Hello everyone! I am a 31-year-old woman who feels that she needs to move out of her 83 yr old mother's house for the first time ever. I feel like I'm suffocating and the longer I stay here, the more bitter I feel towards my mother. My mother has some health issues and was hospitalized twice this year, but seems to be in better health now. She suffers from heart disease and diabetes. She had a heart attack late June of this year and has since sworn off going to the hospital and taking any of her medication.
Our relationship is not the best at the moment; she does not like me for who I am, believes I am mentally ill, and think that it's strange that I only have 3 real friends. Without her saying it, I think she's implying that because I'm so difficult to be around (I'm not), no wonder no one likes me. I've also delivered my share of toxixity; whenever she insulted me or swore at me or called me a b****h, I would curse back at her. She hates when she's yelling at me and I hang up the phone with her or if I walk away. She gaslights me frequently, and if I call her out on anything she says she will deny it and say it never happened.
Yet despite all this, she doesn't want me to move out. She still has a son who's never left and he's 51. I've tried to move out twice in my life and failed when I was guilt-tripped back into the fold. Even now, I feel like I'm doing something awful, as though I am abandoning my mother. But another part of me knows that I can't continue to stay here and deal with the dysfunction. I don't know, maybe I am mentally ill for wanting some peace and independence. I've never even had a door to my room so it goes without saying that I have absolutely no privacy here. When I asked my mother if a door could be placed there (and I would pay for it), she told me that the structure of the walls would make it impossible.
Some background on me. I was adopted at a very young age so that's why there's such a huge gap between my mother's age and mine. I am capable of being financially independent; despite living in my mother's house for this long, I don't ask my mother to do anything for me. I also contribute a lot of my money towards the necessities of the household and bills; I am not living there for free. I am the first in my family to graduate with my master's degree. My mother was a helicopter mom growing up who demanded that I succeed and excelled at everything I did. She did get me anything I wanted for like my birthday or holidays. Overall, I would say her care of me was incredible, given that she chose to raise a child to the best of her ability at age 53./. So from her perspective, she would see my actions as a betrayal towards her and not showing appreciation for all the sacrifices she's made raising me and my siblings.
I currently live in the Bronx and the home I want to move into is in the Bronx also; it's a 15 minute car ride. I will be moving in with a male friend of mine, so I know that will also cause contention. My older brother (51M), his wife(50F);and their daughter (20f) live with my mom as well, and each person works full time jobs
I guess what I'm looking for is words of wisdom from this community and some advice from those who have experienced something similar.
Move out, and don't allow yourself to continue to be bogged down in the FOG (fear obligation & guilt) that these types of women impose on us! While we were fortunate to have been adopted, we do NOT owe them our entire lives in repayment for it! What we owe ourselves is freedom and a life of our our own! You have a masters degree, for petesake, meaning you are entitled to move out with your male friend and live an independent life free from the shackles of your mother's suffocating influence! Do it! Immediately! And don't look back. Naturally, you are not 'abandoning' the woman by leading your own life and you'll still see her, you just won't be living under the same roof and abiding by HER rules 24/7! She'll lay the guilt trip on you nice and thick but you will read all about FOG and see what it's doing to you, spiritually and emotionally, and learn tricks to overcome the emotional blackmail that comes from it.
https://www.bpdfamily.com/content/emotional-blackmail-fear-obligation-and-guilt-fog
Those are my 'words of wisdom' from someone who's dealt with this type of mother for 64 years myself, and for 10.5 years in a caregiving capacity, although she lived in Memory Care Assisted Living with advanced dementia. As an only child, I was all she had and it was tough, let me tell you. She passed in February at 95 and I was still dealing with her histrionics in spite of dementia and other disease mechanisms at play.
Here's another article that has helped me recognize a lot of things over the years, too:
https://lifelessons.co/personal-development/covertpassiveaggressivenarcissist/
I don't know if the 25 signs will apply to your mother, but even if some of them do, the coping mechanisms suggested in the article may be useful to you as they've been for me.
BEST OF LUCK to you!
After moving out make sure you start putting up boundries. What you are willing and not willing to do. No phone calls at work unless an emergency. Calls any other time will be a certain time of the day for "check in". As soon as it becomes how you have done her wrong, say you are hanging up and will call back when she is more pleasant.
My cousins kids are in their mid to late 30s and I remember them having a problem adopting because they were in their early 40s and it was believed that 40 was too old to adopt babies. How did Mom get to do it at 53? Thats menopause time for most of us.
If you wait too many more years you might not have the strength of character to move out, and then you will be stuck physically as well as emotionally.
I am incensed for you that growing up you were never allowed to have a door to your room, especially with that many people living in the house with you. That borders on, or is, abuse. It is creepy. It is inexplicable to me. Your mother flat-out lied to you in saying the house/wall structure forbade hanging a door off a couple of hinges. That is outrageous, and that alone is reason enough to move out and gain the privacy you have deserved and missed out on all these years.
She believes you are mentally ill, per your post, and is verbally and mentally abusive. I don’t know you personally, but you sound A-OK, and that any frailty you have is caused by your family situation, so GET OUT and go live the self-directed life all healthy parents would wish for their adult child.
Do not let her, nor your brother and his family, guilt trip you into jumping back into the dangerous whirlpool which seems to be your current home life.
Move in with your friend. Don’t even bother to tell your mother that your new roommate is of the opposite sex, if that will get her dander up. You don’t need any more angst than you already encounter via her harangues, so just omit to tell her the name and sex of your roommate.
Get a full, fruitful life with as many or as few friends as you wish to have. It’s none of her business, only yours.
She has already gotten more than a pound of flesh from you in return for your adoption. A normal loving mother would raise you and be joyous to have you fly free as the wholesome young lady you are.
Your mother can’t seem to be joyous to see you spread your wings as you prepare to fly free, but I am, and I bet most other readers here are, too.
We are pulling for you to live your best life possible, and to do that, you must snip the apron strings. Go for it!
There is a natural order to life. Kids grow up and learn the skills necessary to fledge from the nest. In the healthiest scenarios, kids grow up and OUT and can maintain relationships with family that are wholesome and healthy and mutually beneficial.
That doesn't always happen. You read some of the posts on here and you will quickly see that there are many people who never do 'get away' from parents, for whatever reason. In your case, your mother is actually holding you back from growing up--for whatever purposes she has--doesn't matter, it's time to fly.
I have watched my YB and his 4 daughters. They are aged 36 down to 25 and all still live at home. A couple of them work FT and one is a school teacher who moved back home while she taught and got her masters degree. She has opted to stay home--a 34 yo and has never dated or really left the nest.
My YB sees nothing wrong at all with this. He said if he had his way, his son & wife would also be living with them!!
They have such an intertwined, weird relationship as a 'family'. None of the girls have any social lives, to speak of. IF they take a trip it's always to Disneyland and that's it. None of them but the teacher have any goals or aspirations whatsoever. It's so, so sad.
You, at least, 'get it' that living at home with mom after a certain age is just weird and realize it's time to fly.
Go!!! And do NOT feel guilty!! Mom obviously has plenty of help.
I lived backwards. I left a dependency to go into another dependency, and that was marriage at an early age. After that divorce, I hadn't learned much and move back home to a dependency. Women did two things back then to prove their independence; the smart ones went away to college and developed a life and career, and those who were programmed for doormat relief were married off. We became the throwaway women and the ones who inherited the care of elderly parents. No offense to anyone here, but this was my family culture. The youngest was chosen for this chore. Women in my family didn't hold much value and were raised with shame and low self-esteem. We had doors we could shut (thank goodness) but no privacy to our emotions or mental space. When you are raised and surrounded by narcissistic people, you don't develop a self separate and apart from the dominating family king or queen. Everyone else are pawns in their little kingdom and playing a role to continue their imaginary dynasty.
Trying to extract yourself from this thinking pattern will take a lot of work and counseling. I had counseling to work myself out of it. It took years. Now at my age I'm finally free to a certain extent. I still have more work to do and I'm officially an old person.
Get counseling for yourself. I would like to hear more about what your mother has manipulated you into taking on that you failed to mention here. I would assume that you've been taught not to talk about family matters to outsiders and that's the reason for the limited amount of information that you failed to share here. As burnt pointed out, this is a site for caregivers. If you share more about your caregiver duties, we can be of some help.
I'm happy that you managed to get yourself a good education. Sometimes mental and psychological abuse can prevent you from moving to the next level because of the constant meddling and putdowns from family. It's the crab in the basket mentality.