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As an old Vet, I have seen many deaths and the horror always comes back to me. If a loved one is dying is it wrong not to go visit if they know longer know you? When my wife's aunt died, (who I loved very much) all I can remember is her lying in her casket. This has haunted me all my life. Today I do not want to see someone on their death bed or see them in an open casket.
I had to watch my mother die, I was horrified. She had left instructions NOT to have and open casket, but my sisters ignored her wishes. I was furious.
I did her memorial service and only spoke of the good parts of her life, as though she had never died. That is how I want to remember loved ones, as though they have simply gone away.

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Singingway I like your answer.
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Singingway: In any forum thought/post, not everyone is going to agree. That's also a good way to learn.
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I was hurt and appalled when family members chose to stay away from my parent's when they were dying "so they could remember the person AS they WERE" --but that's not life, not reality. Reality is what's happening at this moment. Love is bigger than that. I've come to view it as their loss. There is a lot to learn. Deaths are as unique as births. And are equally a part of life. They gave up something by shielding themselves so carefully. But that's their choice.
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Not at all wrong! I did this with an aunt...had pancreatic cancer, but was a harsh-tounged woman all her life.
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NO ONE can tell a person what is right or wrong about how they handle a memorial service, a wake, a funeral.
How you deal with the loss of your Mother, Spouse, child, best friend is a personal expression of how you felt at that moment and how you think/thought they would want you to express yourself.
How one deals with death is greatly determined how they dealt with that persons life and your own. My Husband Loved the Chicago Cubs. When he died and a family member said..xxxx and I are going shopping for suits for xxxx and xxx since I had asked them to be pallbearers I said No suits. I wanted everyone to wear Cubs Jerseys or T-Shirts and jeans. My husband disliked suits and I had said for years he would be buried in either a Cubs shirt, a Bears shirt or a plaid flannel. He was laid to rest with a Cubs Jersey and Cap.
So do not let anyone tell you how you should or should not mourn or express yourself at a service. (short of getting drunk and being an idiot of course)
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You are a brave lady, Arleeda. No one could have done more, or better, than you did.
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I went to see my husband every day for the two weeks he was in hospice after a major stroke. As he had instructed, a feeding tube was not inserted, so he gradually starved to death. He was perhaps sentient for 10 days and said he wasn't hungry, although his mouth was dry and the aides were good at handling that. It was very, very hard for me to witness his decline, but his children disagreed with not putting in the tube, so they did not come. Hearing his last breath and seeing the dead body was painful to me, but I knew he was no longer there, and glad that he did not have to endure months or perhaps years in a nursing home with no hope of walking or even reading or watching TV again (the stroke destroyed his central vision). The body was cremated, and there was no viewing. The memory still haunts me, but I am confident I did what he wanted. I could not have left him to die alone, even if he was no longer aware I was there.
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Skyhigh Your post is beautifully written, and Your approach to death makes perfect sence to Me....Of course You were furious Your Sisters disobeyed Your Mothers wishes, since Ones last wishes should be honoured.
I look upon death as Our Love Ones Spirit moving on ahead of Us, but Wee'l meet up with again a little farther down that long winedy road of Life
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When my mother was move to a SNF for ‘comfort care” in her final week I had cousins on my Dad’s side want to visit and I told them no, remember her as she was. Her sister was with her daily and I was able to spend the Sunday evening and Monday before she passed with her. I did not bring my husband & son with me, again not wanting them to remember her there. The only other visitors we allowed were my Aunt’s son and his wife. They saw her on Sunday and had ice cream with her. I got the call on Wednesday morning that she had a difficult night and the end was near. My Aunt and I spent the day with her, late in the afternoon they said she’s probably last the night so my Aunt sent me home (2 hours away) to be with my son and then bring him and my husband back to Mom’s house. Mom waiting until I was more than ½ way home and then took her final breath. I think she was determined that I not be there and was far enough away that I would go e with my family.
We did a similar thing with my FIL a few years later. Our son saw him while he was still able to communicate but once he was past that stage only his children and spouses were allowed if they wanted. One daughter & son chose to remember Dad as he had been and not visit. His youngest daughter and my husband were with him his final days because they wanted to be there.
It’s up to each person to make the decision
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You grieve the way YOU want, and based on your experiences have every right to not want to relive painful situations. We all are indebted to you for having served this country, and enjoy this upcoming Veteran's Day because all of us are honoring YOU. God Bless You!
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I didn't see either my beloved grandmother or mother in their last days. Both of them were not responsive any longer and showed no signs of knowing there were visitors. I also chose not to see them displayed in caskets. I have countless wonderful memories of both in their lives and wanted it to remain as just that. I know people are different, but for me, I don't understand the need for looking at the dead, I'd much rather remember the person in happier times. God bless
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Skyhigh, you sound so considerate to me. It sounds to me like you have really gone the extra mile for your FIL and your wife. I don't think there is any reason to feel bad about not seeing him now and remembering him as he used to be. Big hugs.
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Sky high I wrote before and I appreciate the update. I think after rereading this update that you are doing what is so important now. You are doing for the living and helping your wife and I so admire that. My husband supports me emotionally and with acts of kindness to my mom. All one can do is their best and no one else can say what that is. As I see this in a fresh light ...I see you doing all that you can and you should not feel quilty about your decisions. I think of your situation often and hope you and your wife may find strength and comfort in the days ahead.
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Skyhigh, you are there for your wife and that is soooo very important in my book. I think she appreciates it more that your time is being spent helping her than visiting her father in this situation.

My sig other didn't like walking into hospitals or going to visit my Dad when he lived in Independent Living because he didn't like seeing people with walkers. Sig other would leave me off at the door.... [sigh] Now if he would be home helping with chores it would have been a different story, but he didn't. There has to be give and take in these types of situations. And you are doing that, giving some balance to a stressful situation.
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My wife is OK with it, she had rather have me nearby just in case she needs me, We live withing 2 minutes of the hospital, After 44 years of marriage she know how I feel. She feels like I do too much,; far more by taking care of business, running the errands and picking up prescriptions. Believe me, I work 12 to 14 hours a day trying to get everything done i.e. which she needs to be done.I suffer from acute spinal problems and literally push myself to get things done. Many time I fall asleep sitting here at the computer many evening; exhausted from a full day's work.
I was up before daylight fixing breakfast for the family so she could feed the sisters and her aunt. There are many other ways to support the loved ones. My being there will not help the situation, he cannot hear, see and is completely incoherent.
His sisters live 1 hour away and I shuttle them back and forth to the hospital. I do support my wife, sister-in-law and his family that are still alive.
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Skyhigh, if it is your FIL, will your decision affect your wife? How does she feel about you not going with her to visit? Is it causing friction? If not, I don't see any problem except possibly feeling some guilt.

Your question does remind me a lot of a thread we have on the group about the reasons siblings don't help with caregiving. I don't know how close you were to your FIL and if your seeing him will make any difference to him. The only thing I would consider would be the impact on the rest of the family, especially the spouse.
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Skyhigh, you can only do what you can do, if you can't face it then you will have to find your own peace with that. I do not condemn you, but I disagree with your viewpoint. Just because someone doesn't know their wife/child/friend doesn't mean they are not aware in that moment that those people are somehow special visitors. And I believe no nurse or stranger can provide the comfort or say the words that someone may need to hear in their final days and hours. You heard your mother's final benediction, something she needed to say. Would you rather has missed it?
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I appreciate everyone's thought here, but I don't think some of you do not understand the situation. My father-in-law is basically gone. His mind is gone, he does not know his wife of 65 years, his daughters and, his sisters. As I age (71) I realize that death is a debt we all have to pay.
I have died once in 1991 after a horrific industrial accident, the doctors were amazed that I was still alive. My employer wanted me med-flighted to a larger trauma hospital some 30 miles away, but the doctor told them if I was moved I would die on the way. They fear that my aorta was torn away from my heart. While I was having a heart scan I basically died, I had lost so much blood that I had zero out on the BP monitor. I said to myself "Damn I am dead" then all the pain had gone. Then I awoke and the pain was back. No, I did not see the light, I did see myself lying on the table and the doctors and nurses screaming and yelling, I did not hear them until I awoke. I spent from 9:30 AM to 1AM in the trauma unit. At 1AM I was stable and sent to ICU.
In this situation, I was aware of my surroundings.
My support comes from cooking and preparing the meals for my wife's family. taking care of the family business and many other chores, running errands for the family. I did see my father-in-law before he lost his mind. He does not respond to any stimulation. I am busy all day running errands and doing for the family.
We do not grieve for a lost one but celebrate their life. I will be doing the memorial service for my father-in-law, I will talk about his life and the good memories. At 93 he has beaten the odds. I lost my father in 1985, he died suddenly, I lost my mother in 2011, while she was still awake for the first time in my life she told me she loved me. I watched her die, a horrible death.
I have seen too many people die in my life, young men dying in battle, friends and family. It has been a heavy burden to bare.
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Freqflyer I could tell that my Mom could hear us for a while. My Hubs would phone me and when my cell rang my Mom would jump. But towards the very end, the phone didn't startle her at all so I knew then that she wasn't going to know I was there.
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Gershun, I remember Hospice telling me that once a person is in a coma, that the person can still hear what people are saying. I even asked what about my Mom who had lost her hearing, and was told that sense increases because the other senses had faded.

Why I was wondering about that was because I was in Mom's room watching movie, which was Mom's favorite, and when the movie ended, Mom passed 5 minutes later. It was almost like she was watching it [even in a coma].
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I think the decision is entirely personal. A lot also depends on the kind of relationship you had when the person was alive and healthy.

I stayed by my Mom's bedside long after the doctor's told me she wasn't aware anymore. I remember one afternoon sitting with Mom and holding her hand and the doctor coming in and quietly saying "You know she doesn't know you are holding her hand" I said "Yes, I know, but I am doing this for me now"
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Captain. I'm truly sorry for your loss.
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And SkyHigh, I thank you for your service and I am so sorry for al your losses!!
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It is not wrong to feel anything... but it is a bad thing to actually stay away because of those feelings, if the person dying is aware they have been left alone or abandoned - it could make a hard thing so much harder for them.

Where I work we occasionally see parents abandon a child with cancer or a disability and it is just unbearable to watch them suffer not just from their condition but from the loneliness and the feeling uncared for almost no matter what we do.

That said, funerals are for the living. If you care about the people left behind, it is almost always good to go if you can. If your being there won't comfort anyone but you, really, and it does nto comfort you that much, I think its OK to express condolences and not go.
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ff, you wrote it so well. I also go to more funerals now. It is my small way of saying that I care. The saddest thought to me would be what if they had a funeral and no one came. :'( I love that the family knows the person was cared for and remembered. I also write condolences on the funeral home sites online. I'm now a bit supporter of carrying a dish to families who lost someone -- that meant so much to us when my father died.

I didn't know what to do when people died until I saw what people did for us when my father died. I didn't have a clue, even though I had gone to funerals and sent flowers. I'm ashamed that I didn't learn until I was 60 years old!
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I think it depends a lot on how we are conditioned to view life and death. Both my parents were born and raised on farms, thus saw a lot of life and death. And they passed that onto me that it is part of the plan.

Seeing Mom [98] in her coffin at church gave me peace knowing she was with the rest of her large family. That was so much easier to deal with then the sharp memories of when she had delirium episodes which were so very unsettling.

As for my Dad, his passing was much quicker then any of us had expected. Dad had a viewing at church, also.... he was dressed in his favorite flannel shirt, had on his reading glasses, and tucked under his arm was the most current hometown newspaper. Dad looked pretty much like he looked when he was alive, sleeping back in his recliner with his newspaper. He's now with Mom.

I wasn't one to attend other people's funerals unless that person was an immediate part of the family or was a very dear friend. Now that has changed, recently I went to sig other's boss's mother funeral even though I didn't anyone involved.
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There are two different issues here, viewing a body after death and being with someone in their final days/hours. Sometimes we feel a need to see the body in order to internalise the reality that they are gone, I think that denying that can be just as harmful as forcing someone who is reluctant to view the body.

As for being on hand at the final moments, once someone is no longer conscious then I don't fault anyone for staying away, but it breaks my heart to think of anyone being alone during their final moments. Just because a person has dementia and doesn't know their family anymore shouldn't give them a free pass to stay away.
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I really think it depends on how close you are and how much trouble it would be to get there. Seeing someone we know dead is never a comfortable thought. I'm always surprised, though, that the person in the coffin doesn't really look or feel like the person we remember. The spirit of that person has already gone, and with it took the expressions and essence of the person.

There are a couple of things valuable in seeing someone either before or after they die. It helps to bring closure. Strangely enough, I don't really feel that my brother is dead because I didn't see the body. I just saw an urn that looked like a Crown Royal bottle. (That seemed a bit fitting, since the alcohol had been what cut his life short.) I don't know if closure is important for people, but I imagine that it could be. The other thing that is important is being there for the survivors. They will remember who did and didn't come to pay final respects.
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my 28 yr old son was murdered 5 weeks ago . i did not participate in his final arrangements at all . i contributed financially but i have no desire to view a corpse . now a 35 yr old therapist questions why im not crying my eyes out every day . im conducting myself just like my son would conduct himself if he lost me . its an internal thing and im at peace with our relationship and my parenting and i dont owe anybody s#it ..
i was waylaid on the road yesterday by a funeral procession . i fail to see where their ritual is any more credible than the way i deal with grief .
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Totally understand how you re feeling and respect your decision. With my Father i had not chance to be there his wife wrote to me from another country to tell me. We had visited a few years before and that is how I remember him.
My mother passed alone but not in distress. Friends had visited and she made teamed after they left she was in her kitchen washing dishes and just dropped dead. When we arrived a few days later i did not want to see her so did not go although my hubby did. i just did not want to have my last memory of her dead. I did see my MIL and was totally shocked by the way she looked and can't get that out of my mind. Her appearance had been so important to her and she kept her hair tinted and there she was with straggly grey hair that I know she would have hated. I try and remember her in life but that image just won't come. So do what is comfortable for you. Just be sure you manage to say your goodbyes if you are able before she goes. Many many years ago I had a 26 year old patient with a six week old baby dying from kidney faure (Before dialysis0 AND I WAS UPSET AND FELT HER HUSBAND DID NOT CARE AS HE HARDLY VISITED IN THOSE LAST WEEKS. BUT MY HUSBAND TOLD ME HE WAS STAYING AWAY BECAUSE HE DID CARE A GREAT DEAL AND JUST DID NOT WANT TO SEE HER DYING AND SUFFERING.
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