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My mother and I are very poor and not well off, luckily we have my grandmother who financially cares for us n my two small children although she hates it, until we get on our feet. My grandmother used to be my hero, she raised me. For past 3 years she has become uncontrollably hateful, cruel hearted and rude. And it gets worse every day. She randomly tears me n my mother down on a daily basis to the point we cry then she laughs. Within next couple days she claims it never happened. She makes up stories about me n my mother's events .. when we tell her what actually happened we get called filthy liars, were terrible horrible people. Whenever she misplaced something she claims my mother has stolen it to spite her.

When she's driving, if a car passes her on highway she gets Pissed n cusses and honestly believes they had passed her to spite her!

She trys very hard to pick fights. If we ignore her attempts we get told how stupid pathetic and terrible we are.

She often cusses us randomly calls us druggies , stupid and bad nasty people in front of my 3 year old son. Then tells me I'm a bad mother because he gets nervous around her it's apparently something Iv done.

She believes everyone is out to get her, Everyone, especially my mother and me, are scamming her and lies to her daily. but then randomly sometimes she turns into a sweetheart like nothing happened then ten minutes later is back to her hateful self.

Plus many other events.

SOMEONE HELP! 3 years ago, this woman would go out of her way to take us shopping make sure we smile at least once a day n happily help us do anything. Now I honestly despise me n my kids being with her.

Iv calmly and nicely as possible tried few times to sit her down n explain how she has changed n how we believe maybe she should see a doctor for her own health about Alzheimer's or dementia. Every time I get cussed filthy told how stupid I am. And how I'm just trying to scam her to get something from her nothing wrong with her it's everyone else just trying to make her believe she has an issue so everyone can use her. But she apparently won't let us fool her so she says.

HELP ME PLEASE! CANNOT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!

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Sweetie...like the others, we are not here to knock you down... But there is an old saying "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree". Step back a little & put the pieces together. We are here to give suggestions
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I was told by Moms neurologist when asked about nastiness in a dementia patientwho was nice before, that they were able to cover their nastiness up before the dementia. People who are really nice before Dementia usually are when they have Dementia. You don't say how old GM is. To me this sounds like a sudden change. Dementia starts slowly. You need to have her evaluated. There couldbe a number of problems. May have nothing to do with Dementia.
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1) She may have the beginnings of dementia so you may want to have a doctor evaluate her
2) She may be depressed due to carrying the burden of so many for so long
3) She, like me, may have just reached the point of being DONE...downright angry and resentful of the responsibilities that have fallen on her. Due to her age, she may not have the ability or desire to hold those feelings in anymore..she may feel like now should be her time to be able to relax and enjoy life without having so many depending on her. I am still able to curb my anger when I deal with my mom's ongoing issues and tell her how I feel, but in a rational, civil way. But there are times I'd like to scream at her because I am just so TIRED of the constant demands from her and would like to be able to concentrate on my family and ME without the inevitable interruption of whatever her issue of the day is.
Just food for thought.....but always worth a doctor's evaluation.
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People, the OP states that she has her own domicile, and that GM sometimes poo ays some of the rent.

I also believe the OP has left the building, so to speak.
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Hurry, get out of that house ASAP! Get a job anywhere. I know it's hard. But as soon as you can get out of that house , the better for you and your child. You have to be selfish sometimes. Your life will over before you know it. RUN!
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I hope that you are still reading, ((((HopelessChef)))), and big hugs to you! You sound like a responsible and caring young woman who has already accomplished many successful endeavors, and also weathered some hardships which many people older than you would find very difficult. I commend you for leaving your partner when he became involved in a lifestyle that wasn't healthy for you and your children, and seeking refuge at home with your family, as most people would. I am sorry that it has turned out to be less than the safe place it once was, but please do not let anyone, including you, lay the blame for that on yourself.

It sounds as if your grandmother is going through some changes that are age related, and personal to her. Getting a job and moving away might be the easiest sounding solution, but it seems like you would still be deeply concerned for her well being and would remain involved in her life, as well as your mom's. You asked for help in understanding what she's going through, not a lecture on your choice to not take on a full time job at this time.

I've been struggling to understand and help my father cope with undiagnosed dementia for about ten years. He didn't start out a nice man, and has always been bitter and controlling. Sometimes dementia makes a nice person mean, or a mean person nice. In his case, it just made him grumpier and less able to keep track of all the crazy stories he's always made his reality. He lashed out more and more at his family and everyone else around him as he's felt his control over his own mind slip. Lying, complaining, and cursing at traffic was normal for him, but definitely got worse with age.

Many older folks get very grumpy as things that were once familiar become strange, and routine tasks become difficult to figure out. Your grandmother may be starting to see her world in a new and frightening way, and people going through this often lash out at those closest to them. Try not to take it personally. That's the best advice I've gotten from others who have gone through it.

My dad has always refused to believe that there is anything wrong with his mental state or abilities, so a proper diagnosis has been impossible. He passes the short, standard dementia tests doctors give him with flying colors, even now that he can't figure out which side of a spoon to use to pick up soup.

The other day, a new doctor gave him a 20 question dementia test during which he held up a pen and asked Dad what it was. Dad answered that it was a ballpoint, and the doctor smirked smugly at me and said he had no dementia. A few minutes later, after the doctor had left, Dad rolled over to me with two ballpoint pens in his hand. He asked me what they were, and told me they were some kind of tools that a guy at work had ordered too many of, so he'd given these to Dad. Dad has been retired for 15 years and his work is 2000 miles away, yet he insists that he goes there daily. When I explained that they were pens, he looked at them again and shook his head, insisting they were tools. So much for tests, and doctors who don't know the patient and see their daily behavior like family does.

Personally, I would not expect a proper diagnosis for your grandmother any time soon. If she decides she wants to seek professional help, that would be best, but it sounds like she isn't ready. Brain scans (EEG, MRI) can help pinpoint Alzheimer's, but aren't as good at diagnosing more subtle types of dementia. If there is a physical cause, such as vascular problems, early detection would be very helpful, but most kinds of dementia don't have a clear treatment at this time. Unfortunately, any treatment or coping strategy depends on your grandmother's willingness to admit what's going on first. Maybe in time, when it effects her more acutely, she will come around to that, but I would encourage you to look at what you know and draw your own working conclusions for now. Maybe more information will come to light later.

There are dementia tests online that are meant for caregivers and family to take regarding their loved ones, rather than for the person in question. You might try going over some of those with your mom and see if you can come to a consensus on what you're both seeing in terms of behavioral changes in your grandmother. Knowing that you're not the crazy one, and these things really are happening, may be of some comfort. Also, it may help you create a baseline for her behavior now so you have something to compare in the coming years. There may come a time when you and your mom need to help her understand that she isn't safe to drive anymore, etc, and laying out the patterns over the years may be helpful. I'd suggest writing some of it down as you go, maybe in a journal, if you can keep that safe from her curiosity. Remember that you're doing this because you love her and want to help, not because you're trying to point out her faults or put her on the defensive.

Try to create boundaries for yourself, which is easier said than done when you love someone and have seen better times with them, I know. Take some time for yourself every day, even if it's just a for a walk. Try to see the humor in it if you can. My dad would make a great sit com character, and if I can distance myself from his antics at little bit, they seem really funny. Sometimes, he laughs with me despite himself.

Good luck! Remember that it's nothing personal. If you were not living with your grandmother, she'd be ranting at the cashier at the grocery store anyway.
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You can't force your grandmother to get help for dementia, but you do need to find other living arrangements. Share a house with a friend or look into subsidized housing and food. Let your grandmother retire from all this stress.
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Get your grandmother to a neurologist to have her assessed for dementia. What you have described are symptoms of this disease. Try to remember how she once was, for she is not responsible for the changes in her behavior. Do it soon.
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Why is grandma needing to care for your mom? Maybe grandma has caregivers burnout from that.
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Hi Chef, you said there are other people using your grandma for babysitting, who are they? They maybe able to help you. Nobody was being harsh here, when I read your post I thought the same thing, maybe grandma is sick and tired of people using her, maybe it has made her bitter after all these years. You could talk with her and ask her if it bothers her. I'm sorry about your children's father, but you need to get back to work because it is not fair for you to use your grandma's money that she may need for her own care. I'm sure after you are supporting yourself it will make it easier for you to approach your grandma about her condition. What is wrong with your mother? Why isn't she helping you? I would be very upset about that, if I was grandma. Sweetheart, these are nice people on this site, they are trying to give you honest advice even if it stings a little...
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Reading through this post and the responses made me anxious. HopelessChef, you were asking for solutions but possibly you just wanted reassurance that you weren't to blame? No one is 100% to blame for any situation that he or she is in, at any given moment, but we are all responsible for our own happiness. Many of us are in a situation opposite to yours, where we find ourselves looking after the elderly people in our lives. You are incredibly fortunate to have a grandmother who cared enough to help raise you, and who now helps out financially. I understand that you don't live with her and are only asking her for help when you need it; it sounds like you're doing what you think is best for your children. Still, you should never take your grandmother's help for granted. This doesn't sound like dementia to me, but it could well be depression. Perhaps grandmother needs a hug, and some unconditional loving? But if, indeed, she has become abusive as a result of some medical condition, then you and your aunt (i.e., her sister) should talk to each other, to see if you can support her in a positive manner and encourage her to seek help. Punishing her by removing yourself and her grandchildren from her life would be sad, because it's possible that she just needs a break. It sounds like you're all going through a rough phase, and she needs your support now. If you want to thank her for everything she's done so far, now's your chance!
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She might NEED to have this problem to PREVENT losing herself. But your friend was right, you should make arrangements to move. You cannot subject yourself and your child to abuse
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All other issues aside, this definite change in behavior not just toward family but towards strangers as well indicates to me that there are medical problems. She needs to see a healthcare professional. I suggest a naturopath, but if necessary a regular allopath (MD) will do.
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by being employed, taking care of and loving your children in your own place...you will feel so good about yourself. It is a wonderful thing to know that YOU are the master of your own destiny! That YOU can and do take care of your children. They need the security and peace only you can give them. Please don't expose them to GM when she is angry and bitter. Your children are counting on YOU! Blessings, Lindaz.
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(sorry about the break, again) happier, as I enjoy their skills VERY much. It is a true gift to be able to make great food. Once you have removed yourself from this situation, by b
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I know you think that my advice to you (about getting a job and supporting your children) was harsh...and I guess, in a way it was...but you are in a bad situation and as I see it you have a few choices: 1. Continue the way it is and bear the brunt of your GM's hostility, 2. Talk to social services and find out if you qualify for day-care and other assistance, 3. Look for a job that you can feel good about! I happen to love to eat out and many chefs make my life so much ha
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Sorry error Grandmother not Mum in second sentence
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Hopeless You are clearly not coping and that is perfectly understandable. most of us on here haven't coped at one time or another if we are totally honest. Changes in our elders are bewildering and wilful behaviour such as your mum is displaying just adds to the misery. She does need to be checked as others have said because if she has a Urinary infection it will get worse and she could be very very ill (or worse) - they don't get better on their own.

You do need to try and see her viewpoint (not easy but try) She probably had a very different vision of her retirement and now she is living in this unwanted work she is actually quite angry about it and is looking to pass on the blame. She is also probably quite cross that she is no longer as fit as she once was and she probably hates being dependant on anyone for anything, she sounds like she was a strong woman....which probably means she isn't handling frailty that well either.

If she does have dementia ad I do so hope she hasn't but if she does you will need to get some serious advice. people are right when they say you need to keep your children away from toxicity - it isn't good for their development to hear you being denigrated.

You may need to consider doing some job sharing with a mother Mum so you could share the childcare arrangement which would at least give you an income and start you on the right path.

I know you wont leave you GM and that is an admirable trait but you need to know so much more before you make that sort of commitment - it could go on for years, it is harder than any job you will have ever had physically and emotionally. Take advice, read widely but first get yourself straight and up an running - for only then can you be totally impartial.
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Anyone else seeing a familiar pattern to the trend here?
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So I've read through this thread and trying to figure out the situation.

Chef, you live in an apartment with two small children.

Your GM helps you out financially.

Your Mom has some kind of difficulties (currently? Past problems?)

Your GM has taken care of your Mom for years?

GM needs help but is in denial and you are very worried.

To what extent are you dependent on GMs financial help?


If you would fill in the blanks people would be glad to offer advice. Personally, I don't see any magic or easy answers. There is more going on here than can be resolved with a quick fix. Getting GM to a doc may be next to impossible until she has to be sent to the ER or you have some bad ass friends who can physically subdue her and haul her off and that's probably a really bad idea.

I suggest you hang around the forum, give some more details to questions people are asking and don't be so touchy with folks. I'm not seeing any insults or slights to you thus far. Take it one step at a time. Piece together a solution. Don't like someone's responce? Then ignore it. Someone has an interesting thought or suggestion, talk to them.
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N I have my own apartment. I don't live with her. Haven't for 5 years.
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Towards vstefans thank u very much for ur support n help.
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Chef, nobody responding to your question is a lowlife, and your situation won't be improved by insulting people who try to help you. What some people are trying to tell you is that your first and best defense is to become self-sufficient so you don't need to expose yourself or your children to your grandma's abusive behavior.

Why she is doing this and whether she can be helped is a much more complicated issue, not easily addressed by people not involved in the situation (or even ones who are). She may or may not have a medical problem, but only she can address that as long as she's competent to make her own decisions.

I think everyone is working from the premise that none of us can control other people, but we can all hopefully control our own lives in order to limit the damage done to us by others whom we can't control. Please try to see the comments here in that light.
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I'm probably gonna say some things that will make you mad but here goes - You want to help your grandmother right? While I don't know her I'd be willing to bet her vision of old age did not include supporting or helping to this degree her adult daughter, adult granddaughter and her great grandchildren. This level of pressure could cause anyone to become hostile - consciously or subconsciously. Throw in possible dementia and more than likely physical pain that comes with age and you've got a time-bomb. When you mentioned help with buying diapers you hit a hot button of mine and I realize I probably have a bias here. My stepdaughter uses that one when she wants money from her dad. Putting the grandkids needs on us is a form of emotional blackmail in my opinion. Of course you want to be home for your children but unfortunately where you are in your life doesn't allow for this and it's not your grandmothers responsibility to make it so. Do what thousand and thousands of single moms have to do - put your kids in daycare and get a job - even if it is below your skill level. Get on your own two feet and take some pressure off grandma. It might help her, it might not but it would get you and your children out of her hostile environment.
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Wow. I'm pretty sure I gave you some good advice about what could be causing the issue and how to get her to the doctor but ok...
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Wow. As I originally said I get tore down to my lowest low on a daily basis for hours randomly by the woman who raised me. I asked u all for help on her behalf. Not to try n explain how my parenting is not ideal to ur lifestyle. So forget the whole situation. I'll look elsewhere for help. Sometimes I forget how lowlife people are on this country. Please excuse my attempt to ask for help. Have a nice day everyone.
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HoplessChef, you wrote that this is all new to you, and yes, it was all new to most of us at one point. Your grandmothers nastiness and personality change seem like something out of the blue and have you wondering if she is justified or if you did something wrong to cause it, and the short answer is NO to both. These kinds of horrible changes most often stem from early dementia, depression, or both, and the critical thing for you, both emotionally and practically, is to understand that she has become unreasonable and cruel because either she is getting very ill and irritable, or losing her abilities to reason....AND her ability to see things from others' perspectives, aka empathy.

Of more concern, you also wrote "I refuse to leave her no matter how much mental torments Shea put me n my son through." You may have to rethink this one, because leaving a child exposed to a really toxic emotionally abusive situation could be seen as a failure to protect in the eyes of CHILD protective services. Your first loyalty has to be to your children, and to yourself.

The solutions to your situation may not be easy ones - they may be drastic. You may be able to get needed help and advice from an elder law practice, an estate planner, DHS, Area Agency on Aging, a senior hotline, or a geriatric center that does comprehensive evaluations and has social work available too. If GM refuses medical evaluation, and no one can get medical or financial POA, moving out and reporting her as an adult unable to care for herself may be something you have to do. I am not clear on what your mother can or cannot do for herself and that has to factor in as well. Whatever develops, it is clear that you have to face unwelcome changes head on, and likely a future of being the one in charge of the situation. You need to get as much clarity as you can on the actual financial situation and the options for support in your community. For some of us, the financial end was more or less a search through the home for all the important papers and numbers while our parent was not there...in your case it sounds like GM rules the roost and that would be more difficult. If there are other family members who could collaborate, they need to know what is going on. It is probably up to you to send out that S.O.S. under the circumstances. It is overwhelming at first, because systems are complex and limited in scope, and because the emotions and grief of losing the support and the relationship you have had for all these years are devastating as well.

You came to a good place for support and practical help. If you are having trouble locating your community agencies, we can give you hints on what to Google for too or even look up a few things. Private messages are an option if you are not comfortable sharing more details or your location.
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Mea culpa, although I wouldn't have said I was challenging reproductive choices - more trying to get a handle on the historical context. HC, I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.

Getting help for your grandmother when she doesn't recognise the need. Tricky. But if you know who her GP is, and you have a contact number, ring and ask for advice. Ideally they will know her as a person as well as as a patient and will recognise a tell-tale personality change if they see it. That's where I'd start, anyway. And this *is* an appropriate and caring thing to do, irrespective of any other changes you might think about trying to make.

How is your mother placed? Does she need care, does she work too, what's the story there?
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(Sorry about the break) you can do a lot by making a plan on how to get a job to support yourself and your 2 children and involving her in it. As for your mother...I'm not sure what to say...does she have a mental or physical reason she was not able to raise you or help you with your children?? She also, needs to start helping support herself, if she is able. Good luck to all of you, and blessings to you, Lindaz.
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Ok, your main concern is for your children....mine was too! And that is why I went to work, everyday, so that I could support them. I didn't have the 'option' of staying home with them (even though that WAS what I wanted to do) and having someone else put a roof over our heads, feed us, and allow me to stay home. If you are a professional chef, I know the hours are long and hard, but it usually pays quite well. These are your decisions, you decided to have children now you need to decide to take care of them. Some of us just don't have the choice to stay home. Daycare can be expensive but not as expensive as being in a bad situation, perhaps you qualify for state-aid to help with daycare expenses until you get your career up and rolling again. Your grandmother sounds as if she may have a form of dementia, or maybe is just frustrated as hell that she now needs to support another generation without being able to find rest and peace in retirement. I may sound harsh, but it's the truth. If you are as skilled as you say you are you shouldn't have too much trouble moving on. I think Grandma deserves to not have to support her daughter, her granddaughter and 2 great-grandchildren. How do you deal with her rages? Well that depends on the cause of them....if it is a form of dementia there is little that you can do about it, if its cause is frustration y
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