Mom has Alzheimer's and in late stage. Her step kids both want to take a portion of her estate. They both feel she will not need it because she won't live more than 5 more years. I believe she could live longer. I don't need the money but my step sisters do need the money. When did it become ok to take inheritance before a person is resting in peace?
Pray for God’s perfect timing and plan.
Well said...luv the KISS theory....
NEVER.
Like others said, I believe your step sister is either misinformed, lying, confused or has not presented the full "case" to her "family law attorney." Perhaps she is just plain greedy! She also needs to have a better understanding of what a POA does (perhaps you need to tell her):
https://info.legalzoom.com/duties-power-attorney-20228.html
"Agent Responsibilities
The agent has a legal duty to the principal; he must act in the principal's interests and not his own when acting as an agent. Agents should keep records of all duties performed on behalf of the principal in case the principal or a court asks for an accounting of the agent's activities."
She should be handling mom's finances/affairs in the best interest of MOM. Taking her money now because she might die soon, doesn't need it or can't use it is just plain and simple GREED. Also be aware that POA duties END at the time of death. If there is a will, it should name an executor.
Questions for you:
1) Does mom have a will? All assets will go through probate and be allocated to remaining bills, burial, etc. and THEN to her heirs (with/without will).
2) If mom has a will, even if y'all are named as equal beneficiaries, the assets are distributed AFTER death (and probate/bills/etc.) Do you have a copy of it? Does POA understand her duties STOP on mom's death?
3) If there is a will, are the beneficiaries the same as those who would TAKE money now? If not, those beneficiaries are going to be a mean nasty bunch to deal with later!
4) Has mom officially been declared incompetent? If so, she CANNOT make that "decision" to gift, which is the ONLY way the POA could do the distribution. Children and POAs don't make that decision.
5) Is it possible for you to seek guardianship (if she isn't competent, she can't change/assign POA, but you *could* get guardianship, which would revoke any/all POA. Mom's assets can be used to pay for the attorney and court costs.
6) Does she have a prepaid burial plan to cover burial/cremation costs? If not, who is going to pay that?
7) As jacobsonbob says, if the "gifting" exceeds the Federal guidelines, y'all better hang on to some for the taxes you will have to pay!
8) If the funds are in a trust, there will ALSO be tax implications for taking it before TOD.
ALL of mom's assets should be left alone because:
There is no way to know how long she might live.
Depending on what her needs are, she might need all of the funds for her care.
IF she needs Medicaid within 5 years, she will get NOTHING until the NH is private-paid up to the total "gifted" (TAKEN.) Who is going to pay for that? You think they will??? HAH!
If she has no burial fund, money will be needed to cover those costs.
If she has any outstanding bills, money will be needed for those as well.
Best bet is to get a consult with an Elder Care attorney (most will give you ~30-60 minutes free first consult) and ask these questions. For the most part, besides the ethical and moral issues, the responses here are fairly consistent that this is a big NO-NO legally. Gifting would be mom's decision, IF she is competent, BUT a POA should still consider what is best/right to do and can override that. I would also inquire as to whether you could request an accounting of mom's assets, if you think anything is amiss.
If you don't feel you can take on the legal issues yourself (going for guardianship), I would at least call her bluff. Let her pay all the fees for taking you to court as a judge isn't likely to find in her favor (be sure to document mom's condition), and be sure to ask if POA is using mom's funds to bring this to court, which is ALSO wrong! The judge could make her pay back everything AND could order an audit to ensure she IS performing her POA duties properly (refer back to the legalzoom quote)! She's be in some deep doo-doo if she's pussyfooting with mom's assets.
There seems to be a lot of focus on whether your Mom will live more than five years. Are there enough assets to pay more than five years of care? That’s a lot of money. Maybe they are trying to get the “excess” out of her name in an attempt to shift to Medicaid after the five year lookback has passed?
If there isn’t that much money, clearly you wouldn’t want to cooperate in diverting money she needs for her care.
Did your Mom ever express any wishes in this area? Do you know where she fell on the continuum between “Don’t give everything to some nursing home, I want my money to go to ____.” and “I’d never want to be on welfare (i.e., Medicaid).”
If she wouldn’t want to be on Medicaid, rely on your conscience to follow her wishes.
That leaves the situation where there is more than enough money, AND your Mom expressed a wish to avoid spending all of her own money.
Only in the last case is there some argument for your stepsister’s approach. Does the POA allow for large “Medicaid planning” gifts? Relying on a family law attorney rather than one that specializes in elder law/medicaid doesn’t sound prudent. If you believe your Mom didn’t completely understand the differences in Medicaid care vs. private pay (location/privacy/amenities/...), you still may not want to cooperate.
Even if they have a legal “vehicle,” this is completely unethical and disturbing.
I'm sorry the step sisters are having money issues but if your mom wanted them to have the money in advance she would of told them that.
there is many things that pop up after a person dies and that money may be needed for things such as funeral, flowers, bills, etc. their inheritance comes after all of the issues have been cleared.
mom is the priority now not her money, shame on your step sisters..
Sorry for my rough response but tell them just that.
Yes it can be done but if that is needed for whatever reason it needs to stay right there.
Ask them what the would do if this was not an option? Then tell them it's not. Discussion closed.
It **CAN** probably be done, because anything can be done, but it is NOT what should be done. However this is NOT what a POA is assigned to do.
A POA has a financial duty to use the person's assets for their care and needs. A POA has ABSOLUTELY NO business even thinking of "gifting" or taking this woman's money before her death (and reminder to all who are not aware, POA capability dies with the person it is for.)
The mom isn't competent to make the decision to "gift" money, no one has ANY idea how long mom might live and if her assets are squandered and she needs Medicaid, she ain't getting it because of the 5 year lookback (several have said the "giftees" would have to give back... I don't think Medicaid chases people down for "gifted" monies, but what they WILL do is penalize the woman and until the NH is private-paid up to the total amount gifted, she gets nothing from Medicaid.
Also, if her medical costs exceed what she has left, there will be a penalty in getting Medicaid to take over. Since she has late stage Alzheimer's it's pretty clear that she cannot make a decision to give her money away - so whoever is in charge (or has the capability) of taking money out of her accounts is probably going to be accountable for just giving away her assets. Not a seat I'd want to be sitting in.
Even if mom has a will, NEVER does one "inherit" before the person's death!
The "determining" factors here are the assets are mom's, she is not competent, there should be NO gifting (aka taking) of her assets.
That was around, 1992, as Medicaid like to change the rules like some people change their sox. So I imagine the lookback is now about 5 years (or more)?
And 5 years is a very long time - should the need arise, Medicare will demand the monies back if they must step in with any assistance.
And we are NOT owed an inheritance. I don't know where that idea came from but no one is owed an inheritance from anyone.
When it is time for mom to leave although your heart will hurt. You would know you protected her and advocated to the end.
She took care of these step children. The money is hers to take care of her . That’s exactly how it should be used. I’d also start keeping receipts or paper trail if you spend anything for her care, grooming, doctors etc...Certified letters and Elder affairs attorney by Monday . God bless and May your mom have many good years .
I agree with Countymouse’s response...sounds logical.
If you know who this attorney is, give the attorney a call to state your objection and reason why. Or get yourself get yourself an elder law attorney to send them a letter explaining why gifting before death is not at all appropriate. Or file an objection in court.
AND as a reminder dad could have left money to his children, but he did not. He wanted to make sure his wife had what she may need, FIRST. as it should be.
At least your step-sister has let you in on her plans/hope to dip into mom's money. And as POA she could easily do this. But it's probably not legal to use this money for anything other than your mother's needs. (Some states do allow PoA's to make gifts from the owner's funds.) You and she have a major conflict of opinion and she seems to have a conflict of interest. But her obligation is to your mother, not to her sister. The first thing I'd do is contact Adult Protective Services or another state office with authority and ability to act quickly to prevent any transfer of your mother's money. Then I'd engage an attorney to ensure that your mother's money will be preserved for her future care, which may entail yourself being appointed your mother's guardian with authority over her assets. (This will annul the PoA.) Good luck. Too bad that this all has probably caused a family rift.