn off your phone.
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worriedinCali Jan 2020
“When you have an elder everyone seems to think you should give up any joy just so the elder is content.”

Boy if that ain’t the truth! And that’s such one-sided thinking. Everything seems to be about the elder and keeping them happy. And I despise it. All too often the caregiver is totally overlooked when people give advice. I totally agree with you—if you have to spend all your time making sure the elder is content: it’s not a vacation. So what’s the point?
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I suggest you put her in Respite Care for the week you are gone. Most skilled care and assisted living homes do Respite Care. This way you can go on your trip and know that her medical needs are being cared for.

Not only do you desire this trip but your family does too. You can not be a good advocate for your loved one if you get burned out. I can't tell you how many times the caregivers of my clients have passed away before their loved one because they did not take care of themselves!

Take care of yourself so you can care for her!
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I think you need to take this trip for your own sanity, else you'll crash and fall ill.
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Your Sil is going?
Where does she fit in?
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Isthisrealyreal Jan 2020
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Wow! You have 100% on your side. Take the time off. But first, if there is time, visit some care facilities and have them help you get your mother qualified for Medicaid. She does not have to live with you. Assisted Living or a care facility will be good for your mother. They have activities to keep them involved and included. They have professional care that is capable to handle all situations. I put my mother in a memory care center. She didn't like it at first, she missed her home where she had lived for over 60 years. She would pack her things and tell the help there that someone was coming to pick her up in the morning and she was going home. This upset me until I was told this was typical and somewhat expected. That went on for a couple of months. Now, she is settled, loves the live music on Wednesdays, her hair done on Thursdays, and her manicures once a month. They have movies and popcorn evenings, and many other fun things. Please consider this for your mother. We now look forward to visiting and having a good time when we visit. Have fun on your vacation!!
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I agree with everyone else you need a vacation, you r way over due. My husband and I have been taking care of my MIL for almost 2 years now without a vacation together til now. We planned a trip to Europe for 8 months to visit our daughter and her family. We checked into respite care at 3 different places near our town and found one for mom to stay in for the 40 days we r gone. We told her other 3 children when and where we were going. They all lived out of state of where we were and no one wanted to come and take care of her or take her to their home. So we put her in respite care at a AL. She has a tv and phone and is provided for and we left on vacation. We r enjoying ourselves knowing she is in good hands. And the siblings r dealing with her complaints over the phone. MIL didn’t realize how well she had it with us till we showed her her next option. I would suggest you go on vacation and have ur MIL see what it will be like without ur care.
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Are the sisters going to take care of her while you're gone? If you know in advance the answer is no - don't even go down that road. Find someone and bring them in to help you around the house for a week prior to vacation - to evaluate how it goes. Have helper wait on mom's every need during this week and be busy with other cleaning or household chores that you can say you need help with.

Do not discuss the trip with mom at all. I don't think they get sick to guilt you. I think they get stressed out about the 'what if' situations they start thinking about if you are not there to handle things. The more time she has to think about you being gone, she can certainly make herself anxiously sick. Discuss it the day before that you are going out of town because you need a rest and that so-and-so will be with her all day and all night. If sisters are willing to make day visits, at the very least, then let them rake you over the coals if that's their choice. Who cares.

Take the vacation and get some rest for mind and body.
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I think you need to take this vacation with your family to refresh yourself. I would either arrange respite care or have your sister or her sister take her for a visit so she has a "vacation" too. I would not tell her 7ntil the arrangements are made and it's time to depart. This way she won't have time to sabotage itbasbyoy suspect she's done previously. Put a positive spin on it by saying you both need a vacation from each other. Don't allow the fear of she or others quilting you out or being passive aggressive stop you. Be firm. By setting boundaries for the parties involved you are in control and not giving them the response they want which is for you not to go.
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Could I suggest going Grey Rock? Other posters will describe this process.  Basically don't feel guilty, make your plans and get respite care for when you are away. Learn to be deaf, blind and dumb to her manipulations and abuse. You have rights too.
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Is their temporary care for her at a skilled nursing home? I have seen families who take care of a chronically ill family member get a break by the family member being placed for a week in a nursing facility. You may want to call around.
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Anytime anyone and I mean anyone starts to say something negative to you regarding the care of your mother, stop them right away. Tell them you do not want to hear it. If it is your mother, just tell her if she doesn't like it she can move somewhere else and walk out of the room. If it is your sisters or anyone else, say the same thing, I don't want to hear it, and hang up, or leave the room. If they start to say something again, tell them if they don't like what you are doing, they are more than welcome to take over. Repeat as necessary. You do not under any circumstances have to listen to bad stuff.

I was in therapy when I learned t shut my mother up. She was always talking bad about my father. She had done so all my life. Finally, with therapy I learned how to tell her off. I said, "You picked him to be my father, then you stayed with him. You tried to make Bill (brother) and I feel guilty by telling us it was for our sakes you did it. But, even after we were grown and gone you stayed. When he died, he left you a pension and you accept it. I do not want to ever hear anything bad about him again because he is the father you chose for me". Everytime she would start to put him down, I would say, "I do not want to hear it". Finally she would start, then say, "Oh, that's right YOU don't want to hear it" in a real snotty voice. I would just say, "Yes, I do not want to hear it." After awhile she gave up the fight.

As the bible says, a man (or woman) will leave his/her father and mother and will cling to his wife/husband and the two will become one flesh. Don't put up with their sh*t. You do not deserve it.
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kdcm1011 Jan 2020
Bravo! Well said.
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Medicare will pay for respite if she is on hospice. Has she been evaluated?

By all means, go and have a wonderful time. Know that you more than deserve the time away. You have given all, now is time for you to enjoy, even if for just a week. Leaving mom with good care for that week is nothing to feel guilty about. Let it go.
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So who will watch her while you’re on your vacation? Does she have any private pay Aide to stay at home with her while you’re away? Someone who’s already familiar with all her idiosyncrasies & quirks? If you decide to take her along, a beach wheelchair isn’t a necessity ....if she can stay in the hotel room & take a nap...& one of you take turns watching her? If she wanders, she has to be watched...if she don’t walk, she can stay in bed....but I still wouldn’t leave her alone as she wouldn’t be familiar with the surroundings & start to panic. If she had strokes in the past, this is usually precursor to dementia...which it sounds like. Maybe you can put her in ALF while you’re away? Anyway, I gave you some ideas for thought!

Also, as far as toenails, she should be treated by a Podiatrist every couple of months. She can get a toe infection from what she does.

Enjoy your vacation! Hugs 🤗
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I think what we hope is that having put the burden down for a little while, after five years without rest, the OP will be able to resume it with a lighter heart.
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You don't want advice, you just want agreement with your plan. You've made it clear that you consider helping your mom to be a burden. You've received lots of "supportive" comments. Feeling better?
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worriedinCali Jan 2020
Helping elderly parents is almost always a burden. The OP is allowed to consider it a burden.
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OMG. The toenail thing is way over the top...If anyone needs a vacation it is YOU. You need to put one of those shirts on that says "yes, it is about ME!" and get out of there! All of you need a vacation from this person who sounds like she has some obvious health issues, but she is also sounding like a drama queen. And a manipulator. The hard part for you, being the responsible one is dealing with the aftermath of whatever action you take. If you are going to be stressed and miserable anticipating the grief you'll encounter on return, then it is NOT going to be a vacation for you. And taking her along...gosh, I get where your husband and others are coming from. They need one too. I don't know if there is a way up and out of the hole without some professional help. If mama is cognitively capable then she needs to be talked to and it becomes clear about the options: either she shuts up about the past and talking about you and stops her unhealthy behaviors like ripping off her toenails while on blood thinners, or she will be out. To your darling sister, or to some sort of affordable or subsidized assisted living. If you think you can get it together within yourself...because this is key...your own sense of peace and letting go...then you should get away. Find a respite situation and tell her she's going there and that's it, for the week or whatever. Heck, I'd aim for two weeks! Then you can stay longer where you're going or come home for a week of peace without her being there. Tell NO ONE! Take a nap and regroup! In fact, you could run away even for a day/night to a local hotel...get room service! When is the last time anyone did something for YOU???
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Your roles have reversed. It might not have felt like it, but parents took advantage of time away from you. The over night at the best friend’s house, the visit to the grandparents because they wanted to see you and even the just go outside and play when you were mopey or bored. Some of those things probably involved some kind of white lie to you. We all need our own time. Your mother is frustrated and scared because of her health issues and taking it out on you. The more you respond and show her your guilt over not pleasing her the more she will push your buttons. This is a larger issue than one vacation. Find some support a caregiver support group or a therapist. I sound like you are at the point you know she is making it a past time to manipulate you and your husband in your own home. Have strength in yourself. You are worthy
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It sounds rough, however you do need to be refreshed at least a little. I can understand, if you ask for help from other family members in my experience it only made things complicated. However, in order for you and your family to keep going it is imperative for you to take (notice I said take) sometime off. Even if the family members do a poor job taking care of her while you're gone, hopefully she will live through it. Your family and you deserve breaks and there needs to be a plan for her care when you do. For years we didn't take time off for more than 2 nights, which helped. However you need time to rest up, and mentally care for yourselves. You are probably the only one involved involved at times, even immediate family backs off at times. In order for you to keep going please take the time off to rest and be with just your family. The stress builds and then its harder to deal with the individual and your own needs. Take time off at least quarterly more if you can arrange it. I did both my dad and my mom which totaled 15 years with only my husband's help. The other family members more than likely just don't think about you because you have it handled. This is hard for us to understand. Not all family members won't help, some are fair but most are not in my experience.
Keep trying to communicate with your mom as best you can despite the cognitive difficulties, it helps you. Doing right by her and your conscience does have rewards. Find a way to get help so your own quality of life doesn't suffer so much. I really do understand.
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KimmieK Jan 2020
I am an only child with siblings. My brother is presently moving to Russia. I have one step brother that helps when he and his wife can. Although now his wife is sick. Moms sister is in Michigan, she’s already told me she’s no care giver. I reached out to a private pay company to interview people to come stay with her. Thank you for your encouraging words.
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How can you even question taking her with you. It would be pure insanity and make your vacation hell and miserable for you. YOU CANNOT TAKE HER - DO NOT GIVE IN. Either place her in a safe facility for the time you are gone or hire reliable caretakers who will handle her 24/7. You should NOT feel guilty. She should feel guilty for being so selfish and not caring about anything except herself. Go and have a wonderful time WITHOUT HER.
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All great answers below. I echo and agree with all. I will suggest one more point. Talk to at least one sympathetic sibling or caregiver about what her needs may be. Let them know that SOMEONE, other than you!, needs to be on-call for her if she ends up in the ED. Let people know that your PLAN is to expect the "unexpected" trip to the hospital and have someone in place who can handle things until you get home. DO NOT come home unless she is dying (and maybe not even then!) Its ok!!! you really have done the best by her and it sounds like it's your turn for some good care. Your husband/daughter are right about this. Make a plan, get away, soak up the peaceful sense of being yourself, having fun with your family!
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You need a vacation without your mother! You do not need to feel guilty. Arrange short-term respite care, preferably in a rehab/nursing facility! (Safer thermostat in-home care.) Your mother doesn't have to like it. Let post-vacation anger and accusatory comments roll off of you. She will just have to be mad. Don't waste your energy trying to justify your vacation. Trying to "fix" your mother's attitude and alleviate your own guilt will wear you out and make you crazy.
Go love he beach. You need it.
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Your mother is not going to be happy if you take her with you on a holiday.
Your mother is not going to be happy if you stay home with her while the family holidays.
Your mother is not going to be happy if she goes into Respite care.
Your mother is not going to be happy if your siblings take her in for a time.
Your mother is not going to be happy if you get a carer in for the week.
So what are you going to do about your mother not being happy? Nothing! If people are determined to be unhappy it is not your problem. You have taken on the responsibility of her care and safety NOT her attitude.
Make some arrangements for Respite in one way or another, and just go on your very brief vacation! Enjoy your freedom.
Furthermore, while you have arrangements in place, why not try to spin the week into a fortnight, even a month. After 5 years of non stop caring for an ungrateful patient you deserve it. You also need to reconnect with your husband and daugter. They have been part of this caring business too and need the break.
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rovana Jan 2020
Wonderful post.
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Do not take your mother on vacation. Our parents have become like children and we can’t always give in. Your family deserves to have you for a while. We have to take care of our primary family first.
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Preemptive maneuver - tell everybody except mom that you're going on a trip for you and your hubby. Let folks know that daughter came "last minute." Enjoy!

Caring shouldn't keep you from having time off - during the week and vacation trips. You should enjoy yourself. If there is fall out, suggest that the complainer take mom on for a bit of caring themselves, like a year. (Yes that was snarky of me, but suggest that the others care for your mom more regularly).
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