My FIL is getting to where he can't live alone. He has a son with POA who lives near him. We live in another state. BIL is a jerk. Won't answer questions when asked about FIL. FIL can't hear to call him. He uses a walker, has health problems, maybe some dementia - BIL won't tell us what neurologist said - they put him on some kind of medication. My husband wants to bring him to live with us. The first I heard of this was husband saying we could install a lift to get him upstairs. All bedrooms upstairs, powder room downstairs. No discussion on making a decision like this. Next time I hear about it, we are visiting FIL, he's angry with the brother and says I'm going to tell brother that I'm taking dad to live with me. My husband is not considering the how-to aspect and I can't bring it up without him getting angry at me. And no, he won't go talk to a professional - says they will "take my side". Who is going to provide care for FIL while my husband is at work? (That would be me but yet my husband doesn't see the need in discussing it with me? At this point, I feel that if I don't have a choice but to say yes.) How do we get him upstairs? He can't hear and has the TV on so loud that you can't stand it. He's cold and has heat turned up really high. I've had female friends in this situation and I know what they went through. What is the answer when there seems to be none?
I hate to be blunt, but if your husband gives so little consideration to you, you need to be very forceful in the pushback.
negotiate anything. Good luck !
This is my husband's answer to dealing with the brother (more like not dealing with him). He let his brother get all up in our business like the brother telling me what to do, telling my children what to do, etc. The brother never acknowledged we had grandchildren until he decided they needed to visit. My husband stands up to me and my family but not his. He should never have let that brother get the upper hand. He won't even agree that he would need access to money if he brings his dad to our home. We would have to go and ask the brother for nickel and dimes and justify every cent. We would never spend his money on anything but his needs and we can't afford to use our money to take care of all of his needs like paying for a lift etc. Am I wrong to be so upset?
I am not sure I understand what your comment about "I don't see how we could afford it financially for me to leave" means. Does this mean your hubby can't support himself and his dad, or does this mean you cannot support yourself? Or both? If your hubby can't manage without your income then he better be sure he gets your agreement on arrangements that affect you.
I see this a leverage that can be used to strongly encourage hubby to rethink his position. Honesty I don't see how you could tolerate it if hubby brings his dad into your home. You do have the choice to say," No" and I agree with Barb you need to be very forceful about it. It sounds like he is using anger to back you off, and that is bullying. Bullies need to be stood up to. His argument that he won't see professionals because they will only take your side tells me that he has has some sense that this is not a good idea but doesn't want to hear it. It almost sounds like a p*ssing contest between him and his bro.
If you feel assistance from bro is not sufficient Adult Protective Services may be able to help.
For some people, money is the only thing that makes them pay attention.
It sounds to me like your husband can't stand up to anyone but you and your family. Call his bluff dear; stop being bullied.
I've tried to get my husband to get on the list so he can talk directly to the doctors. He hasn't taken any steps toward that. It would take some power away from the brother. The brother does okay with care; he just doesn't want to do it. Brother is a bully to us for sure and that is why my husband needs to stand up to him. Brother doesn't say it to me or when I'm around or I would say something back. Would changing POA or any other legal papers be an issue if FIL has dementia or something related? He gets confused at times.
A friend suggested talking to an attorney for elder care. Not sure what that would get us. I think talking to a marriage counselor or someone else (maybe suggestions?) would be more helpful. But I doubt he would go to either.
Thank you for validating that this would be upsetting to someone in my position. No one in my world gets it.
It sounds as if FIL would still be considered competent. As long as he understands "in the moment" what he is signing it would be valid. They are legally competent unless a determination is made by the court that they are not.
A assessment by an OT/PT would probably show that your home is not suitable for fil and that a number of changes would have to be made to make it suitable, if that is possible. Talk to your local agency for aging and also social services regarding your situation and also about an evaluation of your home for fil. If hub will not listen to you then write out your position and concerns as objectively as possible, and give it to him to read. Perhaps the cost of making your home suitable, if indeed that it possible, will wake hub up. In the meanwhile, look for work for yourself. I don't agree that over a certain age people will not hire you. I see seniors working in many places.
Meanwhile fil does need more help. This is a real concern too, but you do not have to be the one saddled with it.
What worries me most is your saying "I feel that I don't have a choice but to say yes." How come?
It is out of the question - it is irresponsible, risky, stupid - to move a person of your FIL's age and state of health into the home of people who have no idea what his medical and care needs are. That is what your husband is proposing. And you don't have a choice but to say yes?
Are you yourself in touch with your BIL?
You are not an indentured servant. Why let yourself be treated like one? Is your name on the deed/mortgage to your home?
If you allow your husband free reign to make all these plans for your future, accept his decisions and do not make your feelings known in the form of a firm refusal to be used as a free caregiver, then you must accept the future he has planned for you.
What about when he needs Depends, are you going to change him? What about bathing? Medication dispensing, 3 hot meals a day, entertainment, doctors, etc etc ETC. The list of their needs is never ending, in reality, and everyone is clueless until the parent moves in! Then they post the question about how to get the parent OUT of their home! My answer is always this: don't let him move in to begin with!! Let the professionals handle it.
And to have your DH NOT consult you on this matter is ridiculous! Tell him NO, that his father belongs in an Assisted Living Facility and you'd be happy to research ones in the area. Remember, you always 'have a choice' in any matter that involves a huge lifestyle change for you!! Use your voice.
GOOD LUCK!!
Say “This is not JUST about your father. It is also about you, and about me. You do not have professional training in geriatric care, and your father has multiple needs that cannot be met 24 hours a day by people who are untrained and have other responsibilities besides 24 hour a day care of a sick, elderly man.
No matter how much we love him, he needs more care than we are capable of providing.
I love you dearly, and it breaks my heart to see you so upset. If I were able to care for him while you are at work, I would volunteer gladly to do so. I am not able to manage him physically, and even if I was able to do all of his care routines, it would leave me no time to do all that I’m doing already (list here the activities in your typical day).
When you come home from work you are tired, and need to relax and unwind before you go to bed. If Dad needs to use the toilet during the night, someone will need to help him. Will you be comfortable waking up in the middle of the night to do that?
I know that discussion of this topic makes you VERY ANGRY, but although it is painful for me to say this, I am unable to agree to your decision about your father’s care, and if you insist upon bringing him here, I will be forced to prepare to take care of myself in the best way I can. I cannot assume a job that I know will be doomed to sorrow and failure for all parties concerned.
If we can discuss this without anger I am willing to see if together we can come up with some better solutions for all involved in this complicated problem. Once again, please understand that I love you and our marriage is important to me.
Hoping that we will be able to move forward together.......”p