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And if there are filial responsibility laws.. point at SIL!! She is living there! Good luck here!
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Your instincts are right; my Bible says "you know not the day, you know not the hour" and there is no realistic religious justification to failing to plan like that. The parents need to be on the ground floor, not the attic. You and your wife could go together and see what changes can be made, and you can contact social services, but to move there would not be a good solution, as you might find them all resistant to making even the simplest most necessary changes, and unless they are declared incompetent or are in imminent danger, you would have no support. Waiting until something really bad happens is no fun, but if you are stuck doing just that, you have my sympathy. Paying something on a one time basis for cleaning or moving, or on an ongoing basis for a housekeeper if they would let one it could be reasonable. Check with an eldercare attorney about any filial responsibility laws in the state where they might apply. Do NOT start doing anything you cannot do or would not be willing to do long-term.
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If you have to move her parents,, and I am not suggesting this.. do NOT move the sil and her kids also. If she is only 45 and stays in bed all day.. she will become your leach too! I call BS on this , she needs to get some help or the end that is coming will be sooner for her than she expects! Wake up call for her! The time may come when the parents can;t be left to make that decision for themselves.. but she does not need to be part of the package. And it does not sound as if she is helping...
But my best advice is as stated several times above.. don't do it!!
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You're right Ed. Do not row your boat into this mess. I came from a similar family situation. I'm now the sole caregiver for my folks who are 600 miles away. I do all I can but I won't sacrifice my life and life savings for the cause. This may be hard for your wife but hopefully you can convince her not to sacrifice your lives because her family made terrible life choices and is dysfunctional. You're not going to fix this. Do what you can but keep a healthy distance and keep your life and money.
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Ed, Your in laws live in a home they can no longer maintain or navigate. Living in the attic (no matter how nice it may be) can't go on for ever for people this age. Not saving for the future is a poor plan, no matter what faith you happen to be. Many people haven't saved anything and it has nothing to do with their faith. They need assisted living. They nee help with daily chores, bathing, medicine management, food etc. I don't know if Tenn. has a program for seniors to assist them financially with this, but your wife needs to do some inquiring. As for her sister, she needs to see a Dr. yesterday for her depression needs. Throwing money at this situation won't fix anything. Pitching in to seek placement for the folks is what's needed. They need a home all on one level with assistance. Get going on this. So much can be done over the internet and phone. You guys can to this
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You are correct - throwing money at them is the easy solution.... for THEM. Unless they feel the pinch - they won't make any changes. DO NOT GIVE THEM MONEY - but help them find services through local services, medicare, Medicaid. They are adults and can certainly find sources to help them - don't let them be lazy and play on your wife's sympathy. You have worked hard and have been smart and should not have to pay for that, because you have some resources and they don't. Help them fish. Don't give them fish. This topic always rubs me the wrong way because my husbands mom always wants us to help dead beat brother in law pay his mortgage, or pay so he can get a lien off his car, etc. "because he is family". The words "no, I can't give you money but I'm willing to help you become self sufficient" are not what they want to hear, but you need to protect yourselves. Otherwise, you have some pretty heavy, long term boat anchors that will be around your necks.
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Ed, do the Jehovah's Witnesses have "beliefs" that might interfere or affect medical care, i.e., such as refusing care through a hospital, or believing that prayer is the first option in the event of a medical emergency? If so, that could affect any care that could be arranged through governmental agencies.

Just wondering, as some of these types of groups have some very unusual beliefs. (and for anyone who's religious, don't take offense. The issue is one that's germane to Ed's question and is not addressed to the validity or nonvalidity of any religious group.)
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EDteach, I think your instincts are correct and that throwing money at the situation is a temporary measure that is not going to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of the matter. It might make your wife feel better, but I would strongly encourage you to get legal advice before doing anything. Giving them money could cause them to be disqualified from one or more programs.

And even if only one of the parents has dementia, it's unlikely that the other senior, who has limited mobility, would be able to care for a dementia patient in the home. And it's also unlikely that a bedbound depressed person, like your wife's sister, would be able to provide complete care in the home for a dementia patient.

I would seek legal counsel from an attorney in their state who knows Medicaid and Social Security Law (disability) to see just what resources all of the parties may have. For example, when calculating for Medicaid purposes, how many incomes are included? They may include all the money that comes into the house, even their adult daughter.)

Plus, there may be issues of the people who are living in the house when the parents have to go to long term care. Can they continue to live there? Who pays the taxes?

I guess the parents don't have a Durable Power of Attorney. If not, there may be issues of taking control and seeing that the parents get appropriate care and there is the sister who is depressed and in bed. It may be sensitive, but if the parties were to receive the resources that they are entitled to, maybe the burden would be lifted and your wife wouldn't feel so helpless.
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I agree with GardenArtist, but also, your SIL, may very well have depression, but that is treatable, if she seeks care from a Dr. She may also qualify for assistance from the state, if she seeks that out in thee form of social services, welfare, medicaid and food assistance until she gets back on her feet, and in a return to work program for women. She may well be doing a lot of caregiving for her parents too. Having your wife take some time to help the apply for these services is probably the best thing right now, as GA mentioned, bringing them into your home would probably spell disastrous to your marriage and your own livelihood.
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Sorry, I did have the feeling I was getting confused somewhere along the line. But are your wife's parents, your in-laws, still the ones who need help, with your FIL being the one who was hinting at help?
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I think you understand but its not her aunt but her sister. My wifes sister her parents daughter and her two kids that live with them.
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This is a complicated situation, made so in part by the involvement of the JW. Whatever you might say, think or recommend is probably going to be filtered through the JW beliefs.

Frankly, I think your wife's aunt has allowed her situation to evolve b/c of her own actions or inactions, and I agree that consideration of helping her shouldn't be done. She isn't going to change.

As to your in-laws, I suspect the same situation exists. If your wife were to move closer, she'd not only be away from you and intellectual stability, but would be so much under the influence of her parents who don't think independently and haven't made good plans for their retirement. This would be like an emotional, psychological and financial quicksand for your wife.

I do think that what she can do is assist them in applying for Medicaid and to research other programs that might help. Tennessee may have an elder law state agency, there should be an Area Agency on Aging in their area. Both are good resources for what programs might be available.

I would say let you and your wife's contribution be the research, contacts and channeling her parents toward assistance. But don't do more than that; don't move there, don't invite them to your home or even your area as I suspect you will quickly regret that.

(I've read your post 2 -3 times, so I hope I have understood all the dynamics and issues, but am really not sure that I have!)
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